Chipping, Rule of 12, If you don't know what that is watch vid!!

[jgonz69]

This is quite possibly the most retarded thread I've read on WRX

This is quite possibly the most retarded thread I've read on WRX

sadly that is the norm in the instruction forum.

[Forged4ever]

This is quite possibly the most retarded thread I've read on WRX

 

Which is a pity, because it started off with the OP just sharing an idea that wasn't without merit.

LMAO, I've got a few that make this look like Mensa s*** :)

 

Keep em comin~

 

Fairways & Greens My Friends,

RP

[Hoganstriker]

Some here are talking about using a 52 or 56 for everything. Those are most often used for pitch shots. This thread is about chipping. If all you have in your arsenal is a pitch shot maybe you ought to spend an hour or two developing your chipping technique. It's very easy and will soon become your first option if you want to get it close not just look cool hitting spinning pitch shots.

 

You apparently don't know what a "chip" is.

 

A chip is a shot make near the green, that generally travels as far or farther on the ground, than it does in the air ... or made near the green, when "loft" isn't a major consideration.

 

Don't you ever watch golf on TV? The vast majority of tour pros, use a wedge to make their chips. That doesn't make them "pitch shots", it's simply a chip with a wedge.

 

Read Richie Hunt's post. If you're dealing with undulating greens, chipping with an 8 or 9 iron can be a ticket to high scores.

 

Just my opinion, but most of the guys advocating the Rule of 12, aren't really talking about "chipping", they're talking about putting with a club other than a putter.

 

Just because the majority of pros do it definitely doesn't mean it's best for ams. if you call it putting fine but it's the easiest way.

[johnrobison]

But aren't this:

...putting with a club other than a putter.

 

And this:

A chip is a shot make near the green, that generally travels as far or farther on the ground, than it does in the air .

 

The same thing?

 

I don't think the Rule of 12 is about how close you are to the edge of the green. Isn't it about how close you are to your landing spot relative to the hole?

[PutterKilledTheDream]

some clarification needed round here:

 

1. Pitch= partial shot requiring some speed, elevation. Requires carrying the ball a distance. Usually requires some spin.

 

2. Chip= green side, similar to a putt, less or no hinge needed, very often NOT about creating spin but using enough loft to get the ball over first cut or anything that can kill the speed, yet gets the ball rolling. Can be a wedge and require spin in certain situations but absolutely doesn't have to or have anything to do with technique.

 

 

[Hawkeye77]

some clarification needed round here:

 

1. Pitch= partial shot requiring some speed, elevation. Requires carrying the ball a distance. Usually requires some spin.

 

2. Chip= green side, similar to a putt, less or no hinge needed, very often NOT about creating spin but using enough loft to get the ball over first cut or anything that can kill the speed, yet gets the ball rolling. Can be a wedge and require spin in certain situations but absolutely doesn't have to or have anything to do with technique.

 

Gracias!

[Yrrdead]

Honestly I'm just happy the thread went past 4 responses :taunt: . And I'm sure that some of the people will give this a try and be successful with it.

[goobers80]

Honestly I'm just happy the thread went past 4 responses :taunt: . And I'm sure that some of the people will give this a try and be successful with it.

 

Yes , the usual peoples tried to discredit it with the ridiculous PGA tour comparison. I have played on greens that are around 13 with humps on them ands you can play with most clubs. Amateurs do nots play PGA tour greens , so the sooner some realise they do not have a reason to do all the things they do , they may play better.

[SadTrombone]

I don't think the Rule of 12 is about how close you are to the edge of the green. Isn't it about how close you are to your landing spot relative to the hole?

Right. It's a great system. I used it (unbeknownst to myself) when I played my best. I used to pace off every greenside shot to determine total distance to the hole, then I'd "feel out" where I needed to land the ball ("this is downhill, better land it farther from the hole", or "the greens are slow, I better get this one farther across the slope", etc.). From there, I knew how far to hit it, how far I wanted it to roll, and which club would do that based on the hours and hours and thousands and thousands of balls I had hit in practice.

 

I JUST started working on this the other day on my chipping green and can't wait to get out and check it out on a real (big) green.

