z945 Spin issue

[GMR2iron]

I have gamed blades with s300's, PX, PXi's, and now have Modus 105's in my Srixon 745/945 combo, and see no excessive spin with them. Or lack of spin, for that matter.

[BearQ]

I just think 95g shaft is too light for a bladed iron. But I know of zero players on any tour or elite amateur level, playing TRUE blades with shafts under 100g, never seen it,

 

Okay, what exactly is too light? Where are people coming up with this? It makes zero sense. None. Nada.

 

Please explain your theory behind this! Love to hear it....

 

Lol overreact much? Just telling you what I've seen from playing 15 years of competitive golf and following all the major tours as much as anyone out here...

 

Certain shafts don't work with certain club heads. That's all I was trying to say. Most play blades for the control and many blades are head-heavy, a super light iron shaft would provide a strange feel for most blades...that's why it's a pairing we never see 99% of the time. Only wanted to say it could be a contributing factor.

 

I don't think I said anything ridiculous at all, it was a well written post, told my experiences with the prototypes as well. Just trying to help OP out. I think for most it made some sense. Thanks for the unwarranted criticism though, you really contributed!

[Golfrnut]

I just think 95g shaft is too light for a bladed iron. But I know of zero players on any tour or elite amateur level, playing TRUE blades with shafts under 100g, never seen it,

 

Okay, what exactly is too light? Where are people coming up with this? It makes zero sense. None. Nada.

 

Please explain your theory behind this! Love to hear it....

 

Lol overreact much? Just telling you what I've seen from playing 15 years of competitive golf and following all the major tours as much as anyone out here...

 

Certain shafts don't work with certain club heads. That's all I was trying to say. Most play blades for the control and many blades are head-heavy, a super light iron shaft would provide a strange feel for most blades...that's why it's a pairing we never see 99% of the time. Only wanted to say it could be a contributing factor.

 

I don't think I said anything ridiculous at all, it was a well written post, told my experiences with the prototypes as well. Just trying to help OP out. I think for most it made some sense. Thanks for the unwarranted criticism though, you really contributed!

 

Lol...no overeaction at all.

 

But some of you responses really don't present a whole lot of factual info. There's no real sustenance to "certain shafts do not work with certain club heads". Shafts and heads, in the hands of a good builder can be treated as two completely different items. Heads weights do not differ between blades/any other club heads...so that's not really correct either. That's nothing more than the way they are assembled, which can be comepletly reversed if one so chooses. You're assuming a lot, but none of it really being true.

[BearQ]

I just think 95g shaft is too light for a bladed iron. But I know of zero players on any tour or elite amateur level, playing TRUE blades with shafts under 100g, never seen it,

 

Okay, what exactly is too light? Where are people coming up with this? It makes zero sense. None. Nada.

 

Please explain your theory behind this! Love to hear it....

 

Lol overreact much? Just telling you what I've seen from playing 15 years of competitive golf and following all the major tours as much as anyone out here...

 

Certain shafts don't work with certain club heads. That's all I was trying to say. Most play blades for the control and many blades are head-heavy, a super light iron shaft would provide a strange feel for most blades...that's why it's a pairing we never see 99% of the time. Only wanted to say it could be a contributing factor.

 

I don't think I said anything ridiculous at all, it was a well written post, told my experiences with the prototypes as well. Just trying to help OP out. I think for most it made some sense. Thanks for the unwarranted criticism though, you really contributed!

 

Lol...no overeaction at all.

 

But some of you responses really don't present a whole lot of factual info. There's no real sustenance to "certain shafts do not work with certain club heads". Shafts and heads, in the hands of a good builder can be treated as two completely different items. Heads weights do not differ between blades/any other club heads...so that's not really correct either. That's nothing more than the way they are assembled, which can be comepletly reversed if one so chooses. You're assuming a lot, but none of it really being true.

