are you a feel player?

[live2golf14]

Playing by feel to me means that as soon as you hit the ball you know exactly how well you hit it; where you hit it on the club face and the flight path it will take. If you are a feel player, you hardly need to look up to see where the ball will go; you'll know its trajectory as soon as it leaves the club face.

I consider myself a feel player and have never used a range finder of any sorts. However, it's my opinion that equipment plays a HUGE role in playing by feel. Every player is different and requires different equipment to be able to become a feel player. Once you experience 'feel' playing it only opens doors to a new experience that is completely and utterly different from simply playing the game of golf. It took me nearly 10 years to experience it and it only happened very recently.

[BenHoganSlam1953]

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There's a story about Snead I read a while back. He was playing in a pro-am and one of the amateurs in the group would ask Snead what club he had hit on a shot or what club he was going to hit for a shot.

Snead finally had enough, and when the guy asked Snead what club he was going to use for his 150 yard shot he was preparing to hit, Snead dumped his bag out on the ground and snarled "pick one!".

If you can hit a 4, 5, 6, 7or 8 iron, or even a hybrid or 3 wood from 150 with some level of accuracy, you are feel player for sure.
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That is funny considering that Sam was known to always be looking into other player's bags to see what club they selected, especially if his ball was nearby. He would listen attentively when the other players would announce what they were hitting to the commentator. Players have wondered how many more tournaments and majors Sam might have won if he didn't have his club selection confidence problem.
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Don't all the pros do that?
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Ask Lee about "Dutch" Harrison - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjWLAnnCmmE&list=PL0RqY98Ogk88NjTiDYPDdWSCEsVjecvUE&index=8

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Feel is only possible if you hit a consistent spot on the face. If you don't hit the same spot consistently then you are seeing various distances from the various spots you hit on the face. ...so IMO feel is all about striking consistently more than anything.

I find a lot of people who don't really know their yardages, because they don't hit a consistent spot still think of themselves as feel players because that's all they can answer. Consistent mechanics = feel
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Proprioception is felt by every healthy human...every shot, subconsciously.

A shank, feels like sh^t.

A perfect shot has its own feeling, that no one can describe to another.

Isnt that what makes us obsessive about this game? what makes practicing addictive?

Ben Hogan said the greats learned by imitation and feel before they learned mechanics.

He didn't need to take a lesson or read a book about how to wipe his a^^ either.
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You don't know what proprioception is. What you're talking about is tactile perception. When you hit a ball in a certain spot of the face, that causes a varying amount of vibration. When you hit it on the sweet spot, the max amount of energy is transferred to the ball and thus the club doesn't have as much to vibrate in your hands. Couple this with the sound and you're now aware you pured it. When you miss the sweet spot by a decent margin, there's more energy left in the club, causing it to vibrate more, and this when combined with the sound is you being aware you did not flush it.

Proprioception is understanding the position your body is in and things around your body. Like if you're wearing a shirt, your body has receptors on the skin that become activated when you put the shirt on, because they're physically interacting with your skin. however since it's a constant stimulus it gets down-regulated so you don't feel that exact same perception while the shirt stays in the same position. that's why when people have surgery and there's damage to nerves, they'll be annoyed by clothes near the wounds, because they lost that ability to down-regulate for the time being and their body is freaking out thinking something is moving on the skin when it's not.

Another example of proprioception is the ability to balance yourself when blindfolded. Someone that has full vision can make up for a loss in proprioception in terms of their balance without any noticeable deficits. However when you cover their vision, it becomes apparent if there's a lesion in a proprioceptive pathway or not. It's just knowing what position your body is in.

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[*]The "exteroceptors" are the organs responsible for information from outside the body such as the eyes, ears, mouth, and skin. The [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interoceptor"]interoceptors[/url] then give information about the internal organs, [size=5]while "proprioception" is awareness of movement derived from muscular, tendon, and articular sources[/size]
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Looks that you don't have a clue about proprioception.
Why make up answers.

It takes 2 minutes to google it. don't waste your time and ours, please.

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Looks that you don't have a clue about proprioception.
Why make up answers.

It takes 2 minutes to google it. don't waste your time and ours, please.
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Awareness of movement. That doesn't mean how the strike feels. That's through touch, which isn't proprioception. Last time I'm going to try to help explain things to you.

