Confessions of Ignorance: Share your Confusion as a Rookie WRX'er

[Palauan Hammer]

Thanks guys! I'm going to give it 100%, I'll be right here hanging out with you guys every step of the way too. Thanks for the support guys I appreciate it!

[DeNinny]

OK Ham and all you hot foodies here is the final product from that recipe I posted earlier. I've added the amount of hot that I added (about 6 jalapenos and 3 habaneros) and I would consider it medium hot. This is "hot" off the presses. It may look like crap but it is yummmmmmmmy!!!

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[Palauan Hammer]

Look like my kinda of food Ninja!!! I really gotta make that soon, I've just started a whole new phase of this diet I've been on, trying to drop just 15 more pounds and I'll be in tip top shape, I do allow for a cheat meal once a week and THIS looks like the one, spice from the peppers, sweetness from the bell peppers, creaminess from the potatoes, and savory spice from the sausage!! Can't go wrong with that

[DeNinny]

[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1427953089' post='11266797']
Look like my kinda of food Ninja!!! I really gotta make that soon, I've just started a whole new phase of this diet I've been on, trying to drop just 15 more pounds and I'll be in tip top shape, I do allow for a cheat meal once a week and THIS looks like the one, spice from the peppers, sweetness from the bell peppers, creaminess from the potatoes, and savory spice from the sausage!! Can't go wrong with that
[/quote]

Man you make me want to go get seconds. Just be careful not to eat it before a tournament and DQ yourself due to ABO.

[Palauan Hammer]

Hahahahaha!! Yup wouldn't want to doo doo on the downswing and hit a literally sh*tty shot!

[Palauan Hammer]

The El Nino effect (not Sergio) is really kicking this year. It is much hotter than normal for this time of year, plus we were just skirted by another Typhoon, which eventually turned into a Super Typhoon. Looks like another one is brewing too! This is supposed to be the first month of "dry" season. In 19 years of living here I've NEVER seen typhoons during March. Kinda scary, global warming taking effect unfortunately.

[DeNinny]

[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1427956530' post='11266883']
The El Nino effect (not Sergio) is really kicking this year. It is much hotter than normal for this time of year, plus we were just skirted by another Typhoon, which eventually turned into a Super Typhoon. Looks like another one is brewing too! This is supposed to be the first month of "dry" season. In 19 years of living here I've NEVER seen typhoons during March. Kinda scary, global warming taking effect unfortunately.
[/quote]

Given the size of Guam that is very scary. The weather systems are chaotic mathematically. There are a lot of feedback loop math equations in weather systems so changing conditions will exacerbate themselves over time. The results are continually more severe weather patterns than the year before. We can only hope what is going on is part of a larger "normal" pattern at its peak, but if it is not, and we are going down a chaotic feedback loop, then the weather issues will get worse. Guaranteed. Tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, tsunamis, all get worse and worse as time goes by unless some "variable" returns the system back to stability.

[Conrad1953]

[quote name='scotee' timestamp='1427914251' post='11262997']
[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427912282' post='11262693']
[quote name='Qqq123xx' timestamp='1427908642' post='11262045']
Honor Blackman was p***y Galore. One of the hottest blond girls ever imo. And oldest at 37. Up until the new Bond movie coming out with the Italian bombshell Monica Bellucci, who is 50.
[/quote]

I'm older than I thought Q. Honor Blackman?? I don't remember that name
at all, lol. Geez, geezerland is upon me.
[/quote]

We were only 11 or 12 when Goldfinger came out. I was hitting my puberty stride but someone older than my mom was sure not on my radar either.
[/quote]

Is that how old we were scotee? I just remember we thought her name
was pretty bold......at least in those times. As young boys we were just
hoping for a glimpse of...........

And I was the youngest of 4 kids.....my mom was 30 when I was born.

I don't remember the year or how old I was but my biggest crush that
I can still remember of a movie girl that I had was of Hayley Mills in
"The Parent Trap". I had a BIG crush on her, lol.

