RESOLVED - Problem with "" in a trade after receiving my club!

[rjp322]

Agreed to a trade with member "" on 10/13/16. My ping G30 3 wood for his Cobra F6 baffler that he had posted for sale. He did tell me he would not be able to ship for a few days and that was fine with me, wasnt in a real hurry. He had 18 feedback all positive and it was more convenient for me to ship right away so I did. I did ship to a business so I will attempt that route should I need. Long story short, I sent him tracking on the 14th and he said thanks and would do same. Below is the remaining conversation

 

Me 10/17/16

Hey saw the G30 was delivered today so just want to confirm you received it. Also when will you be shipping the baffler? Thanks!

 

Him 10/17 just a few hours later

Hi. I'll pick it up later in the week. Thank you.

I've shipped out the Baffler and you should have it Thursday.

 

I'll send the tracking info once my wife gets it to me.

 

I thanked him in the next message and no response

 

Waited til 10/20 (day it was supposed to arrive and didnt)

Hey can I get the tracking info for the baffler. It did not show up today

 

Him on 10/21 (next morning so at this point no worries still responding)

Yeah - Let me ping my wife again. The reason why I didn't provide it initially is because I had to go on a business trip, and I'm currently sitting in London. I've asked my wife each day to just take a picture of the receipt.

 

I just spoke to her and she said it's coming over in a few minutes.

 

Really sorry about the wait.

 

Me 10/21

Did u get that tracking? Didn't show up today either

 

Me 10/22

Not sure how it was shipped but usps and ups already came to my house and still no baffler. This is getting pretty frustrating now that I was told it was shipped and would be here Thursday and it's now Saturday and I have no club and no tracking info

 

Me 10/23

Just a heads up if it doesn't show up tomorrow I will be starting a thread in deal or no deal. Looks like you have been online this morning but didn't respond to my message.

 

No baffler today so hence the thread. He has logged on a few times but has not read the conversation (assuming he is via email). At this point, not much I can really do. I will contact his business should it come to that and aware his bosses of his scamming. Just a warning to others. He has a link to this thread.

[rjp322]

Before anyone attacks this member he did just message me tracking and an apology. Does look like it shipped when he said via ups and got held up. Still does not excuse the lack of communication as clearly he was seeing and reading my messages since he responded in two seconds once this thread was made

[thevaporz]

No need to throw his name in the mud like this. If the "final" result of the transaction was that you never received the club or the guy totally flaked then airing your guys' dirty laundry here seems understandable.

 

It's only been a week and a half and you're threatening to call the guys' boss about a golf club he traded you?

 

I suggest you delete the thread until you really have evidence of a scam.

[Circaflex]

No need to throw his name in the mud like this. If you never received the club or the guy totally flaked then airing your guys' dirty laundry seems understandable.

 

I suggest you delete the thread until you really have evidence of a scam.

 

I dont necessarily agree with that. He confirmed and accepted the trade on 10/13, received the club from OP on 10/17, and it took a week and a half of constant messaging and only received the most recent communication after opening the thread. Don't want to end up in a thread like this? Follow through and keep your word. We live in a world of technology. Email and internet access at our fingertips. I, and most likely the OP, would have no problem with delays as stuff happens. Life happens. I 100% understand that, but just communicate. Even if its "hey, ran into some stuff, need an extra day or two to ship." I wont ever question someone because it could be a serious family related issue, but to not even say anything, thats when the pitchforks come out.

[Togatown22]

Always interesting how quick communication resumes and tracking shows up once a thread is started... Just sayin'.

[thevaporz]

He hasn't been scammed YET. So why go Salem on 'em and also threaten to notify his work? Sounds really immature to me.

 

The guy has 100% positive feedback. It would really surprise me he all of a sudden decided to pick you to scam over a hundred bucks or so.

 

If you get your club and all is good give him a negative for poor communication and shipping time. That's really all you need to do and other member will decide to work with him or not.

 

You don't need to come tattle tell to the whole forum BEFORE the dust has even settled on the transaction. Poor form.

[Circaflex]

He hasn't been scammed YET. So why go Salem on 'em and also threaten to notify his work? Sounds really immature to me.

 

The guy has 100% positive feedback. It would really surprise me he all of a sudden decided to pick you to scam over a hundred bucks or so.

 

If you get your club and all is good give him a negative for poor communication and shipping time. That's really all you need to do and other member will decide to work with him or not.

 

You don't need to come tattle tell to the whole forum BEFORE the dust has even settled on the transaction. Poor form.

