Diamana Series Shafts (Plus vs 2nd Generation and "W & B Series")

[Antnee94]

I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

 

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

 

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

 

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

 

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.

[storm3]

MRC stopped producing exclusive "made for" shafts in mid to late 2012 and replaced them with lines like the Diamana +Plus and Kuro Kage (essentially made for without the made for label/negative stigma). These lines have characteristics consistent with the previous "made for" offerings such as production in China vs Japan (cheaper labor) and lower modulus material (softer profiles and higher torque) when compared to the flagship Diamana lines.

With that said, "made for" or stock shafts are not necessarily bad. "Good" and "Bad" are defined by what fits a particular swing and what doesn't. Don't pay attention to cost, try as many shafts as you can and get what best fits your swing/feel preferences.

[smiley9929]

I've tried to figure this out on my own also and it's very confusing.

What storm says seems the most logical. There's no way Titleist is putting a $350 shaft in a $450 or $500 driver so I believe they are 'made for' without the 'made for' labels.

That being said, I play a 'made for' D+ 72 X in my 913 driver and prefer it over some premium shafts that I've also played in the same head, including a 'real' Speeder and a 'real' Whiteboard.

That also being said there is no way I will ever give up the 'real' Blueboard that I play in my fairway metal because it's a stellar shaft.

The way I've arrived at what I feel are 2 great shafts for me, personally, was trial and error. Good luck on your quest!

[Antnee94]

[quote name='storm319' timestamp='1419786495' post='10651161']
MRC stopped producing exclusive "made for" shafts in mid to late 2012 and replaced them with lines like the Diamana +Plus and Kuro Kage (essentially made for without the made for label/negative stigma). These lines have characteristics consistent with the previous "made for" offerings such as production in China vs Japan (cheaper labor) and lower modulus material (softer profiles and higher torque) when compared to the flagship Diamana lines.

With that said, "made for" or stock shafts are not necessarily bad. "Good" and "Bad" are defined by what fits a particular swing and what doesn't. Don't pay attention to cost, try as many shafts as you can and get what best fits your swing/feel preferences.
[/quote]

Thank you.

My problem is I'm trying to find a mid kick, mid launch shaft that is similar to the Rombax Type-X in the 75 gram range. I notice the higher kick shafts are just not right. For example, I play the D+ 62 in my driver which is a mid/high kick and low/mid launch.

In my FW I'm afraid to go for the $360 B series because the kick is mid/high. I just don't want to waste the money and have the shaft not work. The S+ 82 might be just a tad too heavy and might be more along the lines of the Rombax Type-X. No reason to switch except I wanna a change. I wouldn't be on these boards if I wasn't always looking for something better. LOL!

[J13]

No one wanted "made for" to be on the shaft anymore so they just stopped painting it on But honestly most people will not benefit from a stock premium offering to a aftermarket premium shaft. Instead people should get lessons

[Antnee94]

[quote name='smiley9929' timestamp='1419786854' post='10651187']
I've tried to figure this out on my own also and it's very confusing.

What storm says seems the most logical. There's no way Titleist is putting a $350 shaft in a $450 or $500 driver so I believe they are 'made for' without the 'made for' labels.

That being said, I play a 'made for' D+ 72 X in my 913 driver and prefer it over some premium shafts that I've also played in the same head, including a 'real' Speeder and a 'real' Whiteboard.

That also being said there is no way I will ever give up the 'real' Blueboard that I play in my fairway metal because it's a stellar shaft.

The way I've arrived at what I feel are 2 great shafts for me, personally, was trial and error. Good luck on your quest!
[/quote]

I'm right there with you. A stiff D+ 62 tipped half inch has been the best driver shaft for me ever. I've played it in my 913 and now the 915. So much so that I prefer last year's D+ 62 to the new version of the D60. I've tries the Original White Board in the 73S and lost yards. I've tried the Fujikura Fuel Tour Spec 60 and can't get it high enough. The Aldila RIP Alpha I spin too much. The Rombax Type X also works as good as the D+ 62 but I don't like the feel in the driver but love it in my 3 wood... Go figure.

