is your scoring average 72 or better ?

[Forged4ever]

[quote name='robbie91' timestamp='1394395379' post='8833307']
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[/quote]This has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, so please acept my apologies, however I had no idea that this icon was available.

You guys are great, though the coolest thing about WRX are the icons!

These are frickin amazing!!
I can't wait for someone to post somethin debatable, LMAO, I can still remain civil, and just post this--->

LMAO, I love this site

Have a great week Gents/Gals


Fairways & Greens My Friends

Later Ed: 03/08/14, 7:45pm- LMAO, I didn't even notice that it spins. Technology's amazing, lol RP II

[Conrad1953]

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1394398763' post='8833719']
[quote name='square' timestamp='1394397464' post='8833555']
I never wrote "only".
Obviously things like swing technique, putting skill, choosing smart lines of play, and much more can all lead to better scoring.
Having in the bag sensible clubs is one strategy, and certainly easier to achieve than some of the other methods.

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1394396002' post='8833387']
You are presuming that what you are stating is the ONLY way for people to shoot lower scores. :-)
[/quote]
[/quote]

Yes you did, and I quote: "My thread topic here is targeted [b]only[/b] at players who do want to shoot lower scores."

And, what are "sensible" clubs? What makes you the arbiter of what clubs are sensible and what clubs aren't?

For example, I have played UGI irons (ultra game improvement irons), and SGI (super game improvement irons). These are the most "sensible" irons in golf in terms of forgiveness. However, I found them to be anything but. I had much better success with less "forgiving", i.e., sensible irons.

Conventional wisdom also suggests that I would be better off playing a driver with a slightly closed face, however I need one with a slightly open face. Again, I am not being "sensible".

My apologies to you, but it annoys me when someone claims they know what is best for me when they have never met me, don't know me, and just make blanket assumptions about me.

Which is what you doing when you say: "My thread topic here is targeted [b]only[/b] at players who do want to shoot lower scores."
[/quote]


It takes a lot to rile you up. But, as usual, you said it in
a very nice way. (:-)

[Graymulligan]

[quote name='square' timestamp='1394393765' post='8833129']
My thread topic here is targeted only at players who do want to shoot lower scores.
[/quote]

So...everyone? Or do you guys hang out with a lot of guys who's goal it is to shoot higher scores?

[bladehunter]

I think that the "everyone " your referring to are more about having fun playing than worrying about getting 100% forgiveness for every mishit.
And as a side note ...If the theory that even 50% of the equation involving scoring includes club choice where to be true id go out tomorrow and drop $1500 on a whole new SGI bag and go out on tour next month...Aint gonna happen ....period... Its 50% mental, 40% swing and 10% equipment if that...

[square]

"Sensible clubs" are the ones which, from a variety of lies and weather conditions, produce the most playable shot results. I am not the "arbiter", only the player knows what results he gets from different clubs.
I never wrote that SGI or UGI irons were sensible , forgiving, or a good choice, for anyone.
I never wrote that a closed face (or open faced) driver was good or bad, for anyone.



[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1394398763' post='8833719']


Yes you did, and I quote: "My thread topic here is targeted [b]only[/b] at players who do want to shoot lower scores."

And, what are "sensible" clubs? What makes you the arbiter of what clubs are sensible and what clubs aren't?

For example, I have played UGI irons (ultra game improvement irons), and SGI (super game improvement irons). These are the most "sensible" irons in golf in terms of forgiveness. However, I found them to be anything but. I had much better success with less "forgiving", i.e., sensible irons.

Conventional wisdom also suggests that I would be better off playing a driver with a slightly closed face, however I need one with a slightly open face. Again, I am not being "sensible".

My apologies to you, but it annoys me when someone claims they know what is best for me when they have never met me, don't know me, and just make blanket assumptions about me.

Which is what you doing when you say: "My thread topic here is targeted [b]only[/b] at players who do want to shoot lower scores."
[/quote]

[square]

I started the thread to suggest, to anyone interested in shooting lower scores, that keeping an open mind about club head design types and shafts may be a good idea.
We see here threads started every day about one or another new type of club, whether it is a high loft or low loft driver, short shaft or long shaft driver, small head or big head driver, hybrid, big head iron, small head iron, low bounce wedge, high bounce wedge etc...
In response to the threads, it is common to read replies such as "don't have room for that in my bag" , or "my father-in-law plays that type club but it's not for me", or "no Tour guys plays that club" or "I've always played this or that type of club".
My point is, if your scoring average is 72 or worse, and you want to shoot lower scores, then why not be open to trying club types or shaft types-flexes, different from what you have been playing ?
If your scores are averaging 73 or higher then probably it would be helpful if you could strike the ball a little longer, or on a different trajectory, or with better accuracy, or get more consistently playable results from less than ideal lies, or have better short game control and touch. There may be club head designs , shaft material types, shaft lengths and flexes,which could help you shoot lower scores, but to find those clubs an open mind is needed.