 

Then the question becomes, how long is long enough to assume you are being scammed? The longer you wait, the better the chance at them getting away. We aren't talking a day or two, we are talking 11 days from the deal being made and 8 days from the other guy receiving the club. At the point of his thread being opened, he was out his club that he traded, he is out the new club he expected from a trade and communication was little to none for a week and a half. That would make my alarm go off and get worried too. Its funny, generally these threads always end up with a reply from the seller that they are out of town and hoping their wife/SO can snap a picture.

 

You would be surprised at how many 100% feedback users have gone rogue, just look through the BST Dispute forum, plenty of "great traders" have been called out and banned.

[thevaporz]

OP, did you guys PayPal each other same value?

[jj9000]

I will contact his business should it come to that and aware his bosses of his scamming.

 

Calling his boss...After a week and a half...About a Baffler?

 

Perspective.

 

Get some.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[slice n dice]

Did you guys even read this thread? The club shipped when the guy said it was shipped and got delayed with UPS. He's out of the country and got his wife to ship the club for him. I understand the frustration, sure. But the guy wasn't lying to the OP initially about when he shipped the club, so I find it hard to believe that he really wasn't bugging his wife for the tracking info. Personally I wouldn't trade if I was out of the country, but nothing here shows me he's a bad guy. The guys who say they shipped and it really isn't for 2 weeks are the ones to worry about.

[Circaflex]

I did read the thread and I think it comes down to lack of communication.

[Tyus Stones]

It would be one thing if the trader didn't ship the club until after this thread was started.

 

But that's not what happened.

 

Just as he told the OP, it was shipped out but had gotten delayed by UPS. He's in another country, and his wife didn't send him the tracking info. Odds are she probably tossed the receipt. What exactly is he supposed to do? Could he have communicated better? Probably. But he's halfway across the world. And if he couldn't get the tracking info from his wife, no amount of communication from him would've satisfied the OP, as he would've repeatedly told him "My wife doesn't have/isn't sending me the tracking info, please just trust that I sent it out and that it will arrive soon." I have to imagine he would've assumed the trader was giving him the runaround and started this thread anyways.

 

OP, you should probably close this thread and remove the trader's ID from the thread. He didn't do anything wrong here, UPS messed up on this one. Not taking a shot at the OP, as he seems like a good guy based on his activity on WRX. But this was just an unfortunate situation for everyone involved, nothing more.

[rjp322]

All about communication gentleman. In the last 3 days he's logged on every single day multiple times and ignored my messages. I post this thread (keep in mind I told him I was going to) and within 5 minutes I get a response. Apparently this had to be done to get a response. Understand its not his fault ups delayed but going dark for 3 days when communication was good and he had my club was not the route to go. I've been here a long time and have seen and heard the "I had so and so ship it, so sorry not sure what happened excuse" too many times to really believe it anymore. Like I said it all comes down to communication and a simple message goes along way. Had he not been logging online I would have never started this but blatant ignoring is just disrespectful especially in a trade. My feedback speaks for itself. Pretty certain I know exactly what I'm doing when I enter into a transaction of any kind

 

I told him before any of you posted here that I'd request to remove this thread when the club shows up tomorrow.

[rjp322]

I will contact his business should it come to that and aware his bosses of his scamming.

 

Calling his boss...After a week and a half...About a Baffler?

 

Perspective.

 

Get some.

 

I didn't state that I'd call right away but if he stayed silent for another week, I sure would. Not sure about you but I don't like to be scammed or taken advantage of

[Ckingolf]

It's a golf club... and you're willing to go to his boss about this?

 

if I had to update my block list, it may not be lordemsworth that I'm adding...........

[rjp322]

It's a golf club... and you're willing to go to his boss about this?

 

if I had to update my block list, it may not be lordemsworth that I'm adding...........

 

Feel free to add me. My feedback speaks completely for itself. When two parties agree to a trade communication is hands down the most important thing. He chose to ignore messages for three days while logging on every day. I'm glad you think this is acceptable, I however do not. I'm not bashing this member but I'm stating exactly what happened. People can decide for themselves on who is right and who is wrong but it was pretty evident I was not getting a response until I posted this. Had I waited one more day looks like club would have shown up but how would I know that? No tracking and communication. This could have easily been avoided with a simple message instead of going dark

[Ckingolf]

My point is the fact you think it's okay to go to his boss over a golf club trade.. is his job, his reputation at work, potentially his ability to feed his kids worth a golf club?