From your link:

"[color=#252525]A major component of proprioception is [/color][b]joint position sense[/b][color=#252525] (JPS), which is determined by measuring the accuracy of joint–angle replication.[/color][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception#cite_note-10"][10][/url][/sup][color=#252525] Clinical aspects of joint position sense are measured in joint position matching tests that measure a subject's ability to detect an externally imposed passive movement, or the ability to reposition a joint to a predetermined position. These involve an individuals ability to perceive the position of a joint without the aid of vision."

"[/color][color=#252525]The initiation of proprioception is the activation of a proprioreceptor in the periphery.[/color][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprioception#cite_note-12"][12][/url][/sup][color=#252525] The proprioceptive sense is believed to be composed of information from [/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_neuron"]sensory neurons[/url][color=#252525] located in the [/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_(inner_ear)"]inner ear[/url][color=#252525] (motion and orientation) and in the [/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stretch_receptors"]stretch receptors[/url][color=#252525] located in the [/color][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_spindle"]muscles[/url][color=#252525] and the joint-supporting ligaments (stance). There are specific nerve receptors for this form of perception termed "proprioreceptors," just as there are specific receptors for pressure, light, temperature, sound, and other sensory experiences"[/color]

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Awareness of movement. That doesn't mean how the strike feels. That's through touch, which isn't proprioception. Last time I'm going to try to help explain things to you.


those of us with brains can remember the intention that initiated movement of ALL the muscles, tendons and articular sources
in our perfect golf swings.

If you know how to call upon that , you can repeat the movement precisely.. subconsciously, by Feel.

you cant explain what you yourself don't understand... go out and play.. with those fundamentals you have committed to conscious memory.

[Dan_E]

Jason Day's brain training device is all about this - engaging the bandwidth of the subconscious (and getting your conscious mind out of the way) before each shot. I'll try and find the link and I even called the company working on a consumer model last year (they're based in Brisbane I believe).

Very interesting stuff.

[Cmartingolf]

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Jason Day's brain training device is all about this - engaging the bandwidth of the subconscious (and getting your conscious mind out of the way) before each shot. I'll try and find the link and I even called the company working on a consumer model last year (they're based in Brisbane I believe).

Very interesting stuff.
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It's called the iFocusBand. I have one on order. I'm curious to use it. I know the developers who are in SoCal. The original model looks like you are wearing a salad bowl. The new version is slick enough to wear under your baseball cap.

As to the OP: everyone is a feel player. Through mechanics, one learns feel.

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As to the OP: everyone is a feel player. Through mechanics, one learns feel.
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I have been trying to become less of a feel player, and more of a visual player. I am trying to train myself to visualize the shot, and make my swing automatically (without conscious internal body part adjustment) create that shot.

I don't want to be a "feel" player. I don't play well when I am "feeling" a particular position, or body motion. I don't play well when I "feel" anything. For me, it is visualization and action.

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Jason Day's brain training device is all about this - engaging the bandwidth of the subconscious (and getting your conscious mind out of the way) before each shot. I'll try and find the link and I even called the company working on a consumer model last year (they're based in Brisbane I believe).

Very interesting stuff.
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It's called the iFocusBand. I have one on order. I'm curious to use it. I know the developers who are in SoCal. The original model looks like you are wearing a salad bowl. The new version is slick enough to wear under your baseball cap.

As to the OP: everyone is a feel player. Through mechanics, one learns feel.
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Don't see how looking at an EEG reading is going to help people focus better. EEGs have extremely low sensitivities(it will only identify 1/4 - 1/2 of people that are actively seizing for example) for a medical test for things like seizures which I would think would have a much more noticeable EEG change than a golfer being stressed/relaxed/anything they normally encounter while playing. Seems to me like the readings would be pretty insignificant in terms of a healthy mind and just looking for essentially mood differences. Cool in theory, not sure how the application will pan out.

[mikah]

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Jason Day's brain training device is all about this - engaging the bandwidth of the subconscious (and getting your conscious mind out of the way) before each shot. I'll try and find the link and I even called the company working on a consumer model last year (they're based in Brisbane I believe).

Very interesting stuff.
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It's called the iFocusBand. I have one on order. I'm curious to use it. I know the developers who are in SoCal. The original model looks like you are wearing a salad bowl. The new version is slick enough to wear under your baseball cap.

As to the OP: everyone is a feel player. Through mechanics, one learns feel.
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Martin

your bud, Mark Evershad seems to agree.. Nice endorsement for tourstriker too.
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