 

And while landing it a yard or two on the green is nice, nobody says you have to. Say you're 30 paces from the pin, but you've got to get it to the upper tier of the green, and that tier is 10 paces away. So you've got a 2:1 ratio...try a PW. No need to carry it 1 yard on the green (say 3 away from you) where you're left with a 10:1 ratio of roll:air...leaving you chipping with a 2-iron. If you're uncomfortable with that, or want to fly it farther, then do so.

 

Like anything, practice with it, see if it works for you. If it doesn't, s-can it and move on to something else. If it does, enjoy your new tool. The rest of you can enjoy bashing it from your keyboards, I suppose. Maybe that's your thing.

[PutterKilledTheDream]

I've learned something new today: if you're not playing your sand, lob or gapper from everywhere your short game sucks.

[oikos1]

Who knew chipping was such a sensitive topic...

[nikegal]

Honestly I'm just happy the thread went past 4 responses :taunt: . And I'm sure that some of the people will give this a try and be successful with it.

It is an excellent thread and informative for many. Thank you for posting :) Maddie

[nikegal]

Honestly I'm just happy the thread went past 4 responses :taunt: . And I'm sure that some of the people will give this a try and be successful with it.

 

Yes , the usual peoples tried to discredit it with the ridiculous PGA tour comparison. I have played on greens that are around 13 with humps on them ands you can play with most clubs. Amateurs do nots play PGA tour greens , so the sooner some realise they do not have a reason to do all the things they do , they may play better.

Hi Sammy, my name is Madison and I am Richard's fiance. He has always spoken so highly of you and I have enjoyed reading your posts! I hope that you have a great season :) Maddie

[HackerD]

I don't disagree with this Rule of 12 approach but the utility of it may depend on the courses you play. My home course has smallish and often elevated greens. I don't encounter chipping opportunities with lots of green to work with very often. I hit most chips and pitches with my 54*. I will use 7-8-9 iron for long bump and run, but on average I face that shot about once per round.

[schwollo]

Thanks cool to see some ppl still use clubs other than sw

Around the green. I personally don't drop below 8 but I do love using different clubs around the green.

 

[Jacob Mac]

I don't disagree with this Rule of 12 approach but the utility of it may depend on the courses you play. My home course has smallish and often elevated greens. I don't encounter chipping opportunities with lots of green to work with very often. I hit most chips and pitches with my 54*. I will use 7-8-9 iron for long bump and run, but on average I face that shot about once per round.

 

I used to use it a lot. But then I changed courses and the need doesn't arise very often. But it really works.

[Shipwreck]

I used it a couple of times today on the course and it worked fairly well. The greens were running a little fast, so I took a little less club than the rule of 12 suggested (PW instead of 9 iron etc) and I had some pretty good up and downs where I would normally try and pinch a little LW or something. I agree though that it really works best when you have have a lot of green to work with and you aren't too far off the green. I am not a big fan of putting from over a yard off the green, so I am going to continue with this method and give it some more practice.

[MMB1500]

What does this guy know?

 

[jconroy12]

I find there really is no need to walk off the yardage to the hole - just eyeball it.

I derived the following logic by going to a large flat green and experimenting. Once I decide where I want to land the ball, it a simple thing to select the appropriate club depending on the speed of the green and whether uphill/downhill :

• LW (60) - roll out = 1/2x carry
  
• SW (56) - roll out = 1x carry
  
• GW (52) - roll out = 2x carry
  
• PW (48) - roll out = 3x carry
  
• 9i (44) - roll out = 4x carry
  
• 8i (40) - roll out = 5x carry
  

I rarely have to go any lower than an 8i or I'll end up over the back of most greens I putt on.

 

I use this system a lot and it works very well. For me at the moment it would be the rule of 10 as my PW flies 50/50 to role. As we get more into the summer and the greens firm up, I will use rule of 11 and rule of 12 as my SW will fly 50/50 to roll. I only go as low as 7i as I find anything lower tricky to get in the air with such a short stroke. 7i at the moment will fly 1 part carry and 3 parts roll.

As far as the PGA pros go, I heard a commentator on tv mentioning about tour players using mostly wedges and this is because the greens are so fast that a PW will go about 1 part carry and 5 parts roll and also a lot of the different types of grasses on the US are very sticky and clumpy so the players need to get the ball up out of it quickly.

[sbark]

On Paul Runyans Pitching video....he says the biggest problem is getting the club shaft inside the forearms.........its at the approx. 9:20 point. Any further explanation as his stroke showing the problem, and after his suggested correction appear similar

[oikos1]

What does this guy know?