I remember she was 14, I think, and older than me and I thought she
was so cool and cute, haha.

[Conrad1953]

[quote name='CDSchalch' timestamp='1427874694' post='11259335']
[quote name='Duffner's Waggle' timestamp='1415135349' post='10397183']
I guess I just assumed everybody else would be obsessed with fwy woods too, but believe it or not, that isn't the case.....
[/quote]

What's the story behind this?! Someone inform me. I've seen it mentioned a few times since I've been browsing the site... Lol a link would be nice!
[/quote]

I can't give you a link but go to Duff's profile page and click on his topics and
you should see some of his threads on FW's, lol.

[Conrad1953]

[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427958902' post='11266935']
[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1427956530' post='11266883']
The El Nino effect (not Sergio) is really kicking this year. It is much hotter than normal for this time of year, plus we were just skirted by another Typhoon, which eventually turned into a Super Typhoon. Looks like another one is brewing too! This is supposed to be the first month of "dry" season. In 19 years of living here I've NEVER seen typhoons during March. Kinda scary, global warming taking effect unfortunately.
[/quote]

Given the size of Guam that is very scary. The weather systems are chaotic mathematically. There are a lot of feedback loop math equations in weather systems so changing conditions will exacerbate themselves over time. The results are continually more severe weather patterns than the year before. We can only hope what is going on is part of a larger "normal" pattern at its peak, but if it is not, and we are going down a chaotic feedback loop, then the weather issues will get worse. Guaranteed. Tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, tsunamis, all get worse and worse as time goes by unless some "variable" returns the system back to stability.
[/quote]

We had one hurricane after another hit the gulf coast here in 2004
and 2005.....then quiet since. Has been quite stable....a variable must
have showed up......called the "Bermuda High" that sent all the canes
into the North Atlantic to die.

It was predicted in 2005 that we were entering an active hurricane
cycle similar to the 1950s......only, it hasn't happened. I don't think we
have enough recorded weather history to know if we're in a "cycle"
or not.

I think the worst snowstorm to ever hit NYC happened in the 1880s.
And I think the worst tornado outbreak happened in the 1970s. The
Weather Channel has become so full of drama it's hard to watch at
times. Some of the talent there have become "celebrities", lol.

[Reasonability]

Live in Guam and a typhoon gets you. Head to the Caribbean and its hurricanes. Live in the central US and its tornado alley. Southern Cal is one continuous earthquake. Our Canadian friends need a jackhammer to break through the ice for months on end. Ninja is in rain country. Hawaii is a volcano waiting to happen.

So here is what we need to do.... lets all hit the lottery. Then we can all jet from one paradise to another anytime mother nature develops a little case of ABO. Naturally we will have a James Bond car waiting for us at each destination. Maybe a Galore or two for good measure but Mrs. Reason might have something to say about that!

[Pigems]

Sign me up Reasy, I'm in brotha

[Palauan Hammer]

Sounds like a plan!!! I'll take a 1985 Aston Martin Vantage Volante please, and hopefully there's a golf course where we're going LOL

[Palauan Hammer]

[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427958902' post='11266935']
[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1427956530' post='11266883']
The El Nino effect (not Sergio) is really kicking this year. It is much hotter than normal for this time of year, plus we were just skirted by another Typhoon, which eventually turned into a Super Typhoon. Looks like another one is brewing too! This is supposed to be the first month of "dry" season. In 19 years of living here I've NEVER seen typhoons during March. Kinda scary, global warming taking effect unfortunately.
[/quote]

Given the size of Guam that is very scary. The weather systems are chaotic mathematically. There are a lot of feedback loop math equations in weather systems so changing conditions will exacerbate themselves over time. The results are continually more severe weather patterns than the year before. We can only hope what is going on is part of a larger "normal" pattern at its peak, but if it is not, and we are going down a chaotic feedback loop, then the weather issues will get worse. Guaranteed. Tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, tsunamis, all get worse and worse as time goes by unless some "variable" returns the system back to stability.
[/quote]

