TheDeanAbides

You've outed yourself. I sincerely hope that nobody responds to you again here.

Never have I been more tempted to create a YouTube account just to extensively call someone out. Must resist.

Not just of that.

You know that I was kidding around, right?

I'm glad I'm not the only pedant here!

Well, spinach isn't green, it just reflects green light, and the Earth isn't exactly round, but now I'm being unnecessarily pedantic. No wonder I have no friends!

Again, nobody said everyone should swing like Adam Scott. Adam Scott is used as a model for someone with a very neutral swing (mostly). Scottie is world #1 because he has a repeatable action, elite game management, a great mental game and he makes more putts than he used to. You still don't teach his move to ams or say, "Yeah, it's fine for you to make that quirky move even though you can't break 90 cos Scottie also makes some quirky moves." It's just arguing for limitations and staying stuck.

Not true at all. Nobody on these forums suggests that there is only one way to swing a club. Show me where anyone has. What is suggested is that for the majority of players - especially those with obvious flaws that lead to them playing at best average golf - it's better to be in an acceptable range of motions. Some parts of the swing have more leeway for good golf than others, some are okay with certain matchups, and some are just plain bad because they require inefficient compensations.

Where did the goalposts go? Oh, you moved them.

There is merit to that, but he's still a tour pro, so he's better than almost everyone here. I do get your point, though.

Yeah, that's not a helpful photo at all.

We've been here so many times before, and this is the kind of post that gets people riled up and libel to post something that some would call 'dickish'. If you take measurable data and then say 'I see something else' even though it's measurably not true you're not having a different opinion, you're acting disingenuously at best and downright trolling at worst. This comes with the fallacious idea that every opinion has equal merit, which is nonsense.

It's such a good swing. I'd just do what Monte suggested, Joe.

Absolutely. Any motor skill can be improved upon with good instruction. There's nothing arcane or 'natural' about any of it.

For what it's worth, I'll add my experience of swinging faster over learning better mechanics. I grew up with Faldo as my idol. All I wanted to do was get my ball on the short stuff over and over again. He lost distance going to Leadbetter, but gained control. That was obvious pre Tiger. I have never hit the ball very far as a result of that, and even at my best I only ever carried it 260. My mechanics improved exponentially, but my distance didn't really change very much at all. I know that Faldo himself says that he wished he'd learnt differently, and now we always tells beginners to hit the ball as hard as they possibly can for exactly the reasons @virtuoso mentions.

There is that!

Most of the stuff Jackie Burke says is outdated and disproven. He's a dinosaur and irrelevant anywhere other than that anachronistic site.

Are you calling me personally a pathetic dick? I'm not sure how that's helpful in any other way than you being the forum police. Maybe you should consider thinking before you type.

I'm a visual learner too, so I completely get that. I like to know what the mechanics the visual is teaching me is though, so I can refer without getting to lost in ever changing feels. The mechanics keep me focused in the right direction and the feels integrate that.

Yes, there's a place for learning some holistic flow, but not at the expense of good mechanics. I'm pretty sure we agree on this.

Nobody taught you how to throw a baseball because you had athletic movement. If you didn't you'd look like some of the sorry attempts to throw you see everywhere and would have needed to be taught how to do it. This all comes back to that old issue of assuming that something one person has learnt and made unconscious is therefore 'natural', when it just feels natural to them.

Again, showing your complete lack of understanding. Not interrupting arm momentum is only relevant as a feel if your arms are already moving correctly. Not one single pro is leaving the arms like noodles. Their arms are very active. Sam Snead absolutely snotted the living crap out of the ball with incredible force. You don't hit it 300 yards without doing that.

Which is demonstrably nonsense.

Not heresy. Nonsense. Unsubstantiated nonsense. It's funny how these people talking about an effortless freeflowing swing without thought of mechanics tend to have good mechanics. I guess she got those naturally?