[quote name='gavman07' timestamp='1394404264' post='8834509']
. I'm not sure why the topic was started, but I will give my .02.
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[square]

As the thread progressed there were replies suggesting that not "everyone" plays the game trying to shoot lower scores. So I clarified that my thread here was directed only at people who would like to shoot lower scores.
After giving it some thought, I do know plenty of people who do not particularly care what they shoot and have little or no desire to shoot lower scores. For example, I've played with long drive specialists who compete at long drive and when they play a course their predominant focus is the driver tee shot. And other guys just appreciate getting outside, not caring at all whether they make a 3 on a hole or an 8. And some guys like to wear the latest golf clothes to look well dressed on the course, keep clubs as new and shiny looking as possible, play prestigious course venues, and get satisfaction from all that rather than caring much about their 18 hole score. Of course golf is well known as a "social game", and many people just enjoy the camaraderie of being on the course with friends, or making new friends, considering the social aspect to be the point of the game more so than the scores which are shot. Here at Golfwrx buying new clubs is common, but I am not sure if purchases are made with the expectation of shooting lower scores, or if there are other reasons as well.
[quote name='Graymulligan' timestamp='1394412523' post='8835879']
[quote name='square' timestamp='1394393765' post='8833129']
My thread topic here is targeted only at players who do want to shoot lower scores.
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So...everyone? Or do you guys hang out with a lot of guys who's goal it is to shoot higher scores?
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[Sean2]

[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1394410086' post='8835505']
[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1394398763' post='8833719']
[quote name='square' timestamp='1394397464' post='8833555']
I never wrote "only".
Obviously things like swing technique, putting skill, choosing smart lines of play, and much more can all lead to better scoring.
Having in the bag sensible clubs is one strategy, and certainly easier to achieve than some of the other methods.

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1394396002' post='8833387']
You are presuming that what you are stating is the ONLY way for people to shoot lower scores. :-)
[/quote]
[/quote]

Yes you did, and I quote: "My thread topic here is targeted [b]only[/b] at players who do want to shoot lower scores."

And, what are "sensible" clubs? What makes you the arbiter of what clubs are sensible and what clubs aren't?

For example, I have played UGI irons (ultra game improvement irons), and SGI (super game improvement irons). These are the most "sensible" irons in golf in terms of forgiveness. However, I found them to be anything but. I had much better success with less "forgiving", i.e., sensible irons.

Conventional wisdom also suggests that I would be better off playing a driver with a slightly closed face, however I need one with a slightly open face. Again, I am not being "sensible".

My apologies to you, but it annoys me when someone claims they know what is best for me when they have never met me, don't know me, and just make blanket assumptions about me.

Which is what you doing when you say: "My thread topic here is targeted [b]only[/b] at players who do want to shoot lower scores."
[/quote]


It takes a lot to rile you up. But, as usual, you said it in
a very nice way. (:-)
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Thank you Conrad. :-)

[tdelam]

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[Sean2]

[quote name='square' timestamp='1394414170' post='8836159']
"Sensible clubs" are the ones which, from a variety of lies and weather conditions, produce the most playable shot results. I am not the "arbiter", only the player knows what results he gets from different clubs.
I never wrote that SGI or UGI irons were sensible , forgiving, or a good choice, for anyone.
I never wrote that a closed face (or open faced) driver was good or bad, for anyone.



[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1394398763' post='8833719']
Yes you did, and I quote: "My thread topic here is targeted [b]only[/b] at players who do want to shoot lower scores."

And, what are "sensible" clubs? What makes you the arbiter of what clubs are sensible and what clubs aren't?

For example, I have played UGI irons (ultra game improvement irons), and SGI (super game improvement irons). These are the most "sensible" irons in golf in terms of forgiveness. However, I found them to be anything but. I had much better success with less "forgiving", i.e., sensible irons.

Conventional wisdom also suggests that I would be better off playing a driver with a slightly closed face, however I need one with a slightly open face. Again, I am not being "sensible".