I'm looking at the original blue boards on eBay, but cant find them in the 75 gram range for my FWs. I'm toying with the idea of the heavier eighty something gram version but know that will play stiffer. Even the 82 S+ might be suited for me and is probably the cheapest option. Maybe after the Christmas bills are paid off I put the B Series in and just pony up the money. It should feel similar to the Rombax Type X.

[Antnee94]

[quote name='J13' timestamp='1419787634' post='10651249']
No one wanted "made for" to be on the shaft anymore so they just stopped painting it on But honestly most people will not benefit from a stock premium offering to a aftermarket premium shaft. Instead people should get lessons
[/quote]

That might be true for a lot of people, I've seen the improvement happen with me by putting the Rombax Type X in my FWs. The problem, I have something that works and am just looking for something similar but different. What I should do is buy additional Rombax Type Xs while I still can and throw it in my new 3 wood head (Callaway X2 Hot).

[smiley9929]

[quote name='J13' timestamp='1419787634' post='10651249']
No one wanted "made for" to be on the shaft anymore so they just stopped painting it on But honestly most people will not benefit from a stock premium offering to a aftermarket premium shaft. Instead people should get lessons
[/quote]

Yes and most people can't break 100 for 18 holes.

Fortunately most people here on WRX can benefit from premium aftermarket shafts

[Antnee94]

[quote name='smiley9929' timestamp='1419792402' post='10651587']
[quote name='J13' timestamp='1419787634' post='10651249']
No one wanted "made for" to be on the shaft anymore so they just stopped painting it on But honestly most people will not benefit from a stock premium offering to a aftermarket premium shaft. Instead people should get lessons
[/quote]

Yes and most people can't break 100 for 18 holes.

Fortunately most people here on WRX can benefit from premium aftermarket shafts
[/quote]

We were all like that at one point in time. I don't think those people are on this site very often. I'm also investing money in lessons to get me to that next level. The last two years I've been able to break 10 and then go right back up to 11 or 12. I finished the season at 10.8.

[Bushwood Country Club]

[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.

[smiley9929]

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[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the new + series is 'made for' and the new 'real' series is W, R and B. I'm sure someone can verify.

[Antnee94]

[quote name='Bushwood Country Club' timestamp='1419800170' post='10652157']
[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.
[/quote]

They are the made for shafts without that written on the shaft? Not that the Titleist shafts aren't premium shafts. But there is a difference in the plus series as opposed to the original, 2nd Gen, and W/B series... correct. Apparently $75 worth of better material? That's what and why I'm asking.

There has to be a reason you can buy the plus series pulls on eBay for as little as $40-$65, but yet the original blue boards and whiteboards are still going for $80-$150. The new W/B Series are $350

[Russ757]

actually there are quite a few who use the + series (either generation)

just scroll through the witb page

[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/category/equipment/whats-in-the-bag-equipment/"]http://www.golfwrx.com/category/equipment/whats-in-the-bag-equipment/[/url]

[Russ757]

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[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.
[/quote]

They are the made for shafts without that written on the shaft? Not that the Titleist shafts aren't premium shafts. But there is a difference in the plus series as opposed to the original, 2nd Gen, and W/B series... correct. Apparently $75 worth of better material? That's what and why I'm asking.

There has to be a reason you can buy the plus series pulls on eBay for as little as $40-$65, but yet the original blue boards and whiteboards are still going for $80-$150. The new W/B Series are $350
[/quote]

the reason you can buy them cheap is the stigma attached.

Look, there is nothing anyone can say to change a viewpoint on this. You either A) think its a inferior made for shaft or B) you think its a name brand shaft that was designed for a company to be highlighted in their new releases [b][u]BUT[/u][/b] if purchased new would cost $275 and therefor cant be considered made for.

