Looking to make pin sheets for my home course

[BSB]

Hi Everybody!

 

I am thinking about making pin sheets for my home course mostly so me and my buddies have something else to BS about before/during/after the round.

 

Has anybody done this before or have any advice or resources for this? I would like to come up with something that looks professional and actually takes into place the shape of individual greens and not just representing each green with a circle.

 

Any help/advice would be appreciated.

 

Thanks!

[D0ch0l1d4y]

Hi Everybody!

 

I am thinking about making pin sheets for my home course mostly so me and my buddies have something else to BS about before/during/after the round.

 

Has anybody done this before or have any advice or resources for this? I would like to come up with something that looks professional and actually takes into place the shape of individual greens and not just representing each green with a circle.

 

Any help/advice would be appreciated.

 

Thanks!

 

It's tedious but can be done. I did it for a golf course I was going to play a tournament, but hadn't seen the course in a long time.

 

Rob from 3Up golf has a tutorial that I followed to a T. Worked really well but if you are overly detail oriented it takes a LONG time.

 

http://www.3upgolf.com/create-your-own-golf-yardage-book/

[snoilr1]

I've never done pin sheets, but my job involes some of the things you need to create that type of thing.

 

If you just want to map out the actual green shapes, you could easily do it using Google Earth. Or, you could get that plus rough dimensions from a golf gps measuring device that uses realistic pictures or satellite photos of the greens.

 

To create a truly "professional" pin sheet, with slopes and dimensions, you'd need information that you could only get through surveying the greens. You could possibly create something close to that if you can find USGS topographic maps of your course, and you understand how to read them.

 

Even if you had all that, you'd still need the course to give you exact pin locations every time they cut new holes for the pin sheets to have any value. Or, you'd have to have someone walk the course and accurately measure the hole locations every time before you play. You'd need to know "the hole is x feet from the front, and y feet from the left edge". You also need to have the point that the yardage markers measure to to be able to translate that info into yardages on the course.

 

If the course isn't involved, it's probably not a realistic endeavor.

[ZBigStick]

If you are doing a hole location sheet, the green can be vague. But regular hole locations would need to be used for its usefulness.

 

If you are doing a yardage book, just for greens, the more detail, the better.

[Golfrnut]

The tutorial that Rob did at 3up is still the best one I have seen....by far. He had an account here at one time and was drawn to the site from all the redirects after I posted a link here a few years ago. Not sure if he is still active or not.

 

If nothing else, you can always do just the greens and overlay a grid. You can then pace off the ridges and other predominant features on a slow afternoon when you aren't in a hurry. IMO, unless you play different tee boxes all the time, most people get pretty familiar with their usual courses pretty quickly as far as knowing what fairway bunkers they can make/carry etc, but knowing bunkers and things around the greens and carries for certain tiers is always a plus. If you want to get more elaborate, you can purchase the small levels or the electronic incline readers like the one from Breakmaster and chart the breaks/slopes.

[BSB]

Guys. This is awesome!

 

Bad news: I am pretty detail oriented and could see sinking a lot of time into this. (Sorry work)

 

Good news: Our course is only 9 holes (half the work) and the members very much have the run of the course.

 

I am thinking I will start with making maps of the greens with depth and width measurements and rudimentary slope guesses without actually having the greens professionally surveyed. Rob's guides seem really useful for getting the exact shapes of the greens out of google earth and getting them into a usable format that can be printed.

 

After that I can worry about making a full yardage book. Our course is pretty flexible on when it is busy, so I could see me and my brother getting out and measuring distances to the center of the green from various "landmarks" on each hole.

 

Love the input!

[D0ch0l1d4y]

Guys. This is awesome!

 

Bad news: I am pretty detail oriented and could see sinking a lot of time into this. (Sorry work)

 

Good news: Our course is only 9 holes (half the work) and the members very much have the run of the course.

 

I am thinking I will start with making maps of the greens with depth and width measurements and rudimentary slope guesses without actually having the greens professionally surveyed. Rob's guides seem really useful for getting the exact shapes of the greens out of google earth and getting them into a usable format that can be printed.

 

After that I can worry about making a full yardage book. Our course is pretty flexible on when it is busy, so I could see me and my brother getting out and measuring distances to the center of the green from various "landmarks" on each hole.

 

Love the input!

 

For reference, this is a page out of the one I did following the 3up method.

 

 

 

[SadTrombone]

What stock paper did you use and how did you bind it? Staples and fedex office around here are clueless.

[D0ch0l1d4y]

What stock paper did you use and how did you bind it? Staples and fedex office around here are clueless.

 

I just printed it on normal printer paper with a couple staples on the black line where it folds in half. I formatted it to that I could print 2 holes on one page, fold vertical, then staple.

 

Took a few tries to get a handle on...If I do it again, I'll probably try a heavy card stock.

[Dan42nepa]

I like your thinking.. I started to do the same thing. Alot of slopes on my course from adjoining mountains.