 

Seriously?

[rjp322]

My point is the fact you think it's okay to go to his boss over a golf club trade.. is his job, his reputation at work, potentially his ability to feed his kids worth a golf club?

 

Seriously?

 

People should be held accountable for their actions. What if this was a putter worth $1000? Would your tune change? You clearly have missed the point

[Ckingolf]

No I get your point. Just think there's more to life than a golf club. Agree to disagree

[Tyus Stones]

But you said it yourself OP. You've heard the "I had so and so ship it, so sorry not sure what happened" enough times that you wouldn't have believed it anyways. That's all I was trying to say. If his wife wasn't sending him the tracking info, there's literally nothing the guy could've done to get it himself since he's in another country. And from the tracking info, it is clear it was sent out when he said it was. Even if he had replied to your messages, all he could've given you was what you would consider "excuses" which you wouldn't accept.

[Arpeggi]

OP is clearly in the wrong

[rjp322]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. It's not about a golf club and that's the point. It's about being accountable for your actions and holding up your end of the bargain.

 

Doesn't matter though, looks like this member did ship the club. Communication goes a long way. This will be deleted when the club shows up tomorrow. I did not want to have to post this but it seemed like this may be the only way to get his attention and it obviously did

[Bsgolf53]

All he had to do was give tracking...he failed and the OP received his tracking after the post

 

Well done...

[Pudgelewis]

It's a golf club... and you're willing to go to his boss about this?

 

if I had to update my block list, it may not be lordemsworth that I'm adding...........

 

Feel free to add me. My feedback speaks completely for itself. When two parties agree to a trade communication is hands down the most important thing. He chose to ignore messages for three days while logging on every day. I'm glad you think this is acceptable, I however do not. I'm not bashing this member but I'm stating exactly what happened. People can decide for themselves on who is right and who is wrong but it was pretty evident I was not getting a response until I posted this. Had I waited one more day looks like club would have shown up but how would I know that? No tracking and communication. This could have easily been avoided with a simple message instead of going dark

 

If we're being real, you really aren't stating "exactly" what happened. Your title says the member is scamming you which doesn't seem to be the case. I think it's a little early to throw a thread out there with a title like that and the guy's name in the title, but I'm also not going to say you didn't have any reason to be concerned. When you got your quick reply from him you should have just gone ahead and had it deleted and just reposted it if it didn't show up for some reason.

 

On the other hand, I've ALWAYS said in threads like these that it comes down to communication. Obviously his wife DID have the tracking or he found an alternate way to get it, so it appears he should have been a little more proactive in attempting to get it, no matter where he is. Even if the OP wouldn't have believed yet another reply about not having it, that's no reason to not reply to the guy's messages. Even if the OP wasn't asking for it, anyone who cares about the other party should be keeping them in the loop when there's a delay.

 

And we've seen multiple threads where buyers/swappers or other members have gone to great lengths to make sure some scumbag doesn't continue to rip people off, so at least using the threat of trying to notify his work shouldn't be a great surprise to anyone. Certainly premature if he were heading that route soon, but not anything wrong with throwing it out there as an option.

[Krt22]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. It's not about a golf club and that's the point. It's about being accountable for your actions and holding up your end of the bargain.

 

Doesn't matter though, looks like this member did ship the club. Communication goes a long way. This will be deleted when the club shows up tomorrow. I did not want to have to post this but it seemed like this may be the only way to get his attention and it obviously did

 

I disagree with you as well. There is such thing as taking action and such thing as taking excessive action. Calling his out my name immediately and threatening to go to his employer over is way overboard.

 

Seriously think about for a minute or two, if he was really trying to scam you, why would he use is employer as a ship to address?

 

As someone who travels internationally, I can also understand getting swamped on a business trip. Working overseas with the time difference, 12-16hrs a day, with limited internet/data network access, etc etc can make even simple communication extremely difficult.

[melo]

So, im just curious for those bashing the Op, at what point does it become ok to get concerned? What if he wasn't overseas? Or what if it was 15 days instead of 11? It is pretty argumentative to say, after not hearing from someone for several days who has already received the club, that he shouldnt have worried about it...seems like if it was your $120, you'd be concerned.

[rjp322]

It's a golf club... and you're willing to go to his boss about this?

 

if I had to update my block list, it may not be lordemsworth that I'm adding...........