Whatever your viewpoint is, dont say its a bad shaft. Ive played $400 obans, $300 Fubukis, heck even had a one off no graphics TPHD (ya the $1000 one), the two best periods of golf have been with the D+ (first gen) and D+ (second gen).

you play what works for you.. or you continue trying to buy a game..

[smiley9929]

Once again more confusion.

Cameron Tringale is listed as using a Diamana S+ 70X but that shaft isn't listed on MRC's website at all.

McIlroy is listed as playing a Second Generation S+ 72X but that shaft isn't listed on MRC's website either. His shafts are known to be prototypes.

Rickie Fowler's driver shaft is listed as being a D-Series 73X which actually doesn't exist. The WITB photos are of an original Whiteboard.

Seems like they are deliberately trying to give the impression that what you buy in the store is what the pros are using but I have trouble believing that.

[storm3]

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[quote name='Bushwood Country Club' timestamp='1419800170' post='10652157']
[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the new + series is 'made for' and the new 'real' series is W, R and B. I'm sure someone can verify.
[/quote]

Correct. Below are the flagship Diamana lines that have been produced in Japan.

1st Gen Diamana 2nd Gen 3rd Gen
BlueBoard (S profile) kaili B Series
WhiteBoard (D profile) ahina W Series
Redboard (M profile) ilima R Series

The Diamana +Plus line are produced in China with lower modulus material just like the previous "made for" offerings were. Some models are closer to the flagship Japanese counterpart than others (D+ is closer to the W Series than the S+ is to the B Series).

[smiley9929]

Thank you for the information!

[storm3]

[quote name='smiley9929' timestamp='1419801869' post='10652271']
Once again more confusion.

Cameron Tringale is listed as using a Diamana S+ 70X but that shaft isn't listed on MRC's website at all.

McIlroy is listed as playing a Second Generation S+ 72X but that shaft isn't listed on MRC's website either. His shafts are known to be prototypes.

Rickie Fowler's driver shaft is listed as being a D-Series 73X which actually doesn't exist. The WITB photos are of an original Whiteboard.

Seems like they are deliberately trying to give the impression that what you buy in the store is what the pros are using but I have trouble believing that.
[/quote]

MRC has not updated their website with the 2nd gen Diamana +Plus line yet (only a press release so far). Give it time since these are still very new and only really available because they are stock options in a few drivers that were just released.

Rory does appear to have an S+ in his new Vapor Pro driver, but that is more than likely some tour only prototype that is nothing like the retail offering (just like the Kuro Kage prototype he was playing last year). The "D-Series" that Ricky plays is referring to the original Diamana Whiteboard. For some reason MRC renamed the original Diamana profiles a year or so before discontinuing the line.

[J13]

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[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the new + series is 'made for' and the new 'real' series is W, R and B. I'm sure someone can verify.
[/quote]

Correct. Below are the flagship Diamana lines that have been produced in Japan.

1st Gen Diamana 2nd Gen 3rd Gen
BlueBoard (S profile) kaili B Series
WhiteBoard (D profile) ahina W Series
Redboard (M profile) ilima R Series

The Diamana +Plus line are produced in China with lower modulus material just like the previous "made for" offerings were. Some models are closer to the flagship Japanese counterpart than others (D+ is closer to the W Series than the S+ is to the B Series).
[/quote]

SPOT ON

[Bushwood Country Club]

[quote name='smiley9929' timestamp='1419800520' post='10652179']
[quote name='Bushwood Country Club' timestamp='1419800170' post='10652157']
[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the new + series is 'made for' and the new 'real' series is W, R and B. I'm sure someone can verify.
[/quote]

The "+" series is from 2012/13. The "new" series of W,R, And B was released this year. The Ahina "ion" shaft was also released this year, I believe.

[Wooderson]

One thing that is overlooked is the materials and processes used in the original whiteboard/blueboard are probably cheaper and very commonplace. It is a 10-15 year old shaft? The new plus series may in fact use the same materials and processes as the OG just made in China.

I would be really interested in a comparison using Tom wishon shaft profile software.

