Questions about the greatest of all time

[Shilgy]

[quote name='playa' timestamp='1418434083' post='10586123']
[quote name='Dave230' timestamp='1418387117' post='10582495']
For best peak, what about Bobby Jones? He dominated 1923-30, he beat everyone he came up against, only player to win the Grand Slam of his time. He won 7 pro majors and 6 amateur majors by age 28. He was also supposed to be one of the smoothest ball-strikers ever. And he had a personality that transcended golf.
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He was very racist in his views, so not sure how that sort of personality transcends anything. Also dominated very weak fields of rich white guys. You can't compare who he beat to the dedcated hungry pros who Hogan, Jack and Tiger dominated. Credit to him for beating who was out in front of him as that's all you can do, but you can't really say his majkrs were the same as later players.
[/quote]I understand what you are saying but would not call him racist in his views. I would call him a product of his environment which by today's standards would be considered racist probably. Semantics yes but fair. And his greatness is also a product of his environment. Yes he faced fewer great players just as Hogan faced fewer than did Jack and Jack faced fewer than Tiger. Just add the Montreal Canadians won many of their Stanley Cups when there were only six teams and the Yankees had easier roads to their World Series victories than teams so now.

[Guia]

I believe that the product of Jones environment made him a racist. However, never the less, still a racist.......doesn't make any difference why you are one.

I was born in the South, and am not a racist.

[tstephen]

[quote name='treyerikhayden' timestamp='1418240686' post='10573581']
The Tiger-Jack debate is the greatest career vs greatest player debate. It's like Elway vs Marino. Marino had more talent than anyone and lived up to it, but Elway got the rings... from '99 to '09, Tiger had to play the greatest golf that's ever been played. But Nicklaus knew his game better than anyone, and putted about as well as Tiger, stayed healthy, and as such had the greatest career of all-time. 56 top fives in the majors! WOW
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I like the Montana vs Rodgers debate and Jack played through his bad back issues and hip problems.

His consecutive majors played and top major twos will never be approached. He is the man!

[tstephen]

[quote name='LackOfFrigginTalent' timestamp='1418278751' post='10576965']
If they played each other in their primes, Tiger wins.
[/quote][quote name='LackOfFrigginTalent' timestamp='1418278751' post='10576965']
If they played each other in their primes, Tiger wins.
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2000 US Open Tiger at The 1965 Masters using the ball and equipment of that time?

You may want to give Jack a little more credit.

[tstephen]

So Monty just came out and said Rory is playing better than Tiger ever played.

This is the guy who got hammered on Saturday in the 1997 Masters and talked so highly of Tiger.

And a couple weeks back Rory had text that with 100 chances he doesn't sniff Jordan's 63 in Australia.

Therefore, this argument comes down to 18 > 0 or going back to Bobby Jones' impression of a young Jack.

[Guia]

Do you know there are tiny cats stalking you?

[Daniel Noonan]

[quote name='tstephen' timestamp='1418448952' post='10586867']
[quote name='LackOfFrigginTalent' timestamp='1418278751' post='10576965']
If they played each other in their primes, Tiger wins.
[/quote][quote name='LackOfFrigginTalent' timestamp='1418278751' post='10576965']
If they played each other in their primes, Tiger wins.
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2000 US Open Tiger at The 1965 Masters using the ball and equipment of that time?

You may want to give Jack a little more credit.
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That's like saying Jordan couldn't dunk in Chuck Taylor's