nsxguy

Not sure exactly what you mean. Overhanging the hole - 10 seconds. And "inch away", to ME, says the ball is not overhanging the hole, and we're right back to your OP.

No, in this case the ball would be considered holed with that player's previous stroke as you did not allow him the 10 seconds to see if it would fall in. Reference Nelly Korda in the Solheim(?) Cup a few years ago.

You OK now ?

It was a practice swing in THIS case, but it doesn't have to be. It's moving the ball in play anywhere other than on the green or in the teeing area. He!!, even *I* can remember that.

Pedantic ? YOU are the one who said a "millionth of a millimeter". I just told you why that wouldn't matter. OK, so you tell me. How many millimeters in a "significant". The ruling bodies suggested the naked eye test, i.e. not a set distance, just "can a human see it with the naked eye. As for "zero effect", sure, in LOWRY'S case, you'd probably be right. What about when it moves 4 inches ? 4 feet ? 4 yards ?

How did this thread even continue after this ?

A millionth of a millimeter wouldn't be visible to the naked eye, which is part of the test.

I doubt you're actually being told that, but have you read your membership agreement/contract ?

Firstly, you know what Felix Unger said in court about when one assumes, yes ? Picture someone who hasn't read the board for a while and a thread with a lot of posts. While some people would ignore (most of ?) the new posts and skip to the end and post,,,,,,, whatever,,,,,, unlike those posters, I actually read all the older ones from the last time I saw the thread, to the end, and answer those I find interesting/wrong/challenging/whatever. Sound reasonable ? So, 3-4 rounds a week, once or twice a month, and an "impossible" one once a year, IN season. Sounds a bit unusual to me. I play twice a week year-round (with the occasional time off for good behavior LOL), so I'd guess we're close to even. I can't remember the last time I was IN a divot, never mind the "impossible" one. The ruling bodies made the game MUCH more forgiving AND fair 6+ years ago, much of it due to the cries of the population, removing loose impediments in PAs and bunkers being part of that, fixing anything on the green, etc. It's also no coincidence that the rules were made much easier to remember due to these same changes. NOBODY I know objected to any of it. The divot argument fires up multiple times a year with nobody on either side changing their mind. The chief sticking point is always "when is it a divot (hole)". The typical response ? "I know a divot when I see one". So, freshly made divot hole or almost invisible, you'll be having guys move the ball everywhere they can "get away with it". It's funny you said you were OK with "rub of the green" and in your previous paragraph, showed exactly the opposite. I will however, especially in this day of coaches challenges in darn near every sport, I am a bit intrigued by the "1 divot per round free relief idea". Hope this helps. Have a good one !!!

No sympathy here. You still live in a gorgeous city !!!

Yeah, I understood you. I guess I only quoted you because you were last in line not to mention what options a player would have; not so much about the rules issue.

Have you ever seen the Rule book for other sports ? The only real difference is all the other sports have officials at the event making all the calls, whereas in golf, the players are expected to know the Rules and, in most instances, apply them properly themselves. Average (most ?) golfers know very few rules and care not at all. Only about (roughly) 1 in 8 keep a handicap and presumably play BY the rules. The other 87% couldn't care less. But for golfers who play in "events", where they can be penalized or DQ'd whether they knew the rule or not ? They better know the rules AND the terminology. So, "pedantic" ? Maybe, but for very good reasons imo.

Why doesn't that surprise me ?

Not an analogous situation at all. Your dignity and self-esteem aside for "taking your medicine" aside, YOU hit a poor shot to a place you should NOT have hit it. The "divot in the fairway" guys, in the vast majority of circumstances, hit it right where they were supposed to. And no, I do NOT support free relief from divots.

Don't need dozens, but why don't you name 5 or 6 of them ? TIA