 

Blah blah blah. You've yet to contribute anything to the thread. Some of my responses, you going on a full creep of my posts? What else are you referring to? Classic wrx warrior. Not gonna waste any more time with you. Go troll someone else

[Golfrnut]

I just think 95g shaft is too light for a bladed iron. But I know of zero players on any tour or elite amateur level, playing TRUE blades with shafts under 100g, never seen it,

 

Okay, what exactly is too light? Where are people coming up with this? It makes zero sense. None. Nada.

 

Please explain your theory behind this! Love to hear it....

 

Lol overreact much? Just telling you what I've seen from playing 15 years of competitive golf and following all the major tours as much as anyone out here...

 

Certain shafts don't work with certain club heads. That's all I was trying to say. Most play blades for the control and many blades are head-heavy, a super light iron shaft would provide a strange feel for most blades...that's why it's a pairing we never see 99% of the time. Only wanted to say it could be a contributing factor.

 

I don't think I said anything ridiculous at all, it was a well written post, told my experiences with the prototypes as well. Just trying to help OP out. I think for most it made some sense. Thanks for the unwarranted criticism though, you really contributed!

 

Lol...no overeaction at all.

 

But some of you responses really don't present a whole lot of factual info. There's no real sustenance to "certain shafts do not work with certain club heads". Shafts and heads, in the hands of a good builder can be treated as two completely different items. Heads weights do not differ between blades/any other club heads...so that's not really correct either. That's nothing more than the way they are assembled, which can be comepletly reversed if one so chooses. You're assuming a lot, but none of it really being true.

 

Blah blah blah. You've yet to contribute anything to the thread. Some of my responses, you going on a full creep of my posts? What else are you referring to? Classic wrx warrior. Not gonna waste any more time with you. Go troll someone else

 

Sorry that using factual info offends you.

 

Carry on.

[craz-e]

When I first played my first ever set of blades I found I spun the ball a lot more, mostly down to technique so I have had to work on that!

[Howard_Jones]

Too much of it! Anyone else have this problem. Recently had a set custom built for me, with Recoil 95 stiff shafts. I know its not the shafts, same shaft I have in my i25 (well not exactly, I have the Proto's in my Pings, but I have played both a lot and they are'nt that much different in spin).

Im spinning 7 irons 10-15ft back and 9 and PW off greens, 20+ ft. its crazy, Im not a high spin player, never have been.

 

These irons go high, but not to high. But when they hit, they just suck back. Have not changed ball either, play Vice Pro.

 

Any thoughts or ideas? Would bending 1-2deg strong help?

 

i took a peak on head specs in Ralph Maltbys MPF and it should be i25 who has the highest launch of the two (if the heads holds standard specs on loft), so it has to be your access to the ball that is different. Tweaking lofts 2 strong might solve it, but you should really try them side by side on a launch monitor so you get to know WHY. it might be that your swing takes out all there is to get of dynamic loft difference on those shafts, but even then we normally dont see this extremes since the difference from one shaft to another within the same flex range is rather small really, but a LM report would help to identify what really is the issue

 

Do you have the actual club specs on the 2 irons you compare ? (Length, Total weight, SW value and Loft)

 

PS! even if we sometimes see a flight difference due to shaft weight, its NOT a good idea to use shaft weight to tweak ball flight, so use shaft weight for whats its meant for, tempo timing vs the players physical strength and thats a very personal thing.

 

If you come from a set with heavy shafts and has to go lighter for health reasons (like myself), you might try to tweak a test club where you add weight grip side. DONT think of it as counterweight like on a putter, or what it does to the SW scale, just forget that for a moment, and try it out if you feel that your tempo is hard to control and you have to concentrate to much on keeping it like you wants to. Weight added IN YOUR HAND, will give you back some of the lost shaft weight, without adding stress to joints or back during release like a club with more shaft weight would do.

 

I should normally play "standard size" with 2 layers of BU, but uses JUMBO both to add "lost shaft weight" and to add comfort to my hands.

Just a suggestion to try off instead of going back up in shaft weight if you can get them to work by a loft tweak.

