Scott Stallings calls himself out for PEDs

[nova6868]

Seems silly to penalize him for DHEA, which isn't improving his performance in any way whatsoever. Then who knows how many people have medical exemptions for amphetamines, benzos, etc. just because they found some quack doctor to prescribe it.

[J13]

[quote name='HighSpeedScene' timestamp='1436361856' post='11909202']
Years ago I asked my doc about oral DHEA because I had a friend that swore it helped his stamina on long runs, and his answer told me everything I needed to know about it: the mind is the most powerful performance enhancer there is, and if you believe it helps, it will help.
[/quote]

Highspeed this is not geared at you just a general statement but this is where the problem is. You asked a doctor about a supplement in which they know nothing about. Doctors are darn near CLUELESS about anything that is not a pharmaceutical drug. At no time have they ever studied supplements, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, NADA. Doctors are NOT the people you want to ask about things like DHEA which is so useless you might as well take flinstone chewables to increase testosterone. The fact that a doctor told him to try it shows how clueless they are.

Scott Stallings is essentially serving a suspension for taking a supplement that is useless and shouldn't be on any ban list. Shame but ignorance like in VJ's case strikes again.

[LUMA]

He was also prescribed 25mg. Hardly enough to be considered a dosage capable of "enhancing" anything... but rules are rules; as crazy and unfortunate as they may be at times.

[nova6868]

There is some limited data for DHEA use in adrenal insufficiency, but actually the data is better for women than men. Still I could see how his physician might recommend trying it. Regardless, very doubtful that it's an actual PED. Pretty sure it just got thrown on the banned list back when everyone was taking androstenedione and all those other hormone precursors.

[Merlin50]

The doctor should know Stallings is an athlete and he should know that DHEA is related to anabolic agents. Either the doctor is really bad at his job or the story is BS.

[golfgirlrobin]

[quote name='DickieThon' timestamp='1436352102' post='11908624']
If he had a prescription, why wasn't there a medical use exception? Even baseball players are allowed to take stuff like HGH if there's a legit need for it
[/quote]

Because he didn't ask for one. There's a process and he never applied.

[Wooderson]

Check out @secrettourpro's Tweet: https://twitter.com/secrettourpro/status/618507735341121536?s=09

Interesting?

[John L.]

[quote name='Forged4ever' timestamp='1436308132' post='11906208']
I was kidding

I just wanted to be a total dbag and see how it felt, lol

It actually felt pretty good, lmao, but then I felt badly & guilty

He did the honorable thing and that's what separates this game/sport from all the rest-

Stay Well Gents,
Richard
[/quote]

Some days.........I have the devil on my left shoulder, and a angel on the right.

I gotta let the devil have his way some times or life would get pretty boring.

[Sixcat]

Rex Hoggard interviewed a medical doctor on Golf Channel who claim Stallings was prescribed 25mg of DHEA. This doctor said, in his medical opinion, that wouldn't be enough of a dosage to treat the fatigue issues much less give an athletic advantage.

Interesting to note, he passed a drug screen in March while on the medication.

[J13]

[quote name='Wooderson' timestamp='1436420342' post='11914892']
Check out @secrettourpro's Tweet: https://twitter.com/secrettourpro/status/618507735341121536?s=09

Interesting?
[/quote]

That would make more sense because this DHEA crap is nonsense.

[mrt99]

Interesting piece on Scott which goes into more detail about his suspension.

 

http://www.golf.com/...ension-pga-tour

[golfgirlrobin]

Interesting piece on Scott which goes into more detail about his suspension.

 

http://www.golf.com/...ension-pga-tour

 

Here's what I got from that:

 

Didn't get an actual diagnosis of low T.

Didn't get an actual prescription.

Didn't apply for a therapeutic exemption.

Was specifically told by the doctor to only take it if it was allowed by the doping policies.

Didn't bother to check list.

 

Having a hard time jumping on board his pity train.

 

[Sun Devil]

Hats off for him calling it on himself. I think if it was me my personal physician would have a list of banned substances and double check on it. Also I would have made double sure by checking with someone on the PGA medical board.

 

I'm not sure it is the MD's responsibility to check if it is a banned substance. If the MD is Scott's personal PAID physician .... I agree with you. That is Scott's sole responsibility and he blew it. How many times have we heard from athletes that they didn't know the PED was on the banned list. Same story. Different character.

[PinonMagnolia]

Do we really think anything you can buy at Walgreens is performance enhancing?

[b.helts]

Do we really think anything you can buy at Walgreens is performance enhancing?

 

Flinstones chewables have beta blockers. Makes you like stenson, Ice Man.

[mrt99]

Interesting piece on Scott which goes into more detail about his suspension.

 

http://www.golf.com/...ension-pga-tour

 

Here's what I got from that:

 

Didn't get an actual diagnosis of low T.