[Wooderson]

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[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.
[/quote]

I'm pretty sure the new + series is 'made for' and the new 'real' series is W, R and B. I'm sure someone can verify.
[/quote]

The "+" series is from 2012/13. The "new" series of W,R, And B was released this year. The Ahina "ion" shaft was also released this year, I believe.
[/quote]

This years version is the second iteration of the + series

[Antnee94]

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[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
[/quote] I think your contact at PGS Superstore knows little of what he is talking about on this topic. The + series are the current iteration of the blue,white, and red boards. The fact that he would even use the term "knock off" is comical. Does anyone really think a company as large and successful as mitsubishi would purposely make an inferior shaft? Come on...

Titleist chose to put these in their clubs as a "stock shaft" because Titleist sells premium gear. If you feel compelled to spend more on a shaft, that's your call - and to each his own....but suggesting the + series shafts are not "premium" shafts is hogwash.
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I'm pretty sure the new + series is 'made for' and the new 'real' series is W, R and B. I'm sure someone can verify.
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The "+" series is from 2012/13. The "new" series of W,R, And B was released this year. The Ahina "ion" shaft was also released this year, I believe.
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This years version is the second iteration of the + series
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I notice on the Mitsubishi website they have not updated the specs yet on the new plus series. Or at the very least the graphics of the shaft.
If I'm not mistaken, the W/B series are the 2013 versions, the Ahini/Kali are the 2011 versions. The plus series also came out in 2013.

[pdaero]

Op - how do you like your D2/D+ 60 combo? I just ordered it and am really excited for it to come in. I had great feel and flight with that combo on the range.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1419779034' post='10650705']
I was talking to one of the guys in the PGA Tour Superstore who is very knowledgeable about shafts.

He mentioned that the Mitsubishi Diamana + series are knock off shafts (really mass produced). Considering they cost $275 new is that true. Should a mass produced shaft like the plus series command that price or are they better than normal "made for" shafts. Are they still better than stock shafts that come with clubs?

I'm asking because I put a Diamana S+ in my new Callaway X2 Hot and it just feels a little too whipy for me and the tip a little too soft. I'm used to playing a Fujikura Rombax Type X in my old 3 wood. I was trying to save money by purchasing an S+ pull, out of Titleist 913 3 wood.

Noticing the specs on the "B" series, they seem closer to my older Rombax Type X and will be firmer in the tip. The Ka'li looks a little lighter than I want.

Any thoughts. I'm trying to avoid spending $350 on the real "B" Series Blueboard. I haven't found what I wanted on eBay just yet for cheaper.
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What some OEM prices their aftermarket shafts at is up to them to determine. Wishing otherwise is a wasted wish... We consumers can only exercise our judgment by either buying or not buying. With that in mind, I still believe their Board series is their best to date.

If patient and look long enough, you can still find Blueboards for considerably less than what your quoting. I recently bought a new/uncut Diamana Kaili 80 Tour Issue for under $200 for my 3wd. Didn't like it, so I bought a new uncut x5ct BB for my 3wd, which was also under $200.

[SDL]

[quote name='storm319' timestamp='1419803411' post='10652369']

Correct. Below are the flagship Diamana lines that have been produced in Japan.

1st Gen Diamana 2nd Gen 3rd Gen
BlueBoard (S profile) kaili B Series
WhiteBoard (D profile) ahina W Series
Redboard (M profile) ilima R Series

The Diamana +Plus line are produced in China with lower modulus material just like the previous "made for" offerings were. Some models are closer to the flagship Japanese counterpart than others (D+ is closer to the W Series than the S+ is to the B Series).
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This info is very helpful! I have played the original BlueBoard 63 for many years, first in a stiff flex and now in a regular flex as my swing speed has dropped with age. I've tried the Kaili, but it was too stiff, and the B appears to be even stiffer - at least from the descriptions I have read. I've tried the original version of the S+ in a Titleist 913 and didn't like it quite as well as my old BB 63.