My apologies to you, but it annoys me when someone claims they know what is best for me when they have never met me, don't know me, and just make blanket assumptions about me.

Which is what you doing when you say: "My thread topic here is targeted [b]only[/b] at players who do want to shoot lower scores."
[/quote]
[/quote]

My apologies then, but that was certainly the implication in your original post., i.e., sensible = forgiveness.

As to your not being the arbiter, then perhaps a different thread title would have been more appropriate?

[See The Line]

LOUD NOISES!!

[Lenny Intensity]

No.

[square]

My original (first) post of this thread does not include the word "forgiveness". For golf equipment, I try to avoid using the word forgiveness because I think it can be a misleading or misunderstood word.Specifically, from my own experience playing some of Ping's large size iron designs, such as the Zing,2 and i15 models, which were marketed as "forgiving", I found the opposite to be true. And every 460CC driver I've ever swung is not as easy to square at impact as a smaller headed driver.When I play with guys I have known for years I observe similar type results from their games. That is, using certain clubs advertised as forgiving may produce less consistently good shots than their prior , supposedly less forgiving clubs.
One of the problems of the golf equipment industry today is that brands are using computers , and other technologically oriented equipment, to design and test golf clubs. In the design process, when the human (player) element is diminished that means significant factors such as ease of swing (swingability?) and playability off less than ideal lies is compromised. Sure, a computer can produce numbers that state ABC club suffers less distance loss off a mishit than XYZ club, but that does not factor in the real element of how easy the supposedly forgiving club is to swing and , or square at impact.
So, I believe many of the clubs advertised as forgiving are actually the opposite.And I encourage players to avoid looking at advertising slogans or Tour bags, but instead keep an open mind. Try different club head designs ,shafts, and shaft flexes. See which produces the most consistently good results (not indoors hooked up to a computer, but on a golf course playing holes and a variety of types of lies) and then make a sensible decision about what clubs to put in their golf bag.

[quote name='Sean2' timestamp='1394421458' post='8837203']


My apologies then, but that was certainly the implication in your original post., i.e., sensible = forgiveness.

As to your not being the arbiter, then perhaps a different thread title would have been more appropriate?
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[Hester65]

Feel is important; you have to like the sensation of impact and sound that is made. From there find which shaft will give you a chance to deliver the strikes you want to deliver on a consistent basis. You have to work at it and try things until you find what you want.

When you do, then it's time to pound the dirt. Actually, always pound the dirt. Play as much as you can. As the op stated, keep an open mind and keep trying to get better.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='HoosierHacker89' timestamp='1394401868' post='8834089']
[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1394400535' post='8833943']
The tread topic is ridiculous. I won't go into how it makes the OP appear. Reminds me of a friend I "use to" play golf with. He loved telling my how to play the shot, and what needed to tweaked, because he though his way was better. Yet, my lowest score is 68 and his couldn't break 88. Reason I no longer play golf with him... wannabe's...
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love this!
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How spelling and distractions go so well together.

[scjr]

I love lamp.

[Yellow Jacket]

You just don't understand. I may be a 15 HC but my short game is my weakness. I'm a good ballstriker, honestly, and I play better with blades!

[npham]

[quote name='Yellow Jacket' timestamp='1394474789' post='8840739']
You just don't understand. I may be a 15 HC but my short game is my weakness. I'm a good ballstriker, honestly, and I play better with blades!
[/quote]

Putting or pitching and chipping? I'd only buy this if are hitting 8-10 GIR, and making 35-45 putts. If you are a good ball striker, you would hitting lots of greens, and not need to worry about pitching and chipping.

[Mitchell]

The OP has a point that players should consider equipment outside of normal comfort zone to see possible effects on scoring. However, the general tone of post could be read as presumptuous and condescending, as such I do not predict a great deal of positive discourse arising from this thread.

[Mitchell]

[quote name='npham' timestamp='1394475635' post='8840817']
[quote name='Yellow Jacket' timestamp='1394474789' post='8840739']
You just don't understand. I may be a 15 HC but my short game is my weakness. I'm a good ballstriker, honestly, and I play better with blades!
[/quote]

Putting or pitching and chipping? I'd only buy this if are hitting 8-10 GIR, and making 35-45 putts. If you are a good ball striker, you would hitting lots of greens, and not need to worry about pitching and chipping.
[/quote]Sarcasm font was needed for Yellow Jacket's post!

