Epon AF tour VS Personal 2

[chillr710]

Can anyone compare these two!? (First personals are UGLY)

I'm in love with my newly built 302's but I've always loved to have a set of blades on the side. The new 716mbs that are in Jimmy Walkers bag look awesome, but playing 302s I think

I'd like to stay with Epon.

 

Any feedback would be appreciated!

[needmoregolf]

both are awesome epon offerings, but one stands head and shoulders above the other, the personal 2's!!

first off, they're gorgeous in an almost unhittable way, but once you get over that, and decide to hit them, they start to become addicting to hit. they just have the most amazing dense feel, very unique to this particular club. looking down at address is sweet with the perfect thin top line and smallish blade profile, yet easy to hit - sets up amazingly to my eye.

had the af tours as my first epon set and really liked them, as they were easy to hit as blades, but they were to short on distance for me to really get on with them long term. great feel, beautiful look for sure, but just not even in the same class for me compared to this new personal 2.

Just my humble opinion, but if you're in the market for either, you'll be most happy if you go with the p2.

[chillr710]

[quote name='needmoregolf' timestamp='1430918586' post='11508999']
both are awesome epon offerings, but one stands head and shoulders above the other, the personal 2's!!

first off, they're gorgeous in an almost unhittable way, but once you get over that, and decide to hit them, they start to become addicting to hit. they just have the most amazing dense feel, very unique to this particular club. looking down at address is sweet with the perfect thin top line and smallish blade profile, yet easy to hit - sets up amazingly to my eye.

had the af tours as my first epon set and really liked them, as they were easy to hit as blades, but they were to short on distance for me to really get on with them long term. great feel, beautiful look for sure, but just not even in the same class for me compared to this new personal 2.

Just my humble opinion, but if you're in the market for either, you'll be most happy if you go with the p2.
[/quote]

Thanks for the response !
They do look really awesome dont they. I guess my only very very small gripe with them is the lack of stamping. Just something that stands out they are a set of Epons. Buy majority of people, especially here in Australia I have found have never even heard of Epons.

[chiromikey]

The lack of stamping is what makes them beautiful!!!

[Mob]

Personal 2 is the prettiest iron I have ever seen. I wish that they made them in left handed. I love the plain look; very classy.

[chillr710]

[quote name='chiromikey' timestamp='1430953787' post='11512835']
The lack of stamping is what makes them beautiful!!!
[/quote]

I do agree with this also. It's not really a big deal.
They do look sensation I'd love to hear from people who have a set or have hit them.

[jbird902]

I don't know I put the satin af tours in the bag this year with Attas tour 120's and I don't see anything kicking them out soon. I had them bent to match the newer lofts(46 pw) as I play a 50-54-58 setup and I love these things. I can't see any other blade being more forgiving. I am right on with my distances as well. No loss of distance here.. I've played a ton of jdm sets and these are the real deal. They are not going anywhere for a while. Btw my last set was af302's

[needmoregolf]

J, good to hear and great idea to get them bent a little strong to suit the distance factor. don't get me wrong, af tours are great, but seriously, the p2's in hand are something else.

I've owned 4 different epon sets (af tour, sus316, personals 1, personals 2) and when I've handed a club to a playing partner or even someone I've been randomly paired with during a round for inspection, I've always gotten the "beautiful set man" reaction, but the p2's elicit a different response -- mouth agape with the "were these forged by the hands of Zeus himself?" look, followed by a pronounced "WOW"

they're just in a different class all around, but you don't realize it till they're in your hands...think hypnotized :-|

[chillr710]

[quote name='needmoregolf' timestamp='1430972777' post='11514909']
J, good to hear and great idea to get them bent a little strong to suit the distance factor. don't get me wrong, af tours are great, but seriously, the p2's in hand are something else.

I've owned 4 different epon sets (af tour, sus316, personals 1, personals 2) and when I've handed a club to a playing partner or even someone I've been randomly paired with during a round for inspection, I've always gotten the "beautiful set man" reaction, but the p2's elicit a different response -- mouth agape with the "were these forged by the hands of Zeus himself?" look, followed by a pronounced "WOW"

they're just in a different class all around, but you don't realize it till they're in your hands...think hypnotized :-|
[/quote]

performance comparison between the p2's and af tours?

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='needmoregolf' timestamp='1430972777' post='11514909']
J, good to hear and great idea to get them bent a little strong to suit the distance factor. don't get me wrong, af tours are great, but seriously, the p2's in hand are something else.

