Mizuno H4 or J40 DPC?Looking at these two,,need your Opinions

[Lionstar]

I currently game the 2013 X Forged and love them. However, I feel I need a bit more sole on the iron to help with my trapping the ball. I've developed a very bad habit of flipping and cannot seem to correct it. Played a round with the I 20s and no problem hitting down on the ball and compressing it. Went back to the X Forged and within a few holes started flipping again.

Soooooo,, I'm seriously considering the above two iron sets because I want a forged feel,,not cast.

For those of you who have experience with both the H4s and the J40 DPCs what is your opinion on feel, distance, ball flight, forgiveness etc.? Thanks in advance for your help.

[Lionstar]

Bump. Anyone out there with experience with these two?

[Warrick]

Sorry, never hit the Bridgestone's, but do own a set of MP H4's. It is a great progressive set. although I think they did better thinning down the topline on the 5-P on the MP H5.

The H4's are great, pretty forgiving in the 3-7, but not an SGI. The 8-P are one piece mizuno forged scoring irons, and are not much bigger then MP 64's, definitely need to stirke these better. They definitely have a wider sole, not G25 wide.

I had the opposite issue, need less, so have moved to 54/64 and things are much better. These may be right up your alley, but am guessing you would prefer the looks of the H5, but they are almost double in price right now.

Good luck.

[Hidalgo]

I own a set of MP-H4s and they are superb. They take a bit of getting used to looking at the soles of the 3-5 irons but they are great clubs. They aren't in my bag right now but it's not through any fault of the clubs.

[Mr. Grumpy]

The DPC's are fantastic! I find them to be a tween type iron, a mix of GI and Player's. They have minimal offset, thin top line and the extra length of the heads snuggle nicely behind the ball inspiring confidence with every shot except the deep stuff. But, the thin sole manages to cut through just about anything and plays nicely with any lie condition. The feel is all forged and I am sure that you have heard just about every description and you can insert it here. I find them to be forgiving enough for my swing - that says a lot! Off center strikes don't punish you as much, but they also won't magically reward you either, again a tween characteristic. Where these clubs shine, IMHO, is in distance consistency. They are accurate to a fault... Mind you, they are not a distance iron, so don't look for them to add distance.

I would buy them agin.. Still thinking of picking up another set before they are gone as I prefer them over the new Bridgestone line.

[Johnny T]

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The DPC's are fantastic! I find them to be a tween type iron, a mix of GI and Player's. They have minimal offset, thin top line and the extra length of the heads snuggle nicely behind the ball inspiring confidence with every shot except the deep stuff. But, the thin sole manages to cut through just about anything and plays nicely with any lie condition. The feel is all forged and I am sure that you have heard just about every description and you can insert it here. I find them to be forgiving enough for my swing - that says a lot! Off center strikes don't punish you as much, but they also won't magically reward you either, again a tween characteristic. Where these clubs shine, IMHO, is in distance consistency. They are accurate to a fault... Mind you, they are not a distance iron, so don't look for them to add distance.

I would buy them agin.. Still thinking of picking up another set before they are gone as I prefer them over the new Bridgestone line.
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Well said. I played the DPCs for a couple of years. I felt they were more quite a bit more forgiving than they looked but I wouldn't go as far as to say they are very forgiving. I loved them....still do, even though I don't play them.


I've only demoed the H4s so my experience is very limited. As mentioned earlier, the long and mid irons have a pretty wide sole while the shorter irons are more of a traditional iron. They were pretty forgiving and I felt the long irons were definitely more forgiving than the DPCs.


I'm not sure the DPCs would really be a significant change over your '13 X-Forged (although I haven't hit the X-Forged). The H4s may be the ticket if forgiveness is your #1 characteristic.

[Lionstar]

Thanks for the replies. I have not seen the DPCs other than pics on the internet but have seen the H4s. I thought, maybe mistakenly, that the DPCs had a medium wide sole. As a matter of preference I don't think the H5 would be to my liking. I really prefer a true forged feel. Having said that, I am confused as to the exact construction of the H4s. Is the entire set forged? One piece?