I sure hope it's a cycle that will eventually return to normal. I've watched the weather pattens slowly change year to year, most notably the inter tropical convergence zone where most of our weather here forms and happens. This zone shifts north toward us during "wet" season then shifts back south for "dry" season. Seems to me the ITCZ has been moving less or has expanded. The patterns and areas where most storms have formed had shifted way west of us, that why the Philippines has been getting slammed by storm after storm the last 5 years. So it look like this year the storms are forming a lot further south east than normal, putting Guam and a lot of other island groups that are normally not effected, in the "alley". So we have that here, and what seems like a longer than normal winter back there in the Northeast and Canada. Guess for the foreseeable future it's pick your poison with the weather. Also didn't California just come out of it's worst drought in history?? All these signs mean TIger is going to win the Masters LOL! His glutes are activated and ready to fire!

[Palauan Hammer]

[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427964270' post='11266999']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427958902' post='11266935']
[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1427956530' post='11266883']
The El Nino effect (not Sergio) is really kicking this year. It is much hotter than normal for this time of year, plus we were just skirted by another Typhoon, which eventually turned into a Super Typhoon. Looks like another one is brewing too! This is supposed to be the first month of "dry" season. In 19 years of living here I've NEVER seen typhoons during March. Kinda scary, global warming taking effect unfortunately.
[/quote]

Given the size of Guam that is very scary. The weather systems are chaotic mathematically. There are a lot of feedback loop math equations in weather systems so changing conditions will exacerbate themselves over time. The results are continually more severe weather patterns than the year before. We can only hope what is going on is part of a larger "normal" pattern at its peak, but if it is not, and we are going down a chaotic feedback loop, then the weather issues will get worse. Guaranteed. Tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, tsunamis, all get worse and worse as time goes by unless some "variable" returns the system back to stability.
[/quote]

We had one hurricane after another hit the gulf coast here in 2004
and 2005.....then quiet since. Has been quite stable....a variable must
have showed up......called the "Bermuda High" that sent all the canes
into the North Atlantic to die.

It was predicted in 2005 that we were entering an active hurricane
cycle similar to the 1950s......only, it hasn't happened. I don't think we
have enough recorded weather history to know if we're in a "cycle"
or not.

I think the worst snowstorm to ever hit NYC happened in the 1880s.
And I think the worst tornado outbreak happened in the 1970s. The
Weather Channel has become so full of drama it's hard to watch at
times. Some of the talent there have become "celebrities", lol.
[/quote]

I remember watching all of that on the news, that was a few years removed from our "big one" and I feel your pain. It's scary, and there's ALWAYS a huge huge mess to clean up afterward. Lets all just hope that these storms don't just keep getting stronger and stronger!! Less bad weather and more golf weather LOL!!

[Qqq123xx]

[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1428008548' post='11271395']
Sounds like a plan!!! I'll take a 1985 Aston Martin Vantage Volante please, and hopefully there's a golf course where we're going LOL
[/quote] I need someone to drive a four seater since I'll be in the back with a couple Italian bombshell's.

[Qqq123xx]

[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1428008548' post='11271395']
Sounds like a plan!!! I'll take a 1985 Aston Martin Vantage Volante please, and hopefully there's a golf course where we're going LOL
[/quote] Found a fellow Guamite over in the WITB section. Titled "Good enough for now...." If your the least bit curious.

[Palauan Hammer]

Thanks Q I'll have to check that out! And I'll drive btw LOL

[Qqq123xx]

[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1428013957' post='11271937']
Thanks Q I'll have to check that out! And I'll drive btw LOL
[/quote]No prob. And lol your the best !