I've owned 4 different epon sets (af tour, sus316, personals 1, personals 2) and when I've handed a club to a playing partner or even someone I've been randomly paired with during a round for inspection, I've always gotten the "beautiful set man" reaction, but the p2's elicit a different response -- mouth agape with the "were these forged by the hands of Zeus himself?" look, followed by a pronounced "WOW"

they're just in a different class all around, but you don't realize it till they're in your hands...think hypnotized :-|
[/quote]I shouldn't of read this!

[needmoregolf]

on the contrary, MJ, it's great that you read this, as now you will go find a set of p2's and be in love! lol

as for performance differences, I found both p1's and af tours to be short on distance but the p2's are much better in this dept, by at least half a club (assuming stock specs). feel is better too for me in the p2's.

af tour heads were a little bigger than I'd liked at address, so standing over the p2's is more confidence inspiring for me as it has such a perfect profile with thin topline and smallish size - less offset too, surprisingly

[Emthree]

[quote name='chillr710' timestamp='1430979852' post='11515109']
[quote name='needmoregolf' timestamp='1430972777' post='11514909']
J, good to hear and great idea to get them bent a little strong to suit the distance factor. don't get me wrong, af tours are great, but seriously, the p2's in hand are something else.

I've owned 4 different epon sets (af tour, sus316, personals 1, personals 2) and when I've handed a club to a playing partner or even someone I've been randomly paired with during a round for inspection, I've always gotten the "beautiful set man" reaction, but the p2's elicit a different response -- mouth agape with the "were these forged by the hands of Zeus himself?" look, followed by a pronounced "WOW"

they're just in a different class all around, but you don't realize it till they're in your hands...think hypnotized :-|
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performance comparison between the p2's and af tours?
[/quote]

They're identical as far as I could tell. Admittedly i only hit the p2s for half an hour.

[Bigmean]

I want to score an old beat up set of AF tours.

Is the offset really that bad in these? I have a set of macgregor vfoils that is becoming difficult for me to deal with at the range from the offset, which sucks because I like them a lot and they feel is right there with almost anything in a unique way. Of anyone has hit AF tours and vfoils that could compare that would be awesome.

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='needmoregolf' timestamp='1430995762' post='11515401']
on the contrary, MJ, it's great that you read this, as now you will go find a set of p2's and be in love! lol

as for performance differences, I found both p1's and af tours to be short on distance but the p2's are much better in this dept, by at least half a club (assuming stock specs). feel is better too for me in the p2's.

af tour heads were a little bigger than I'd liked at address, so standing over the p2's is more confidence inspiring for me as it has such a perfect profile with thin topline and smallish size - less offset too, surprisingly
[/quote]These are hard to find though

[Batman1971]

[quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1430997169' post='11515441']
I want to score an old beat up set of AF tours.

Is the offset really that bad in these? I have a set of macgregor vfoils that is becoming difficult for me to deal with at the range from the offset, which sucks because I like them a lot and they feel is right there with almost anything in a unique way. Of anyone has hit AF tours and vfoils that could compare that would be awesome.
[/quote]

I hit the AF Tours in Jan while I was visiting the States and I didn't mind the feel but I really didn't like the offset .
It just didn't suit my eye for a blade .
Very forgiving though .
Just not for me .
Haven't hit the P2s though .

[appilags]

[quote name='Batman1971' timestamp='1431033622' post='11518781'][quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1430997169' post='11515441']
I want to score an old beat up set of AF tours.

Is the offset really that bad in these? I have a set of macgregor vfoils that is becoming difficult for me to deal with at the range from the offset, which sucks because I like them a lot and they feel is right there with almost anything in a unique way. Of anyone has hit AF tours and vfoils that could compare that would be awesome.
[/quote]

I hit the AF Tours in Jan while I was visiting the States and I didn't mind the feel but I really didn't like the offset .
It just didn't suit my eye for a blade .
Very forgiving though .
Just not for me .
Haven't hit the P2s though .[/quote]

Please don't consider this as me disagreeing, as the fully framed view of a club is what forms the Eye's perception of offset. But a review of specs suggests that the AF-Tour have less offset than the P2 and that only the Miura Baby Blade (of Epon and Miura models) have less offset, oh, and the CB-501 PW.
CB57 offset specs not published on the Miura website.

[needmoregolf]

Epon offset specs are a little misleading from what I've gathered from other conversations. I go with what looks right to my eye, and from my experience, the af tours looked like they had more offset at address, and I found myself adjusting my club to make it more neutral...not a fan of that as it get me out of rhythm.

originally, when the p2's came out, the specs and the initial pics and everything surrounding the release of what was going to be a tall
order to beat out the popularity and success of the first personals, I was skeptical and disappointed. didn't like the way they looked, thought they would have some ugly goose neck, horribly offset, etc... then a couple of epon pioneers in these parts said, everything changes when you have them in hand. then I started hearing about the addictive feel at impact. then I started wanting to see for myself...and now I've got to agree and pass the same message on...everything comes together when they're in hand, seriously!