Didn't get an actual prescription.

Didn't apply for a therapeutic exemption.

Was specifically told by the doctor to only take it if it was allowed by the doping policies.

Didn't bother to check list.

 

Having a hard time jumping on board his pity train.

 

All true, but on the plus side for him, he self reported (and never tested positive for) taking a substance that, if the article is to be believed, the medical community would appear to think has little business being on the banned list...

[KirkNo-yes]

Interesting piece on Scott which goes into more detail about his suspension.

 

http://www.golf.com/...ension-pga-tour

 

Here's what I got from that:

 

Didn't get an actual diagnosis of low T.

Didn't get an actual prescription.

Didn't apply for a therapeutic exemption.

Was specifically told by the doctor to only take it if it was allowed by the doping policies.

Didn't bother to check list.

 

Having a hard time jumping on board his pity train.

 

And I don't think Scott would care that you don't have any pity for him. Coming from a period of my life where I faced the same debilitating symptoms as Scott did you get to a point where you don't give a $hit what is what and you just want to feel better. You don't think straight. your mind is foggy, depression is a few rungs UP the ladder. you literally don't know what end is up. It was only by the grace of God that an endocrinologist diagnosed me before I took anything stupid or illegal. My testosterone was 125, my TSH was 5.4 ( wifes was 2.4 and she only had half of a thyroid) and my adrenal system was severely suppressed. I was sitting in his office because another physician had diagnosed me with Hypothyroidism and I was dumbfounded as to how i could have it. I had 6% body fat, ran a sub 3hr marathon and had qualified for the world championships in triathlon. Thankfully he found the root of what it all was. I was diagnosed with Hemochromatosis. Iron over load disease. It was literally rusting all my organs in my body. It is the most underdiagnosed disease in the caucasian race. Most men don't find out they have it until their early 40's...I was 40 when diagnosed. I have both mutated genes so I will pass it down to my children. now that I know what i have and am able to manage it I feel 1000% better...but reading your response like you come from a position of superiority is seriously off putting. Coming from the bottom of the barrel I can assure you I would give two &%$^ about anyones pity.

[Forged4ever]

Interesting piece on Scott which goes into more detail about his suspension.

 

http://www.golf.com/...ension-pga-tour

 

Here's what I got from that:

 

Didn't get an actual diagnosis of low T.

Didn't get an actual prescription.

Didn't apply for a therapeutic exemption.

Was specifically told by the doctor to only take it if it was allowed by the doping policies.

Didn't bother to check list.

 

Having a hard time jumping on board his pity train.

 

And I don't think Scott would care that you don't have any pity for him. Coming from a period of my life where I faced the same debilitating symptoms as Scott did you get to a point where you don't give a $hit what is what and you just want to feel better. You don't think straight. your mind is foggy, depression is a few rungs UP the ladder. you literally don't know what end is up. It was only by the grace of God that an endocrinologist diagnosed me before I took anything stupid or illegal. My testosterone was 125, my TSH was 5.4 ( wifes was 2.4 and she only had half of a thyroid) and my adrenal system was severely suppressed. I was sitting in his office because another physician had diagnosed me with Hypothyroidism and I was dumbfounded as to how i could have it. I had 6% body fat, ran a sub 3hr marathon and had qualified for the world championships in triathlon. Thankfully he found the root of what it all was. I was diagnosed with Hemochromatosis. Iron over load disease. It was literally rusting all my organs in my body. It is the most underdiagnosed disease in the caucasian race. Most men don't find out they have it until their early 40's...I was 40 when diagnosed. I have both mutated genes so I will pass it down to my children. now that I know what i have and am able to manage it I feel 1000% better...but reading your response like you come from a position of superiority is seriously off putting. Coming from the bottom of the barrel I can assure you I would give two &%$^ about anyones pity.

The very best to ya going forward!!!

 

God Bless and Fairways & Greens 4ever My Friend,

Richard

[jimb6golf]

I think the point of the article was that once he realized that he done something wrong he willingly admitted it and was suspended. Then the PGA went on to publically admonish him while they hid DJ's cocaine use suspension. His point was it should be fair to everyone how they enforce the rules and identify rule breakers. Right now there's a different set of rules for the superstars. For that matter in any other sport wouldn't MIckleson have been suspended for being a detriment to the game for his insider trading?

[mrt99]

I think the point of the article was that once he realized that he done something wrong he willingly admitted it and was suspended. Then the PGA went on to publically admonish him while they hid DJ's cocaine use suspension. His point was it should be fair to everyone how they enforce the rules and identify rule breakers. Right now there's a different set of rules for the superstars.

 

Well, the PGA Tour was following the rules by going public in Scott's case and staying silent wrt DJ. If my recollection serves me correctly, the Tour drug policy requires silence in cases involving recreational drugs but disclosure in PED cases...