[mdgboxx]

[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427762422' post='11249059']
[quote name='mdgboxx' timestamp='1427759689' post='11248705']
[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427693155' post='11243563']
So, is it true that the ONLY reason there are grooves on a club
is to channel away any water that happens to show up? Otherwise
grooves do nothing?
[/quote]

The grooves help a lot when you want to shred a ball.
[/quote]

My old Carbite wedges would shred a ball big time but man I hit a
30 yard pitch once that landed 20 feet past the hole and then spun
back for a tap in par save.

Since I got rid of those wedges I can't hit a shot like that, lol. Never
mind that it cost me a ProV1, LMAO, it looked SO COOL!!

I hit a bunker shot once with one that came out hot and landed about
3 feet above the hole and just stopped, like it landed in a pile of glue.
As soon as I hit it I thought my ball would end up 30 feet off the green.
When my ball just stopped I acted like I had planned it, lol. Ho hum, LMAO.

I bought the 52, 56 and 60 for $25 each from TGW. Best wedges I ever
had. I wish I had them now but the guy I gave them too lives 200 miles
away and I haven't seen him in a couple years. Maybe I should look on
Ebay. Hmmmm.
[/quote]

For the sake, and only the sake of complying, I ordered a set of Tour-S wedges. I could, easily have searched for another Tour-W, 54°10, SW. But I [u]had[/u] to comply [size=1](and show off)! [/size]

I'm not gonna say ALL, but Ping has been ahead of their time, on a lotta stuff. Which is why I went for the Glide wedges, as soon as I learned about them.

On a side note, I found out, just a few minutes ago, that my favorite driving range is open as of this morning. But, they only have the "mat" section available until mid April, and the short game area will remain closed until May. We don't expect any course opening until late April, as the ground froze too deep this winter.

[Palauan Hammer]

I agree about Ping MD. They always had some kinda "racy" designs for their time but the clubs worked! Plus I've never had a bad experience with Ping golf clubs. And those Glide wedges are tempting and more so the G30LS as I keep looking at drivers all day LOL!

That is some good news that spring has just about arrived, I does kinda suck hitting of mats but the grass will hopefully grow back in no time!!

[mdgboxx]

[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427736232' post='11245967']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427733455' post='11245645']
[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427698677' post='11243681']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427697636' post='11243659']
Theoretically the more angled the face, the more the grooves will matter. Driver - not so much. Wedges - significant.
[/quote]

D, what affects the spin more? Grooves or face texture? I'm guessing
face texture in normal lies. In the rough, I guess it's the grass texture, lol.
[/quote]
The answer to this is which feature provides more friction on the ball and the answer to that is based on how much the ball is going to compress against the club face.

As long as there is enough force to compress the ball then the grooves are going to dominate the forces of friction simply because they are deeper than the valleys of the face texture. A groove is still a form of face texture. It is just the deepest part of it. So long as a groove is present, then it is going to play a roll in the spin. The ball is going to compress against the face of whatever it contacts whether or not there is a groove present. So if a groove is present, then part of the ball surface will fill the groove as it compresses. The ball surface will also form fit against the face texture. But since the groove is present and it is deeper than the face texture valleys, it will provide the greater resistance to the friction on the ball. It is literally like a good and deep rockclimbing handhold to the ball's surface (the rock climber) and the face texture is like a smooth wall with very small handholds. Thus the ball surface will likely slip more without the grooves.

But that said, the grooves will be insignificant if the force on the ball is so weak that the surface of the ball does not "catch" on its edges, so in this case they won't matter. But this is not a likely scenario in the real world so it is a somewhat moot point.

Also if the compression forces are so great that face texture adequately prevents the ball from slipping, then grooves are not necessary but this doesn't mean they don't play a factor if they were present. It just means they weren't necessary for preventing slip. Such is the case with a driver face where there is high ball compression into a somewhat square face. There is so much force on the face texture in this case that the groove's added friction is not needed.