[HiSpeed48]

[quote name='Mitchell' timestamp='1394475907' post='8840849']
The OP has a point that players should consider equipment outside of normal comfort zone to see possible effects on scoring. However, the general tone of post could be read as presumptuous and condescending, as such I do not predict a great deal of positive discourse arising from this thread.
[/quote]

This is how I read it too. I think the OP's advice is sound, but the thread title and tone are a bit off.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='Yellow Jacket' timestamp='1394474789' post='8840739']
You just don't understand. I may be a 15 HC but my short game is my weakness. I'm a good ballstriker, honestly, and I play better with blades!
[/quote]

Not to be argumentative or suggest I agree with the OP's position, nor am I challenging your choice in irons. What I am curious about is your ability to see your game honestly. Let me preface what I am about to say, by sharing I played private interclub match tournaments, even captained, over nine years, traveling all over SOCA to play against all levels of golfer, not to mention play 2-3 times per week.

I've heard a lot of 12-17 handi's say on the internet, what you said. You're a 15 and 'good' ball striker, but short game is holding you back. That suggests you're in the fairway often, yet 2nd shot is missing the green often, pressuring your wedges and putting, which neither is saving you, so you're a 15. Curious, how can you say you're a good ball striker if the ball isn't going where its intended? Also, how long you been playing, and at 15 handicap?

[Krt22]

I didnt realize shaft flexs were based on handicap, not swing speed. Should I get some R300s and senior flex driver shafts?

[square]

I don't know anything about swing speed. But I do know that to get reasonably good trajectory, distance, and accuracy , if a player finds himself needing to swing with too fast paced of a tempo, or exert too much effort, then a different shaft material or flex might be helpful.
One of the most underrated factors of golf equipment choices is the influence which shaft flex has on the type of swing a player makes.
Here at this forum, just about every day, a participant posts about going somewhere for a "fitting". I've never thought that standing in stall somewhere hitting balls makes much sense towards finding what shaft or club you like, but that's another story. Anyway, during the fitting a guy might be going at the ball with hard swings, and a computer reveals numbers which suggest an extra stiff shaft flex is a good match for that swing. So, the player is "fit" for an especially stiff shaft and from that point on he will need to continue to swing hard at the ball to get any kind of height or distance to his golf shots. The problem is that swinging with a lot of effort and or , going hard at the ball, does not work well for any kind of consistently good golf shot making or scoring.

[quote name='Krt22' timestamp='1394481638' post='8841585']
I didnt realize shaft flexs were based on handicap, not swing speed. Should I get some R300s and senior flex driver shafts?
[/quote]

[Balloon]

[quote name='square' timestamp='1394386723' post='8832359']
If your scoring average is above 72, then ....
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.... you are a tour professional. A 72 average will make more than 50 % of all cuts and will win some tournaments.

[Mizgoodie]

here is problem back in the 50's and 60's everyone was play shorter smaller heads and still the average golfer had a hard time breaking 100...... get off your idea is ground breaking the numbers don't lie average scores have stayed the same for a long time, equipment be damned

[Krt22]

[quote name='square' timestamp='1394483187' post='8841759']
. So, the player is "fit" for an especially stiff shaft and from that point on he will need to continue to swing hard at the ball to get any kind of height or distance to his golf shots. The problem is that swinging with a lot of effort and or , going hard at the ball, does not work well for any kind of consistently good golf shot making or scoring.

[quote name='Krt22' timestamp='1394481638' post='8841585']
I didnt realize shaft flexs were based on handicap, not swing speed. Should I get some R300s and senior flex driver shafts?
[/quote]
[/quote]

Having a repeatable swing is the bottom line, it's irrelevant how fast or slow it is. Playing a shaft that is too flexible also has down falls that can result in loss of distance, accuracy and poor trajectory.

[jnradioactive]

Are you saying the only thing holding every back from being scratch is just the equipment choices? Nothing to do with amount of practice or god given skill etc..?

[Pigems]

But what if your "Bag is Set" already?

[Krt22]

[quote name='jnradioactive' timestamp='1394485353' post='8842059']
Are you saying the only thing holding every back from being scratch is just the equipment choices? Nothing to do with amount of practice or god given skill etc..?
[/quote][quote name='Pigems' timestamp='1394486840' post='8842237']
But what if your "Bag is Set" already?
[/quote]

My paypal is locked and loaded, on the look out for SGI shovels, a 12 degree driver, sr flex shafts all around, and a case of rock-flites. I'll be killing courses in no time.