 

Feel free to add me. My feedback speaks completely for itself. When two parties agree to a trade communication is hands down the most important thing. He chose to ignore messages for three days while logging on every day. I'm glad you think this is acceptable, I however do not. I'm not bashing this member but I'm stating exactly what happened. People can decide for themselves on who is right and who is wrong but it was pretty evident I was not getting a response until I posted this. Had I waited one more day looks like club would have shown up but how would I know that? No tracking and communication. This could have easily been avoided with a simple message instead of going dark

 

If we're being real, you really aren't stating "exactly" what happened. Your title says the member is scamming you which doesn't seem to be the case. I think it's a little early to throw a thread out there with a title like that and the guy's name in the title, but I'm also not going to say you didn't have any reason to be concerned. When you got your quick reply from him you should have just gone ahead and had it deleted and just reposted it if it didn't show up for some reason.

 

On the other hand, I've ALWAYS said in threads like these that it comes down to communication. Obviously his wife DID have the tracking or he found an alternate way to get it, so it appears he should have been a little more proactive in attempting to get it, no matter where he is. Even if the OP wouldn't have believed yet another reply about not having it, that's no reason to not reply to the guy's messages. Even if the OP wasn't asking for it, anyone who cares about the other party should be keeping them in the loop when there's a delay.

 

And we've seen multiple threads where buyers/swappers or other members have gone to great lengths to make sure some scumbag doesn't continue to rip people off, so at least using the threat of trying to notify his work shouldn't be a great surprise to anyone. Certainly premature if he were heading that route soon, but not anything wrong with throwing it out there as an option.

 

I posted every message. That's exactly what happened. I could not have stated it any better

[rjp322]

Also if I posted this without mentioning his name, that would not have gotten any response out of him since his skin wouldn't have been in the game so to speak so that would have done no good whatsoever

[deadsolid...shank]

So, im just curious for those bashing the Op, at what point does it become ok to get concerned? What if he wasn't overseas? Or what if it was 15 days instead of 11? It is pretty argumentative to say, after not hearing from someone for several days who has already received the club, that he shouldnt have worried about it...seems like if it was your $120, you'd be concerned.

 

Kind of what I was thinking. It's easy to say someone is overreacting when it's someone's club that isn't showing up. But...

 

I respect a lot of the opinions in this thread though. Lots of good BST'ers in here. Some big feedback numbers.

[2bGood]

We will have to agree to disagree on this one. It's not about a golf club and that's the point. It's about being accountable for your actions and holding up your end of the bargain.

 

Doesn't matter though, looks like this member did ship the club. Communication goes a long way. This will be deleted when the club shows up tomorrow. I did not want to have to post this but it seemed like this may be the only way to get his attention and it obviously did

 

You should keep this post on the record and not delete it, as it says as much about you as it says about him.

 

 

It's a golf club... and you're willing to go to his boss about this?

 

if I had to update my block list, it may not be lordemsworth that I'm adding...........

 

Feel free to add me. My feedback speaks completely for itself. When two parties agree to a trade communication is hands down the most important thing. He chose to ignore messages for three days while logging on every day. I'm glad you think this is acceptable, I however do not. I'm not bashing this member but I'm stating exactly what happened. People can decide for themselves on who is right and who is wrong but it was pretty evident I was not getting a response until I posted this. Had I waited one more day looks like club would have shown up but how would I know that? No tracking and communication. This could have easily been avoided with a simple message instead of going dark

 

If we're being real, you really aren't stating "exactly" what happened. Your title says the member is scamming you which doesn't seem to be the case. I think it's a little early to throw a thread out there with a title like that and the guy's name in the title, but I'm also not going to say you didn't have any reason to be concerned. When you got your quick reply from him you should have just gone ahead and had it deleted and just reposted it if it didn't show up for some reason.

 

On the other hand, I've ALWAYS said in threads like these that it comes down to communication. Obviously his wife DID have the tracking or he found an alternate way to get it, so it appears he should have been a little more proactive in attempting to get it, no matter where he is. Even if the OP wouldn't have believed yet another reply about not having it, that's no reason to not reply to the guy's messages. Even if the OP wasn't asking for it, anyone who cares about the other party should be keeping them in the loop when there's a delay.

 

And we've seen multiple threads where buyers/swappers or other members have gone to great lengths to make sure some scumbag doesn't continue to rip people off, so at least using the threat of trying to notify his work shouldn't be a great surprise to anyone. Certainly premature if he were heading that route soon, but not anything wrong with throwing it out there as an option.

 

I posted every message. That's exactly what happened. I could not have stated it any better

 

Other than calling him a scammer. That is not a fact or "exactly what happened" .