Now in the case when grass and water are present, the grooves have the other benefit of allowing space for this stuff to go so that it doesn't act as a lubricant between the ball surface and the face texture. So a groove is always important when there is a potential for the condition of grass and water to get in between the ball and face surfaces.

So in short the grooves are almost always necessary and important but they are less so when the face is more square and when there will be less grass and dirt involved. Such is the case with driver where you have the least amount of grooves and they are very shallow.
[/quote]

Thanks for the detailed answer bro.

Around the greens with short chips and pitches you see good players
often able to get some check spin. Usually they can use a 60 or 64
wedge and hit a low checker. I've done that from 30 yards or so with
my old wedges when I can catch the ball just right. It's a tough shot to
pull off and I marvel to see them do it from 10-15 yards from the hole.

It takes confidence to hit a shot like that knowing that if the ball doesn't
check it can roll 20-30 feet past the hole. It's the technique that needs
to be learned. The good players have good command of spin and
trajectory. Duffers like me chicken out and leave the ball 10 feet short
and miss the putt and make bogie, lol.

Anyway, back to grooves and texture. On short shots from close in
where you're [color=#0000ff][b][u]not compressing the ball, or very little,[/u][/b][/color] do you play a
little check shot or just a bump and run? What shot do you play when
you're short sided?

When you have a lot of green to work with you have options. When
you're short sided you pretty much have to play a check shot and that
is where I've been lacking with the 'set' wedges I've been using. I
need an aggressive grooved/milled wedge to have any chance with
that shot......and LOTS of practice.
[/quote]

My BiL asked about compression, a few years back.

I put masking tape on the face of his SW, and marked two balls with "permanent marker". I had him press one of the balls to the tape, holding it with his fingers. Then went outside and asked him to take a very smooth, ½-¾ swing at the other ball. The imprint was many times larger.

Remember the new Ping TR grooves on putters?

Rule of thumb: If there is any kind of shock absorption, there is, as minimal as it may be, compression. IMHO

[mdgboxx]

[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427771962' post='11250435']
[quote name='scotee' timestamp='1427770642' post='11250297']
If you want [s]cheating[/s] non-conforming.

Spin Doctor wedges http://www.spindoctorgolf.com/ReverseGrooveInserts.html

Vaseline on the face of the driver.

Foot wedges

Hole in your pocket to drop the "I found it ball"

Pencil with an eraser

[size=1]I have no personal experience but have heard reports[/size]
[/quote]

We USED to play with a guy that ALWAYS found his ball.
[/quote]

I played ONE ONLY round with one of those. He would always find his ball, even if it wasn't the same brand.

[Conrad1953]

[quote name='mdgboxx' timestamp='1428021312' post='11272783']
[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427771962' post='11250435']
[quote name='scotee' timestamp='1427770642' post='11250297']
If you want [s]cheating[/s] non-conforming.

Spin Doctor wedges http://www.spindoctorgolf.com/ReverseGrooveInserts.html

Vaseline on the face of the driver.

Foot wedges

Hole in your pocket to drop the "I found it ball"

Pencil with an eraser

[size=1]I have no personal experience but have heard reports[/size]
[/quote]

We USED to play with a guy that ALWAYS found his ball.
[/quote]

I played ONE ONLY round with one of those. He would always find his ball, even if it wasn't the same brand.
[/quote]

LOL,we use to joke about it going in the woods a Titleist and coming
out a Pinnacle.

If people are gonna do that they should play a ProV1 since ProV1s
are the easiest balls to find ....cause so many are lost.

[DeNinny]

[quote name='mdgboxx' timestamp='1428020369' post='11272663']
[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427736232' post='11245967']
Thanks for the detailed answer bro.

Around the greens with short chips and pitches you see good players
often able to get some check spin. Usually they can use a 60 or 64
wedge and hit a low checker. I've done that from 30 yards or so with
my old wedges when I can catch the ball just right. It's a tough shot to
pull off and I marvel to see them do it from 10-15 yards from the hole.