[golfgirlrobin]

I think the point of the article was that once he realized that he done something wrong he willingly admitted it and was suspended. Then the PGA went on to publically admonish him while they hid DJ's cocaine use suspension. His point was it should be fair to everyone how they enforce the rules and identify rule breakers. Right now there's a different set of rules for the superstars. For that matter in any other sport wouldn't MIckleson have been suspended for being a detriment to the game for his insider trading?

 

You call penalties on yourself in golf all the time, but it doesn't mean that the penalty gets waived. Thanks for being honest, it helps the game, but you're still going to get a penalty stroke.

 

I don't see the huge differences with the name players that people keep mentioning. There have only been a few suspensions and a hall of fame player was among them. In two of the cases you've got players who could have applied for an exemption and didn't bother. Saying you felt really badly and didn't want to wait is your choice but you have to recognize that you're a professional athlete and there are policies that govern your sport.

 

This "I thought the tour would have my back..." part is what bothers me. What were they supposed to do, no diagnosis, no prescription, not even an attempt to get an exemption and they were supposed to say never mind? They said right from the beginning that he had self reported so that people wouldn't think he'd had a bad test. I can't see what else they were supposed to do. Scott wanted a penalty waived and you can't run a testing program where you just say never mind. If you're worried about super stars being treated differently, then "having his back" is just the kind of thing you should be against.

 

They appear to be differentiating between PEDs and recreational drugs. The tour wants to emphasize treatment rather than punishment. You can argue whether that's a good idea or not, but it's not really the issue in this case.

[Forged4ever]

Interesting piece on Scott which goes into more detail about his suspension.

 

http://www.golf.com/...ension-pga-tour

 

Here's what I got from that:

 

Didn't get an actual diagnosis of low T.

Didn't get an actual prescription.

Didn't apply for a therapeutic exemption.

Was specifically told by the doctor to only take it if it was allowed by the doping policies.

Didn't bother to check list.

 

Having a hard time jumping on board his pity train.

 

And I don't think Scott would care that you don't have any pity for him. Coming from a period of my life where I faced the same debilitating symptoms as Scott did you get to a point where you don't give a $hit what is what and you just want to feel better. You don't think straight. your mind is foggy, depression is a few rungs UP the ladder. you literally don't know what end is up. It was only by the grace of God that an endocrinologist diagnosed me before I took anything stupid or illegal. My testosterone was 125, my TSH was 5.4 ( wifes was 2.4 and she only had half of a thyroid) and my adrenal system was severely suppressed. I was sitting in his office because another physician had diagnosed me with Hypothyroidism and I was dumbfounded as to how i could have it. I had 6% body fat, ran a sub 3hr marathon and had qualified for the world championships in triathlon. Thankfully he found the root of what it all was. I was diagnosed with Hemochromatosis. Iron over load disease. It was literally rusting all my organs in my body. It is the most underdiagnosed disease in the caucasian race. Most men don't find out they have it until their early 40's...I was 40 when diagnosed. I have both mutated genes so I will pass it down to my children. now that I know what i have and am able to manage it I feel 1000% better...but reading your response like you come from a position of superiority is seriously off putting. Coming from the bottom of the barrel I can assure you I would give two & #!%$^ about anyones pity.

I Am in no way speaking for Robin however I did not take her post that way though I am not directly or indirectly involved as you are however I've read a lot of her posts and while I might not always agree with her position, she voices it with Class and Dignity. I've never known her to take a position of arogance or superiority.

 

She's good people

 

All the Best,

RP

[agatha]

If he had a prescription, why wasn't there a medical use exception? Even baseball players are allowed to take stuff like HGH if there's a legit need for it

 

 

I am all too familiar with this condition as my son suffered immensely from it in college. The problem with the adrenal fatigue is that the medical community won't recognize it as a legitimate condition. Its a condition where your adrenal glands are not functioning well at all and then they occasionally crash which results in the extreme fatigue and the brain fog. My son's health provider described it as your adrenal glands are live a very full glass of water and if you add too much stress then it overflows and thats when you have the crash. I can tell you from personal experience it is awful. DHEA and cortisol might be the only way for someone dealing with this to get well. The tour will not allow a medical waiver for the substances. It's a very hard place to be in.

[rockinar]

Stupid that a doctor prescribed drug for a legitimate condition is even on the 'banned' list.

 

It wasn't a drug or a prescription. It was a supplement. It was DHEA. It's sold in every grocery store vitamin aisle.

 

 

This whole policy is stupid. Someone must be making a bunch of money on it somewhere down the line.

[KirkNo-yes]

Interesting piece on Scott which goes into more detail about his suspension.

 

http://www.golf.com/...ension-pga-tour

 

Here's what I got from that:

 

Didn't get an actual diagnosis of low T.