Added weight grip side dont have to be by a larger grip, we can use lead tape in spiral under the grip where 1 layer fills the same as 1 layer of BU, and if we cover the hole grip area, we can add about 25 grams this way.

[smoothie4896]

Too much of it! Anyone else have this problem. Recently had a set custom built for me, with Recoil 95 stiff shafts. I know its not the shafts, same shaft I have in my i25 (well not exactly, I have the Proto's in my Pings, but I have played both a lot and they are'nt that much different in spin).

Im spinning 7 irons 10-15ft back and 9 and PW off greens, 20+ ft. its crazy, Im not a high spin player, never have been.

 

These irons go high, but not to high. But when they hit, they just suck back. Have not changed ball either, play Vice Pro.

 

Any thoughts or ideas? Would bending 1-2deg strong help?

 

i took a peak on head specs in Ralph Maltbys MPF and it should be i25 who has the highest launch of the two (if the heads holds standard specs on loft), so it has to be your access to the ball that is different. Tweaking lofts 2 strong might solve it, but you should really try them side by side on a launch monitor so you get to know WHY. it might be that your swing takes out all there is to get of dynamic loft difference on those shafts, but even then we normally dont see this extremes since the difference from one shaft to another within the same flex range is rather small really, but a LM report would help to identify what really is the issue

 

Do you have the actual club specs on the 2 irons you compare ? (Length, Total weight, SW value and Loft)

 

PS! even if we sometimes see a flight difference due to shaft weight, its NOT a good idea to use shaft weight to tweak ball flight, so use shaft weight for whats its meant for, tempo timing vs the players physical strength and thats a very personal thing.

 

If you come from a set with heavy shafts and has to go lighter for health reasons (like myself), you might try to tweak a test club where you add weight grip side. DONT think of it as counterweight like on a putter, or what it does to the SW scale, just forget that for a moment, and try it out if you feel that your tempo is hard to control and you have to concentrate to much on keeping it like you wants to. Weight added IN YOUR HAND, will give you back some of the lost shaft weight, without adding stress to joints or back during release like a club with more shaft weight would do.

 

I should normally play "standard size" with 2 layers of BU, but uses JUMBO both to add "lost shaft weight" and to add comfort to my hands.

Just a suggestion to try off instead of going back up in shaft weight if you can get them to work by a loft tweak.

Added weight grip side dont have to be by a larger grip, we can use lead tape in spiral under the grip where 1 layer fills the same as 1 layer of BU, and if we cover the hole grip area, we can add about 25 grams this way.

 

Howard, always like to hear your thoughts! The specs on both clubs are identical. Both sets built by same excellent builder, both MOI matched, SW, grips etc. The only difference is the Ping's have the Recoil Proto 95 and the z945 have the standard recoil 95. Also, the Srixon 7-PW are a little longer progression in the overall length. Basically 1/4" -3/8"

 

I played last SUnday with the Pings and it was back to normal spin/flight etc.. As I start to eliminate all the possibilities, it has to be me that is putting a different swing on these things for some reason.

[nitram]

You're hitting it "too pure".

[smoothie4896]

You're hitting it "too pure".

 

That what my wife said to me this morning.........................

[Howard_Jones]

Too much of it! Anyone else have this problem. Recently had a set custom built for me, with Recoil 95 stiff shafts. I know its not the shafts, same shaft I have in my i25 (well not exactly, I have the Proto's in my Pings, but I have played both a lot and they are'nt that much different in spin).

Im spinning 7 irons 10-15ft back and 9 and PW off greens, 20+ ft. its crazy, Im not a high spin player, never have been.

 

These irons go high, but not to high. But when they hit, they just suck back. Have not changed ball either, play Vice Pro.

 

Any thoughts or ideas? Would bending 1-2deg strong help?