It takes confidence to hit a shot like that knowing that if the ball doesn't
check it can roll 20-30 feet past the hole. It's the technique that needs
to be learned. The good players have good command of spin and
trajectory. Duffers like me chicken out and leave the ball 10 feet short
and miss the putt and make bogie, lol.

Anyway, back to grooves and texture. On short shots from close in
where you're [color=#0000FF][b][u]not compressing the ball, or very little,[/u][/b][/color] do you play a
little check shot or just a bump and run? What shot do you play when
you're short sided?

When you have a lot of green to work with you have options. When
you're short sided you pretty much have to play a check shot and that
is where I've been lacking with the 'set' wedges I've been using. I
need an aggressive grooved/milled wedge to have any chance with
that shot......and LOTS of practice.
[/quote]

My BiL asked about compression, a few years back.

I put masking tape on the face of his SW, and marked two balls with "permanent marker". I had him press one of the balls to the tape, holding it with his fingers. Then went outside and asked him to take a very smooth, ½-¾ swing at the other ball. The imprint was many times larger.

Remember the new Ping TR grooves on putters?

Rule of thumb: If there is any kind of shock absorption, there is, as minimal as it may be, compression. IMHO
[/quote]

mdgboxx there's absolutely no IMHO needed in your last sentence. You are stating a scientific fact. The laws of physics (and chemistry) command that all objects undergo compression proportional to the amount of force applied to it. Mathematically and if the effects of gravity could be ignored, the only way that an object can have no compression is if it has infinite mass (like a black hole w/o gravity). Everything else has compression. This includes diamonds and rocks. The compression may be very small, but it is there and it is physically happening on some level. Guaranteed.

At the atomic level you have atoms or molecules held together with electron bonds. These bonds are not stiff. They can stretch, compress, and bend. By analogy they are like springs. This is true in the crystalline structure of a diamond and true in the more amorphous structure of polyurethane. So when two objects apply force upon each other, the atoms and molecules will compress under that force. The amount each object compresses depends upon things like its crystalline structure and the repulsive forces of its atoms. Each object (assuming each is a different material) will ultimately have a different amount of compression. At the macro scale, though, the math is the same. If you apply a force on an object, it will compress a specific distance. If you double the force, you will double the distance. If you keep the force the same but change the object material, the distance will be different.

In golf, the ball and the clubface undergo a collision (you call it shock absorption which is true too...semantics...). During that collision, no matter how small the force or velocity at impact, both of them compress. Obviously the ball compresses more, but that doesn't mean the face doesn't on some level.

[Conrad1953]

[quote name='mdgboxx' timestamp='1428020369' post='11272663']
[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427736232' post='11245967']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427733455' post='11245645']
[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427698677' post='11243681']
[quote name='DeNinny' timestamp='1427697636' post='11243659']
Theoretically the more angled the face, the more the grooves will matter. Driver - not so much. Wedges - significant.
[/quote]

D, what affects the spin more? Grooves or face texture? I'm guessing
face texture in normal lies. In the rough, I guess it's the grass texture, lol.
[/quote]
The answer to this is which feature provides more friction on the ball and the answer to that is based on how much the ball is going to compress against the club face.

As long as there is enough force to compress the ball then the grooves are going to dominate the forces of friction simply because they are deeper than the valleys of the face texture. A groove is still a form of face texture. It is just the deepest part of it. So long as a groove is present, then it is going to play a roll in the spin. The ball is going to compress against the face of whatever it contacts whether or not there is a groove present. So if a groove is present, then part of the ball surface will fill the groove as it compresses. The ball surface will also form fit against the face texture. But since the groove is present and it is deeper than the face texture valleys, it will provide the greater resistance to the friction on the ball. It is literally like a good and deep rockclimbing handhold to the ball's surface (the rock climber) and the face texture is like a smooth wall with very small handholds. Thus the ball surface will likely slip more without the grooves.