[chillr710]

[quote name='needmoregolf' timestamp='1431062254' post='11521123']
Epon offset specs are a little misleading from what I've gathered from other conversations. I go with what looks right to my eye, and from my experience, the af tours looked like they had more offset at address, and I found myself adjusting my club to make it more neutral...not a fan of that as it get me out of rhythm.

originally, when the p2's came out, the specs and the initial pics and everything surrounding the release of what was going to be a tall
order to beat out the popularity and success of the first personals, I was skeptical and disappointed. didn't like the way they looked, thought they would have some ugly goose neck, horribly offset, etc... then a couple of epon pioneers in these parts said, everything changes when you have them in hand. then I started hearing about the addictive feel at impact. then I started wanting to see for myself...and now I've got to agree and pass the same message on...everything comes together when they're in hand, seriously!
[/quote]

Any chance of doing your best job of uploading some images of a few irons at address?

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='appilags' timestamp='1431056366' post='11520861']
[quote name='Batman1971' timestamp='1431033622' post='11518781'][quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1430997169' post='11515441']
I want to score an old beat up set of AF tours.

Is the offset really that bad in these? I have a set of macgregor vfoils that is becoming difficult for me to deal with at the range from the offset, which sucks because I like them a lot and they feel is right there with almost anything in a unique way. Of anyone has hit AF tours and vfoils that could compare that would be awesome.
[/quote]

I hit the AF Tours in Jan while I was visiting the States and I didn't mind the feel but I really didn't like the offset .
It just didn't suit my eye for a blade .
Very forgiving though .
Just not for me .
Haven't hit the P2s though .[/quote]

Please don't consider this as me disagreeing, as the fully framed view of a club is what forms the Eye's perception of offset. But a review of specs suggests that the AF-Tour have less offset than the P2 and that only the Miura Baby Blade (of Epon and Miura models) have less offset, oh, and the CB-501 PW.
CB57 offset specs not published on the Miura website.
[/quote][attachment=2747753:image.jpg]

[kaaayelll]

There's no blowing smoke going on here. I briefly had a set which I picked up in perfect condition. The only reason I didn't keep them was because the shafts weren't right for me yet the build so good that I couldn't break them up in good conscience when I knew they'd suit someone perfectly. I have personally never been an Epon fan; I've found most of what I hit (502, 302, AF Tour) to be kind of dull, mushy soft and the offset just bothersome. The P2 are much different in both feel and address in a very good way. One day, I'll likely pick up another set.

Here are some picks I took to show my buddy he needed to have them. Of note as I look at them again, the shadows exacerbate the offset in the pics. Live, the chrome seems to have the opposite effect; the offset melts away. I think these are the prettiest irons I've even held.

[Batman1971]

[quote name='appilags' timestamp='1431056366' post='11520861']
[quote name='Batman1971' timestamp='1431033622' post='11518781'][quote name='Bigmean' timestamp='1430997169' post='11515441']
I want to score an old beat up set of AF tours.

Is the offset really that bad in these? I have a set of macgregor vfoils that is becoming difficult for me to deal with at the range from the offset, which sucks because I like them a lot and they feel is right there with almost anything in a unique way. Of anyone has hit AF tours and vfoils that could compare that would be awesome.
[/quote]

I hit the AF Tours in Jan while I was visiting the States and I didn't mind the feel but I really didn't like the offset .
It just didn't suit my eye for a blade .
Very forgiving though .
Just not for me .
Haven't hit the P2s though .[/quote]

Please don't consider this as me disagreeing, as the fully framed view of a club is what forms the Eye's perception of offset. But a review of specs suggests that the AF-Tour have less offset than the P2 and that only the Miura Baby Blade (of Epon and Miura models) have less offset, oh, and the CB-501 PW.
CB57 offset specs not published on the Miura website.
[/quote]

As I said Bud , they just didn't suit my eye .
I hit a number of irons that day both Miura and Epon . The best blades I hit were the Miura Baby Blade and the Miura MB001 .
They suited my eye !

[chiromikey]

Lol, almost 20 posts before the Miura talk starts in a purely Epon thread...not bad

The AF-Tours definitely had less visual offset than the P1s and I believe Epon specs confirm this. What kept me from pre-ordering the P2s was that the specs showed that they had even more offset than the P1s. However, from every review by those that did get the P2s, the printed offset specs just don't match up to what's going on visually. Spec wise I believe the P2s offset is closer to the 302s. What's strange is that (and up until now, I chalked it up to the copper finish on my 302s tricking my eye) the 302s at address appeared to have less offset than the P1s. I guess this just serves to remind me that there's more to an iron than specs alone.