[Warrick]

I keep this on notepad, get tired of looking back for it...lol.

H4 vs. H5 description

MP H4 -
2-4 Hybrid Long Irons: thin and high COR Grain Flow Forged 4135 face, neck, and sole. Low and deep COG for easy high launch and a seamless transition to mid irons.

5-7 Irons - Hybrid Mid Irons: Grain Flow Forged face and neck for medium COR and reduced hollowness that flows seamlessly to the scoring irons. The medium COG depth with higher MOI for greater forgiveness.

8-PW - Players 1/2 Cavity Design: One-piece Grain Flow Forged and shallow COG and moderate MOI for precise control and workability.

MP H5
1 Through 6 Irons
•Full, hollow design
•High COR maraging steel face
•Easy launch
•Long, consistent distance
7 Through PW
•Half hollow 1025E Grain Flow Forged design
•Easy launch
•Soft, solid feel

[Lionstar]

[quote name='Warrick' timestamp='1424444488' post='10991101']
I keep this on notepad, get tired of looking back for it...lol.

H4 vs. H5 description

MP H4 -
2-4 Hybrid Long Irons: thin and high COR Grain Flow Forged 4135 face, neck, and sole. Low and deep COG for easy high launch and a seamless transition to mid irons.

5-7 Irons - Hybrid Mid Irons: Grain Flow Forged face and neck for medium COR and reduced hollowness that flows seamlessly to the scoring irons. The medium COG depth with higher MOI for greater forgiveness.

8-PW - Players 1/2 Cavity Design: One-piece Grain Flow Forged and shallow COG and moderate MOI for precise control and workability.

MP H5
1 Through 6 Irons
•Full, hollow design
•High COR maraging steel face
•Easy launch
•Long, consistent distance
7 Through PW
•Half hollow 1025E Grain Flow Forged design
•Easy launch
•Soft, solid feel
[/quote]
Thanks Warrick for your help. Do you know if the H5 has the same feel as the H4? Is the H5 that much more better performing than the H4? I know there are other threads referencing this but it's difficult to read through the off topic comments. BTW,,I like your Avatar. Sergio may be controversial but he is one hell of a player.

[Warrick]

[quote name='Lionstar' timestamp='1424445099' post='10991171']
[quote name='Warrick' timestamp='1424444488' post='10991101']
I keep this on notepad, get tired of looking back for it...lol.

H4 vs. H5 description

MP H4 -
2-4 Hybrid Long Irons: thin and high COR Grain Flow Forged 4135 face, neck, and sole. Low and deep COG for easy high launch and a seamless transition to mid irons.

5-7 Irons - Hybrid Mid Irons: Grain Flow Forged face and neck for medium COR and reduced hollowness that flows seamlessly to the scoring irons. The medium COG depth with higher MOI for greater forgiveness.

8-PW - Players 1/2 Cavity Design: One-piece Grain Flow Forged and shallow COG and moderate MOI for precise control and workability.

MP H5
1 Through 6 Irons
•Full, hollow design
•High COR maraging steel face
•Easy launch
•Long, consistent distance
7 Through PW
•Half hollow 1025E Grain Flow Forged design
•Easy launch
•Soft, solid feel
[/quote]
Thanks Warrick for your help. Do you know if the H5 has the same feel as the H4? Is the H5 that much more better performing than the H4? I know there are other threads referencing this but it's difficult to read through the off topic comments. BTW,,I like your Avatar. Sergio may be controversial but he is one hell of a player.
[/quote]

Thanks! I inherited Sergio from Seve and Jose...lol. Yeah, I know he sticks the foot in on occassion, but I love his passion, charisma, and watching him hit the ball.