How does the new version of the S+ (the Blue 60) compare to the earlier version or to the classic BB 63? From the specs it appears to be a little lighter and to be higher torque in the R flex than the BB 63. So how does it play in actual use? Is it an improvement over the earlier S+ in any way?

Thanks!!!

SDL

[Antnee94]

[quote name='pdaero' timestamp='1419881122' post='10656141']
Op - how do you like your D2/D+ 60 combo? I just ordered it and am really excited for it to come in. I had great feel and flight with that combo on the range.
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Honestly, I don't. I moved my 913 D+ 62S into the 915 head. It's a mental thing honestly because the numbers are virtually identical. I just seem to like the feel of the other shaft and notice the dispersion is slightly better. It really is tiny and a mental thing. Everyone tells me the shafts are the same except this years model is a gram or two lighter. I even think it's the color. I'm just so used to seeing the black. I'm nuts... I know. But I wouldn't be in this site if I wasn't.

[Redhill]

I had a old old whiteboard stiff in a 3 wood and that mother was STIFF. It was in a 13* fairway head and that was a great club off the tee.

Recently had a driver with a D+ 72 Xstiff and that thing was a whippy noodle with no feel to it at all, very soft tip and soft to flex, felt like a regular.

I've left that manufacturer behind and not looking back.

[pdaero]

[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1421177068' post='10740381']
[quote name='pdaero' timestamp='1419881122' post='10656141']
Op - how do you like your D2/D+ 60 combo? I just ordered it and am really excited for it to come in. I had great feel and flight with that combo on the range.
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Honestly, I don't. I moved my 913 D+ 62S into the 915 head. It's a mental thing honestly because the numbers are virtually identical. I just seem to like the feel of the other shaft and notice the dispersion is slightly better. It really is tiny and a mental thing. Everyone tells me the shafts are the same except this years model is a gram or two lighter. I even think it's the color. I'm just so used to seeing the black. I'm nuts... I know. But I wouldn't be in this site if I wasn't.
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Thanks for the great comment! I never tried the D+ 62, so don't have it to compare against. I liked the smoothness and stability of this shaft, and it seemed to have noticeably less kick through the downswing than the Rogue Silver (I'm guessing stiffer mid-section).

[Antnee94]

[quote name='pdaero' timestamp='1421211389' post='10743667']
[quote name='Antnee94' timestamp='1421177068' post='10740381']
[quote name='pdaero' timestamp='1419881122' post='10656141']
Op - how do you like your D2/D+ 60 combo? I just ordered it and am really excited for it to come in. I had great feel and flight with that combo on the range.
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Honestly, I don't. I moved my 913 D+ 62S into the 915 head. It's a mental thing honestly because the numbers are virtually identical. I just seem to like the feel of the other shaft and notice the dispersion is slightly better. It really is tiny and a mental thing. Everyone tells me the shafts are the same except this years model is a gram or two lighter. I even think it's the color. I'm just so used to seeing the black. I'm nuts... I know. But I wouldn't be in this site if I wasn't.
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Thanks for the great comment! I never tried the D+ 62, so don't have it to compare against. I liked the smoothness and stability of this shaft, and it seemed to have noticeably less kick through the downswing than the Rogue Silver (I'm guessing stiffer mid-section).
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The D+ 62 was the shaft in my 913 D2. I still kept that even though I bought the 915 D2. This is now my 3rd Titleist Driver. I like all the different shaft combos. I have 5 of them. But that D+ 62 is the one that I always go to. Like I said... it's in my head because the shafts are virtually the same. The rep when I got fitted told me the D+62 will spin slightly more than the D60.

Here are my other shaft combos:
1. Aldila RIP Alpha 60 (from my 910 D2)
2. D+ 62 (from my 913 D2)
3. D60 (from the 915 D2)
4. Fujikura Rombax Type-X
5. Fujikura Fuel Tour Spec
My best numbers are with the Rombax Type X and the D+ 62... again virtually identical. Also virtually identical to the D60, but it's in my head with the feel... like I mentioned in above posts.