Anyways, if the P2s do the job of hiding their offset as well as people are saying, I might just have to give them a shot...

[needmoregolf]

[quote name='kaaayelll' timestamp='1431089857' post='11522093']
There's no blowing smoke going on here. I briefly had a set which I picked up in perfect condition. The only reason I didn't keep them was because the shafts weren't right for me yet the build so good that I couldn't break them up in good conscience when I knew they'd suit someone perfectly. I have personally never been an Epon fan; I've found most of what I hit (502, 302, AF Tour) to be kind of dull, mushy soft and the offset just bothersome. The P2 are much different in both feel and address in a very good way. One day, I'll likely pick up another set.

Here are some picks I took to show my buddy he needed to have them. Of note as I look at them again, the shadows exacerbate the offset in the pics. Live, the chrome seems to have the opposite effect; the offset melts away. I think these are the prettiest irons I've even held.
[/quote]

I think that's the perfect term for it "melts away." Even though we know magicians are performing a trick on us visually, we still are in awe by how the "magic" has taken its effect on our perception. Case and point here...there's just something about how it all looks so great in your hands and at address.

[quote name='chiromikey' timestamp='1431102520' post='11523611']
Lol, almost 20 posts before the Miura talk starts in a purely Epon thread...not bad

The AF-Tours definitely had less visual offset than the P1s and I believe Epon specs confirm this. What kept me from pre-ordering the P2s was that the specs showed that they had even more offset than the P1s. However, from every review by those that did get the P2s, the printed offset specs just don't match up to what's going on visually. Spec wise I believe the P2s offset is closer to the 302s. What's strange is that (and up until now, I chalked it up to the copper finish on my 302s tricking my eye) the 302s at address appeared to have less offset than the P1s. I guess this just serves to remind me that there's more to an iron than specs alone.

Anyways, if the P2s do the job of hiding their offset as well as people are saying, I might just have to give them a shot...
[/quote]

I agree, chiro, more similar to 302's. I've never owned them but recently hit some and looking down at address was eerily similar. I'd say maybe topline is thinner on p2's and slightly smaller head, but if you like 302's, these should suit very nicely. The back portion of the clubhead is definitely the prettiest I've seen, and the minimal epon logo is a perfect complement.

You should definitely pick up a set, and if you don't like, send em off to Tokyo for our buddy, he'd know what to do with 'em

[chiromikey]

I just found a set and should have them shortly. Epon has never targeted the small group of us that want a hardcore player's blade but I will admit that the P2s are the best looking JDM iron I've seen in recent times.

[needmoregolf]

awesome, looking forward to your feedback! any idea what shafts are going in?

[chiromikey]

I've got so many ideas running through my head about shafts for these, from the Modus3 line to MCIs or Roddios...but I'll probably start with stiff flex Monacos since I have a set ready and I had them in my P1s. This way I can try to make a direct comparison.

[needmoregolf]

I've got modus 125 in mine which are nice, very much liking that shaft and the ball flight it gives, great feel too.

all the monacos I've had are in x flex but I've heard s is a different animal all together, and then they could go straight in for me! prolly a long shot, but IF those ever become unwanted, you know who to call

part of me has been wondering about graphite, with MCI and roddio i10's at the top of the list, maybe even quadra's, so if anyone has these shafted in a graphite shaft, please let us know your experience.

[CCC]

I dont think you can go wrong with any of them.
I have had all 3, dont have any now. Offset was the killer for me, in all of them.

My order of preference would be Tours! Then the P1 and lastly the P2
The Tours are the only ones I would consider getting again.

And needmoregolf, Monacos in X flex, you are a braver man than me.

[MJisGOAT]

[quote name='needmoregolf' timestamp='1431150956' post='11527299']
I've got modus 125 in mine which are nice, very much liking that shaft and the ball flight it gives, great feel too.

all the monacos I've had are in x flex but I've heard s is a different animal all together, and then they could go straight in for me! prolly a long shot, but IF those ever become unwanted, you know who to call

part of me has been wondering about graphite, with MCI and roddio i10's at the top of the list, maybe even quadra's, so if anyone has these shafted in a graphite shaft, please let us know your experience.
[/quote]125's are stellar, thinking they'd go good with the OnOff Kuros.

[jbird902]

I had a chance to check out the P2's. I would not switch from my AF Tours to these. To me AF tour is the best iron head Epon has ever put out..