But that said, the grooves will be insignificant if the force on the ball is so weak that the surface of the ball does not "catch" on its edges, so in this case they won't matter. But this is not a likely scenario in the real world so it is a somewhat moot point.

Also if the compression forces are so great that face texture adequately prevents the ball from slipping, then grooves are not necessary but this doesn't mean they don't play a factor if they were present. It just means they weren't necessary for preventing slip. Such is the case with a driver face where there is high ball compression into a somewhat square face. There is so much force on the face texture in this case that the groove's added friction is not needed.

Now in the case when grass and water are present, the grooves have the other benefit of allowing space for this stuff to go so that it doesn't act as a lubricant between the ball surface and the face texture. So a groove is always important when there is a potential for the condition of grass and water to get in between the ball and face surfaces.

So in short the grooves are almost always necessary and important but they are less so when the face is more square and when there will be less grass and dirt involved. Such is the case with driver where you have the least amount of grooves and they are very shallow.
[/quote]

Thanks for the detailed answer bro.

Around the greens with short chips and pitches you see good players
often able to get some check spin. Usually they can use a 60 or 64
wedge and hit a low checker. I've done that from 30 yards or so with
my old wedges when I can catch the ball just right. It's a tough shot to
pull off and I marvel to see them do it from 10-15 yards from the hole.

It takes confidence to hit a shot like that knowing that if the ball doesn't
check it can roll 20-30 feet past the hole. It's the technique that needs
to be learned. The good players have good command of spin and
trajectory. Duffers like me chicken out and leave the ball 10 feet short
and miss the putt and make bogie, lol.

Anyway, back to grooves and texture. On short shots from close in
where you're [color=#0000ff][b][u]not compressing the ball, or very little,[/u][/b][/color] do you play a
little check shot or just a bump and run? What shot do you play when
you're short sided?

When you have a lot of green to work with you have options. When
you're short sided you pretty much have to play a check shot and that
is where I've been lacking with the 'set' wedges I've been using. I
need an aggressive grooved/milled wedge to have any chance with
that shot......and LOTS of practice.
[/quote]

My BiL asked about compression, a few years back.

I put masking tape on the face of his SW, and marked two balls with "permanent marker". I had him press one of the balls to the tape, holding it with his fingers. Then went outside and asked him to take a very smooth, ½-¾ swing at the other ball. The imprint was many times larger.

Remember the new Ping TR grooves on putters?

Rule of thumb: If there is any kind of shock absorption, there is, as minimal as it may be, compression. IMHO
[/quote]

I have no doubt about that mdg....but on very short ships and pitches
it's gonna be less.....and, of course, less forward momentum to contain.

It's a beautiful to thing to hit a chip and have it bounce once and then
check on the 2nd bounce and roll out a few feet. I would like to have that
shot in my bag!!

[Conrad1953]

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[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427762422' post='11249059']
[quote name='mdgboxx' timestamp='1427759689' post='11248705']
[quote name='Conrad1953' timestamp='1427693155' post='11243563']
So, is it true that the ONLY reason there are grooves on a club
is to channel away any water that happens to show up? Otherwise
grooves do nothing?
[/quote]

The grooves help a lot when you want to shred a ball.
[/quote]

My old Carbite wedges would shred a ball big time but man I hit a
30 yard pitch once that landed 20 feet past the hole and then spun
back for a tap in par save.

Since I got rid of those wedges I can't hit a shot like that, lol. Never
mind that it cost me a ProV1, LMAO, it looked SO COOL!!

I hit a bunker shot once with one that came out hot and landed about
3 feet above the hole and just stopped, like it landed in a pile of glue.
As soon as I hit it I thought my ball would end up 30 feet off the green.
When my ball just stopped I acted like I had planned it, lol. Ho hum, LMAO.