I feel ya on searching through all of the threads. At this time I only have 1 H5 club (5 iron), and I really can't tell much difference in distance/forgiveness/feel in the 5 iron (topline is a bit smaller on the H5). My guess is that through the 7, they will feel very similiar, then the H4's should be a bit softer the the H5 in the 8-P.

I do recall reading some threads on the H5's, there were a few comments about a flatter trajectory in the long irons. I do not remember anyone complaining about the feel in the H5 short irons, but they won't feel like a 54/64, maybe not evn the H4. Most complaints about feel on the recent Mizzy's, has been some on the hard feel of the 850 forged, but a lot like them also.

[Lionstar]

It's difficult when you get addicted to the forged feel. I don't want to have buyers remorse if I pull the trigger on the H4s or the DPCs,,as far as feel is concerned. Yeh Sergio is the player I hate to love,,but I always root for him,,especially in the majors.

[Warrick]

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It's difficult when you get addicted to the forged feel. I don't want to have buyers remorse if I pull the trigger on the H4s or the DPCs,,as far as feel is concerned. Yeh Sergio is the player I hate to love,,but I always root for him,,especially in the majors.
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I doubt you would regret the feel of the H4 personally.

My main set from 6-P is a 54/64 combo, and while they are not quite as soft as the 64's (what is?), really can;t tell the difference from the 54's in the long irons, and nothing in the set feels bad.

Hopefully someone will chime in who has played both sets.

[nmorton]

I have both the H4s and H5s. Can't go wrong with either. Overall the H4 long irons do feel somewhat softer, but the difference is so minimal. For me it's less the "feel" but more related to ball flight. The H5 entire set does produce a flatter trajectory or more more boring ball flight. The ball gets up quicker but just stays there. I'm a little longer with the H5s with the same spin. No issues stopping a 4 or 5 iron on the green. Great sticks. I personally believe the H5 line is one of the overall better sets out there in terms of looks and performance. Folks get caught up on the non-forged portion of the set, but it's really a non-issue. I play a full H5 set now and won't be changing anytime soon.

[Mr. Grumpy]

I actually don't think you could go wrong with either set, but Johnny is right in that the DPC's may not be that much different from your 13 X forged. The sole of the DPC is not blade thin, but also not GI wide.

[DTXgolfer12]

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Bump. Anyone out there with experience with these two?
[/quote]

I have hit both. They're very different clubs IMO. The H4's get very chunky in the long irons. The DPC's have a very long blade length but don't get overly chunky. I think you should probably decide which one of those you like the look of best. That will be the biggest difference between the two the looks. They're both decently forgiving clubs with nice feel. I'd say go with the DPC just because you can probably buy a new set right now for the same price as a used set of the h4's.

[cz13X4]

I think the h4 have a better profile at address, but the j40 feel better.

[Lionstar]

[quote name='Mr. Grumpy' timestamp='1424449617' post='10991731']
I actually don't think you could go wrong with either set, but Johnny is right in that the DPC's may not be that much different from your 13 X forged. The sole of the DPC is not blade thin, but also not GI wide.
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I'm not necessarily seeking a GI wide sole,,just more than the X Forged.

[Lionstar]

Which is why I an considering the DPCs. Again, I have to find a set to see in person unless someone can define the difference.

[tftimm]

Had Mizuno, switched to Bridgestone J36, back to Mizuno.

H4 all the way. Bridgestone's might be nice, but the H4's are SWEET!

[Krt22]

I have an H4/53/63 combo set as well as a set of J40 DPCs. The DPCs are longer heel to toe fur sure, but the sole is no where nearly as wide as the H4 long irons. Slightly wider than then 53 soles.

Feel with the J40s is very soft, but not exactly the same as the mizunos (at least the 53/63s). When you pure the mizuno it feels like the ball has melted into the face, the J40s are just a tad more crisp. Not sure if its actual feel or just sound. The H4s are still very soft despite the hollow construction.

For what its worth the J40s are currently in the bag.