Didn't get an actual prescription.

Didn't apply for a therapeutic exemption.

Was specifically told by the doctor to only take it if it was allowed by the doping policies.

Didn't bother to check list.

 

Having a hard time jumping on board his pity train.

 

And I don't think Scott would care that you don't have any pity for him. Coming from a period of my life where I faced the same debilitating symptoms as Scott did you get to a point where you don't give a $hit what is what and you just want to feel better. You don't think straight. your mind is foggy, depression is a few rungs UP the ladder. you literally don't know what end is up. It was only by the grace of God that an endocrinologist diagnosed me before I took anything stupid or illegal. My testosterone was 125, my TSH was 5.4 ( wifes was 2.4 and she only had half of a thyroid) and my adrenal system was severely suppressed. I was sitting in his office because another physician had diagnosed me with Hypothyroidism and I was dumbfounded as to how i could have it. I had 6% body fat, ran a sub 3hr marathon and had qualified for the world championships in triathlon. Thankfully he found the root of what it all was. I was diagnosed with Hemochromatosis. Iron over load disease. It was literally rusting all my organs in my body. It is the most underdiagnosed disease in the caucasian race. Most men don't find out they have it until their early 40's...I was 40 when diagnosed. I have both mutated genes so I will pass it down to my children. now that I know what i have and am able to manage it I feel 1000% better...but reading your response like you come from a position of superiority is seriously off putting. Coming from the bottom of the barrel I can assure you I would give two & #!%$^ about anyones pity.

I Am in no way speaking for Robin however I did not take her post that way though I am not directly or indirectly involved as you are however I've read a lot of her posts and while I might not always agree with her position, she voices it with Class and Dignity. I've never known her to take a position of arogance or superiority.

 

She's good people

 

All the Best,

RP

 

I understand and honestly my response was mostly to a lot of people on the board to seem to "know" what happened and ridicule his decision making. Unless you have been thru this you absolutely cannot understand how F'd up your logic and thinking becomes. I am not going to give a science lesson here but your brain doesn't work properly. I agree that his decision making makes you scratch your head and say "come on man" but my reaction was in response to the listing out the bullet points and then saying from a position of "I would have been smarter in your position because of x,y and z". I got to a point where crying every day was not uncommon. FOR NO REASON. you can literally feel your body shutting down and struggling to work. You will NOT make rational decisions. I completely understand how athletes get to a point where they dope. I was tested about every 6 weeks for PED's at one point so i knew there was no chance I could do anything. Don't think for one second I didn't consider it...I would say just enough to feel better, just until I am healthy. Thankfully I never took that leap because I live with that fear of ME being the guy caught. It's why I didn't do drugs as a kid..I knew my stuff would be laced or have sex young, I would be the guy with a hole in the condom. My point here is everyone is assuming that he was thinking clearly like he went to the doctor and it was a cold. I have seen athletes have this and Doctors had NO CLUE what they were dealing with. It is not something most physicians see so they misdiagnose or recommend "rest". good Lord, If I heard that one more time I wanted to smack the $hit out of them. Anyway, I just want people to consider the fact that this wasn't something that is just a quick fix or take a few weeks off and you will be ok. As for the whole being thrown under the bus by the tour...Always assume the worst will happen and hope for the best but never assume anyone has your back. ever. especially a corporation. I do find it odd the tour has what seems a sliding scale when it comes to penalties and punishments but it is what it is so he has to live with the consequences. But I will bet a lot of money as he was "in the trenches" fighting this he didn't give a flying f&^* about anything other than feeling healthy and not crumpled in a ball on the floor balling your eyes out and NOT knowing why. have a good one.

 

KN

[hbear]

It's not that hard, millions of other athletes in many sports across all elite levels don't seem to have much issue determining what is allowed and what isn't. Christ WADA has a dedicated hotline in which you can query as well.

 

As for TUE, that is only given on a case by case basis depending upon condition and if there is a non-prohibited alternative available. Sure there are some strange legacy drugs that are still banned, but it is made VERY clear to the athletes (they have to sit through an anti doping information session) how to best ensure they aren't inadvertently taking something they are not allowed to.

 

Like I said, not that hard to ensure you are clean.

[kekoa]

Hold up. Whose this Scott Stallings? ;)

[slimeone]

Looks like a case of the old "well-meaning GP prescribed medication for a serious medical condition" excuse, followed by the "self-reported as soon as I realized" AKA "I got flagged and made a deal with the PGA to help them protect their image and keep my sponsors happy" excuse.

[Petunia Sprinkle]

All I can say is don't mix Viagra and Red Bull.

 

And don't mix it with an iron supplement, either, or you'll be pointing north for the next four hours. (Take with plenty of water and avoid a stiff neck. Yeah, I'm 5.)