 

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Haha! Pretty sure he called that a "lower pitch and run". "Pitch" or "Chip"...the debate continues...

[BenHoganSlam1953]

I find there really is no need to walk off the yardage to the hole - just eyeball it.

I derived the following logic by going to a large flat green and experimenting. Once I decide where I want to land the ball, it a simple thing to select the appropriate club depending on the speed of the green and whether uphill/downhill :

• LW (60) - roll out = 1/2x carry
  
• SW (56) - roll out = 1x carry
  
• GW (52) - roll out = 2x carry
  
• PW (48) - roll out = 3x carry
  
• 9i (44) - roll out = 4x carry
  
• 8i (40) - roll out = 5x carry
  

I rarely have to go any lower than an 8i or I'll end up over the back of most greens I putt on.

 

I use this system a lot and it works very well. For me at the moment it would be the rule of 10 as my PW flies 50/50 to role. As we get more into the summer and the greens firm up, I will use rule of 11 and rule of 12 as my SW will fly 50/50 to roll. I only go as low as 7i as I find anything lower tricky to get in the air with such a short stroke. 7i at the moment will fly 1 part carry and 3 parts roll.

As far as the PGA pros go, I heard a commentator on tv mentioning about tour players using mostly wedges and this is because the greens are so fast that a PW will go about 1 part carry and 5 parts roll and also a lot of the different types of grasses on the US are very sticky and clumpy so the players need to get the ball up out of it quickly.

 

And that is the issue when someone tries to present logic without maintaining the context of what it was based on. One has to create their own version of the rule based on themselves in combination of the course(s) they play on. The fun part is that for most of my courses the green speeds are are over the map. This year I'll have to check my chipping yardages as I check my swing yardages each week.

[jj9000]

And that is the issue when someone tries to present logic without maintaining the context of what it was based on. One has to create their own version of the rule based on themselves in combination of the course(s) they play on. The fun part is that for most of my courses the green speeds are are over the map. This year I'll have to check my chipping yardages as I check my swing yardages each week.

 

We're not talking about Vertex Operator Algebra here.

 

If one has (5) fingers on each hand, they should be able to master the concept pretty easily.

 

We haven't even begun talking about being able to count with toes as well.

 

 

 

 

P.S...Butch Harmon could have hit the ball closer in that video if he pulled a 60* wedge...video must be targeted to hacks.

 

/logicfail

[PutterKilledTheDream]

It's very clear that if you use a variety of clubs from different situations you have no skill or creativity.

 

Uni-wedge is the only way to master chipping.

[stuboy]

It's very clear that if you use a variety of clubs from different situations you have no skill or creativity.

 

Uni-wedge is the only way to master chipping.

 

It's so much more fun to use a variety, I mentioned this to a playing partner the other week, course here are still waterlogged. I said I find it boring it there is no chance of trying little bump and runs etc because the ball was topping dead no matter what club one used.

[Bobalu]

What does this guy know?

 

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Butch says nothing about the highly variable 'Rule of X'. He is talking about the sound principle of chipping with a lower lofted club, usually up to an 8 or 9 iron (for courses that I play), when faced with this particular situation, when the ball is just off the green with the pin on the other side of the green. It's not a bad idea to develop chipping touch and feel with several chipping clubs of your choice, to observe how much roll out you will get with each club on YOUR greens on that day. I don't know anybody- but a hack or two- that would hit a lob wedge in the particular situation shown in this video.

[oikos1]

The whole deal is to turn three into two.

 

If you are one putting at a high rate following your pitch/chips, then you've got a method that works. If you're not, you might want to change what you're doing unless you're content playing bogey or worse golf.

[Troezen]

I'm guessing most of the people saying this method wouldn't work are double digit handicaps.

[Yzmerf]

I wasn't going to go there but.....

[Muddler]

Yep. Used to be known as the Rule of 11 (I think he even mentions it in this vid), and can be tied back to Paul Runyan, I think.

 

Here's a useful graphic from Runyan's video 'The Short Game to Lower Scores.' If employing this method it could dramatically reduce the time required to decide which club you need to use.

 

 

 

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Man, in that video Paul Runyan has some great advice. And a magnificent pair of slacks!