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Alright everyone. Is the second part of this correct? It seems to go against what was said earlier by a couple of people. I thought I understood it all but this seems to be different than what was previously said. A player is hitting his 3rd shot. The ball comes to rest not overhanging the hole, and is conceded. A gust of wind blows it into the hole before the player is able to pick up the ball. Is it a 3 or 4? I’m now clear on 13.3 and a ball over hanging the hole. Thanks

And that 10 seconds is required only because it is overhanging the hole, correct? If it was an inch away, quickly conceded, and then falls in its not considered holed?

Follow up question then. Let’s say my opponent is putting for 3. He misses and his ball is overhanging the cup but at rest. I quickly give a concession and then it falls in the cup? He cards a 4 because he misses his 3rd and I conceded the next? Or it’s a different ruling because it was overhanging the hole?

@Hawkeye77 can you elaborate on what you are referring to when you say “concession part already answered?” Are you agreeing with Schulzmc that if the ball rolled in the cup after the concession, but due to natural forces, it would have been a 3? Or are you @Augster that’s interesting that the rule differs if the ball is overhanging the hole or not. Not sure I’ve ever really thought much about it before this.

@caniac6 first it was issues with a new chief/food and now major issues with the course conditioning. I hope your owner can get it figured out and you all get your club headed back in the right direction!

2 part question regarding an incident that occurred during a fourball (2 man better ball) event. Player A/B are on a team playing against C/D. This all takes place on the green. It’s important to note the green has a pretty severe slope where the pin is. It’s not common but occasionally a ball will come to rest briefly and then roll a bit further. I’ve seen a putt or two miss high side and then take a revolution or two and fall back in the hole. (Terrible pin location but that’s not the point here.) Player A has an uphill putt for 3 from 7-8 feet. The ball goes past the hole about 6 inches, rolls back toward the hole an inch or two and then stops. As player A walks to the ball player C/D concede the putt. When player A sets his putter near/behind the ball to pick it up the ball starts moving again. The ball stopped short of the hole. A 4 was carded. The 4 didn’t matter. Player B and C both made 3, but it led to a discussion on the rules. Note, player A took a reasonable amount of time walking to pick up his ball. This isn’t a situation where he walked slowly or was standing there hoping it would move while counting 10 seconds or anything like that. 1. To my understanding, when a putt is conceded that hole is over for the player. So if the putt was conceded (during a brief moment when the ball was at rest) and then it rolled into the cup Player A still would have had to take a 4. Correct? 2. Let’s say the putt was not conceded and as Player A went to set a mark behind it the ball rolled into the hole. That would count as a 3, correct? 3. The other wrinkle to this discussion is when player A bent down to pick up the ball he set his putter maybe 4-5 inches behind the ball. That’s when the ball started moving again. Player D argued that the placement of the putter may have caused the movement. Player A disagreed, said he never addressed the golf ball and his putter was facing away from the hole. I've read over rules 9 and 13 but I’m not sure either really answered my questions.

No wait list but the 100k buy in was surprisingly high to me. They have an interesting model where they use resort profits to refund a certain percentage of the buy in for founding members.

Jealous. I reached out to Stevens Point twice this year about playing the week in was in the area and never heard back.

Depends on the club more than anything. Some are closed all day. Some are closed morning only. Some remain open.

@klebs01 I can get behind that thinking. And you’re right. With the exception of hole 2 there was plenty of room to go around the hazard. 15 I think their was room to go left but would have to look back and see. @collje26 what’s the predominant wind direction out there? It was out of the SW when I played and 12 was a beast of a hole! Definitely one of the more challenging par 5s I’ve played when you consider it’s pretty wide open and has no water. When did they cut down the fescue on the back 9? It looked different than most of the photos I have seen. I agree about the woodlands. Off the tee it’s more challenging because you can lose a ball on a lot of holes. I would probably play the links 7-3 or even 8-2 but it’s a great change of pace. I enjoyed getting out of the sun a bit for my second round of the day too.

A few days after playing Lawsonia and I am still trying to gather my thoughts on it. I think the course is good, really good. How I would stack it up to the handful of other top 100 places I’m not really sure though. It’s rightfully in there, but I can’t figure out where just yet. Highlights. The layout was a ton of fun and the land was much better than I expected. Walking onto 11 tee and seeing the entire back 9 laid out was a really cool “reveal”. 6-9 on the front was my favorite stretch of holes. I love the conditions and how they embraced firmer playing surfaces. The fairways with a bit of brown in them were great. Endless pin positions would help keep the course fresh if playing it frequently. The fescue/heather was for sure a penalty but in my limited experience it was findable and playable. I love how you could use some slopes around the greens to funnel balls to certain pin positions and run shots onto the green. I tend to play a higher ball but a couple of my playing partners used the slopes with great results. This is great for lower spin/trajectory players. The variety of par 3s were enjoyed. From running up a 4 iron on 10, hitting a short wedge on 14, the redan like 12th, and of course the boxcar hole. My biggest points of contention are actually around the bunkers. They forced players to think their way around the course but I kept asking myself “are these maybe a bit much?” I’m 100% a guy that believes bunkers should be penalties and not something players want to find themselves in around the green but some of these were over the top maybe. I was able to get out of all of them fine, and even got up and down twice but I don’t know. The thought was never, how much room do I have up there, where do I need to land it, or what’s this ball going to do when it’s on the green. The task was simply, swing hard and get out of here. On a couple of occasions they led to my playing partners picking up after a couple of whacks. I’m sure that’s not an uncommon thing. If we are going to criticize and talk about some of the cavernous Pete Dye bunkers as over the top, like at PGA West, these need to be discussed as well. It’s not just 1-2 that you have to avoid. It’s almost every hole. And plenty of greens has them on both sides and wrapping around towards the rear. I understand the course was built in a different time with different equipment and the ball didn’t fly as far. With that said, the placement of some bunkers made me scratch my head. On 2 you can create the blind shot with mounds and not need sand 130 yards off the tee. 6, 8, and 10 come to mind as similar bunkers. You can still obscure the landing zone without requiring a 130-160 yard carry from the tee box. I generally dislike hazards that only apply to weaker players. If someone hits it in there off the tee it felt too much like a double penalty. Especially considering the depth of the bunkers. The layout of the back 9 led to a bit of a shooting gallery at times. My group didn’t run into issues but it seems like I heard constant shouts of Fore! It looks like they may have eliminated some fescue between holes and that probably led to it being more of a problem but it definitely was. It was definitely a problem on 10, 12, and 14. I enjoyed the woodlands course as well. Nothing new or noteworthy but I agree it’s worth a play. I would be lying if a couple of times I wasn’t wishing I was on the links again though. The greens were m fantastic. Rolled true and fast. 2, 5, 10 were favorites. 3 was a dramatic par 3 but I think the green was a bit small and bunker too penal for the length of shot. Would work well from 120-140 but not as much from 175. (Maybe it generally plays shorter I don’t know.) Did they build a new green on 18 at some point? The one ticket away further right had 3-4 holes and the type of flags you would see on a putting green. Based on where #1 tee is I don’t see how it could have been used for that purpose though. Paid $190 for the day. Cant beat it for that price. The staff everywhere was great. The starter in particular, Joe, was an asset to the course.