I bought the 52, 56 and 60 for $25 each from TGW. Best wedges I ever
had. I wish I had them now but the guy I gave them too lives 200 miles
away and I haven't seen him in a couple years. Maybe I should look on
Ebay. Hmmmm.
[/quote]

For the sake, and only the sake of complying, I ordered a set of Tour-S wedges. I could, easily have searched for another Tour-W, 54°10, SW. But I [u]had[/u] to comply [size=1](and show off)! [/size]

I'm not gonna say ALL, but Ping has been ahead of their time, on a lotta stuff. Which is why I went for the Glide wedges, as soon as I learned about them.

On a side note, I found out, just a few minutes ago, that my favorite driving range is open as of this morning. But, they only have the "mat" section available until mid April, and the short game area will remain closed until May. We don't expect any course opening until late April, as the ground froze too deep this winter.
[/quote]

It's funny mdg but I get this thing in my head that.....just in case....if
I ever do play in a tournament where I need conforming grooves I
want to be used to them.....even knowing that I'm likely not going
to play in any tournament cause I'm NOT HOME! most of the time
and don't have the game to play in tournaments if I was!

[Conrad1953]

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[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1428008548' post='11271395']
Sounds like a plan!!! I'll take a 1985 Aston Martin Vantage Volante please, and hopefully there's a golf course where we're going LOL
[/quote] I need someone to drive a four seater since I'll be in the back with a couple Italian bombshell's.
[/quote]

You gonna teach them about Plutonic relationships and they'll never
be the same. They will be RUINED for any other man!

[DeNinny]

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[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1427956530' post='11266883']
The El Nino effect (not Sergio) is really kicking this year. It is much hotter than normal for this time of year, plus we were just skirted by another Typhoon, which eventually turned into a Super Typhoon. Looks like another one is brewing too! This is supposed to be the first month of "dry" season. In 19 years of living here I've NEVER seen typhoons during March. Kinda scary, global warming taking effect unfortunately.
[/quote]

Given the size of Guam that is very scary. The weather systems are chaotic mathematically. There are a lot of feedback loop math equations in weather systems so changing conditions will exacerbate themselves over time. The results are continually more severe weather patterns than the year before. We can only hope what is going on is part of a larger "normal" pattern at its peak, but if it is not, and we are going down a chaotic feedback loop, then the weather issues will get worse. Guaranteed. Tornadoes, hurricanes, typhoons, tsunamis, all get worse and worse as time goes by unless some "variable" returns the system back to stability.
[/quote]

We had one hurricane after another hit the gulf coast here in 2004
and 2005.....then quiet since. Has been quite stable....a variable must
have showed up......called the "Bermuda High" that sent all the canes
into the North Atlantic to die.

It was predicted in 2005 that we were entering an active hurricane
cycle similar to the 1950s......only, it hasn't happened. I don't think we
have enough recorded weather history to know if we're in a "cycle"
or not.

I think the worst snowstorm to ever hit NYC happened in the 1880s.
And I think the worst tornado outbreak happened in the 1970s. The
Weather Channel has become so full of drama it's hard to watch at
times. Some of the talent there have become "celebrities", lol.
[/quote]

The frequency at which the weather events occur also needs to be considered. Also in a chaotic system not every "cycle" is exactly the same either, further complicating the interpretation of the already limited data. There's absolutely not enough recorded data. Not nearly enough.

[DeNinny]

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[quote name='Qqq123xx' timestamp='1428012443' post='11271799']
[quote name='Palauan Hammer' timestamp='1428008548' post='11271395']
Sounds like a plan!!! I'll take a 1985 Aston Martin Vantage Volante please, and hopefully there's a golf course where we're going LOL
[/quote] I need someone to drive a four seater since I'll be in the back with a couple Italian bombshell's.
[/quote]

You gonna teach them about Plutonic relationships and they'll never
be the same. They will be RUINED for any other man!
[/quote]

Welcome to deep space nine, baby!