[gkoro]

I like the idea, something cool to tinker with...but is it really something "need"? If its only a 9 hole course, and you play it regularly, you should know where all the slopes are on the green..unless you have a detailed location of where the pin is each day, then i would see it as something just adding more time to a round. Im not sure of your golf game, but are you really able to "land the ball two feet past the fringe with a hook spin, to the middle of the mound thats 5 yards to the left of the bunker, with two feet of roll out, to a pin thats 5 paces on and 8 from the left?" Or are you a golfer like me thats "the pin shows its inthe middle of the green thats 40yrs deep, so get it kinda close".

 

I caddy, and I thought about making one of these books.....and the members just want a yardage, as they already know the breaks and such on the greens.....all of the sprinkler heads are marked front, middle, and back yardage....we are given way to much information in the morning, we are all given updated pin sheets...the pin sheets are written as: "#1. +6 2R-8L". This gives us how many yards from the center the pin is, how many paces from the right, and how many paces from the left of the green the pin is. So if the sprinkler head reads 150 to the middle, the first hole pin location is 156 yards from the center, 6yrds from the right fringe, and theres 24yrds of green left of the pin. From this we know Exactly where the pin is. And how much green is infront, and behind. Without knowing exactly where the pin is, then im sure a front, middle, back yardage will suffice.

[SadTrombone]

I like the idea, something cool to tinker with...but is it really something "need"?

 

Now that I'm semi-committed to using a GPS, I find that it's not "needed" (and thank you USGA for allowing them in amateur competition qualifiers - up next: US Open) nearly like it once was. When GPSs weren't allowed (and when DMDs were allowed but I only had a laser) they were great tools. Maybe not for the green itself, but for distances to/carry hazards. Particularly those "hidden" from the current location.

 

But with GPS, that's all done for you. Nowadays when I practice (and I've actually started to do so...yikes), I spend more time on the greens, feeling out slopes then measuring to see if my "feel" was right. I suppose if I were going to play a USGA qualifier this year (no intent to do so, but maybe...) or one of the "Opens" in the area (Toledo Open is a maybe depending on how spring/early summer go) I'd make a detailed book, but just of the greens. I'd want to actually measure the slope numbers and take notes for that. Not necessarily for approach shots, but for putting.

 

The game is hard enough, take every legal advantage you can.

[D0ch0l1d4y]

I like the idea, something cool to tinker with...but is it really something "need"?

 

Now that I'm semi-committed to using a GPS, I find that it's not "needed" (and thank you USGA for allowing them in amateur competition qualifiers - up next: US Open) nearly like it once was. When GPSs weren't allowed (and when DMDs were allowed but I only had a laser) they were great tools. Maybe not for the green itself, but for distances to/carry hazards. Particularly those "hidden" from the current location.

 

But with GPS, that's all done for you. Nowadays when I practice (and I've actually started to do so...yikes), I spend more time on the greens, feeling out slopes then measuring to see if my "feel" was right. I suppose if I were going to play a USGA qualifier this year (no intent to do so, but maybe...) or one of the "Opens" in the area (Toledo Open is a maybe depending on how spring/early summer go) I'd make a detailed book, but just of the greens. I'd want to actually measure the slope numbers and take notes for that. Not necessarily for approach shots, but for putting.

 

The game is hard enough, take every legal advantage you can.

 

I did it all remote, making a couple notes as I played the practice round.

 

What was most useful for me was marking wind direction. Before the round I made note of the prevailing wind direction and could track that against the compass on each sheet.

[Arb8889]

Hi Everybody!

 

I am thinking about making pin sheets for my home course mostly so me and my buddies have something else to BS about before/during/after the round.

 

Has anybody done this before or have any advice or resources for this? I would like to come up with something that looks professional and actually takes into place the shape of individual greens and not just representing each green with a circle.

 

Any help/advice would be appreciated.

 

Thanks!

 

Ask the super he'll have some make copies of you want but kinda pointless if you can't figure out the pins at your own ckub

[mallrat]

On 4/8/2016 at 6:31 AM, ZBigStick said:

If you are doing a hole location sheet, the green can be vague. But regular hole locations would need to be used for its usefulness.

 

If you are doing a yardage book, just for greens, the more detail, the better.

This guy gets it. 
 

You are talking about a yardage book and not a pin sheet. Pin sheets are for hole locations during tournaments. Yardage books are for general use. Pin sheets are done by either the turf crew, superintendent or asst supers. 
 

If you want to do a yardage book I would ask the Super/Director of Agronomy for the blueprints for the course. We have 10 sets of blueprints and they would all work. 
 

I should add, unless you are cutting the cups in the morning with the crew you have no business making pin sheets. Our golf pro wouldn’t even do it. He’d give us ideas of where he would like to see the pin on a couple holes but then it was up to us.

Edited July 3 by mallrat