 

i took a peak on head specs in Ralph Maltbys MPF and it should be i25 who has the highest launch of the two (if the heads holds standard specs on loft), so it has to be your access to the ball that is different. Tweaking lofts 2 strong might solve it, but you should really try them side by side on a launch monitor so you get to know WHY. it might be that your swing takes out all there is to get of dynamic loft difference on those shafts, but even then we normally dont see this extremes since the difference from one shaft to another within the same flex range is rather small really, but a LM report would help to identify what really is the issue

 

Do you have the actual club specs on the 2 irons you compare ? (Length, Total weight, SW value and Loft)

 

PS! even if we sometimes see a flight difference due to shaft weight, its NOT a good idea to use shaft weight to tweak ball flight, so use shaft weight for whats its meant for, tempo timing vs the players physical strength and thats a very personal thing.

 

If you come from a set with heavy shafts and has to go lighter for health reasons (like myself), you might try to tweak a test club where you add weight grip side. DONT think of it as counterweight like on a putter, or what it does to the SW scale, just forget that for a moment, and try it out if you feel that your tempo is hard to control and you have to concentrate to much on keeping it like you wants to. Weight added IN YOUR HAND, will give you back some of the lost shaft weight, without adding stress to joints or back during release like a club with more shaft weight would do.

 

I should normally play "standard size" with 2 layers of BU, but uses JUMBO both to add "lost shaft weight" and to add comfort to my hands.

Just a suggestion to try off instead of going back up in shaft weight if you can get them to work by a loft tweak.

Added weight grip side dont have to be by a larger grip, we can use lead tape in spiral under the grip where 1 layer fills the same as 1 layer of BU, and if we cover the hole grip area, we can add about 25 grams this way.

 

Howard, always like to hear your thoughts! The specs on both clubs are identical. Both sets built by same excellent builder, both MOI matched, SW, grips etc. The only difference is the Ping's have the Recoil Proto 95 and the z945 have the standard recoil 95. Also, the Srixon 7-PW are a little longer progression in the overall length. Basically 1/4" -3/8"

 

I played last SUnday with the Pings and it was back to normal spin/flight etc.. As I start to eliminate all the possibilities, it has to be me that is putting a different swing on these things for some reason.

 

Same MOI and total weight? then only a Launch Monitor can solve this since shaft difference cant explain it

[pjkelley]

Too much of it! Anyone else have this problem. Recently had a set custom built for me, with Recoil 95 stiff shafts. I know its not the shafts, same shaft I have in my i25 (well not exactly, I have the Proto's in my Pings, but I have played both a lot and they are'nt that much different in spin).

Im spinning 7 irons 10-15ft back and 9 and PW off greens, 20+ ft. its crazy, Im not a high spin player, never have been.

 

These irons go high, but not to high. But when they hit, they just suck back. Have not changed ball either, play Vice Pro.

 

Any thoughts or ideas? Would bending 1-2deg strong help?

 

i took a peak on head specs in Ralph Maltbys MPF and it should be i25 who has the highest launch of the two (if the heads holds standard specs on loft), so it has to be your access to the ball that is different. Tweaking lofts 2 strong might solve it, but you should really try them side by side on a launch monitor so you get to know WHY. it might be that your swing takes out all there is to get of dynamic loft difference on those shafts, but even then we normally dont see this extremes since the difference from one shaft to another within the same flex range is rather small really, but a LM report would help to identify what really is the issue

 

Do you have the actual club specs on the 2 irons you compare ? (Length, Total weight, SW value and Loft)

 

PS! even if we sometimes see a flight difference due to shaft weight, its NOT a good idea to use shaft weight to tweak ball flight, so use shaft weight for whats its meant for, tempo timing vs the players physical strength and thats a very personal thing.

 

If you come from a set with heavy shafts and has to go lighter for health reasons (like myself), you might try to tweak a test club where you add weight grip side. DONT think of it as counterweight like on a putter, or what it does to the SW scale, just forget that for a moment, and try it out if you feel that your tempo is hard to control and you have to concentrate to much on keeping it like you wants to. Weight added IN YOUR HAND, will give you back some of the lost shaft weight, without adding stress to joints or back during release like a club with more shaft weight would do.

 

I should normally play "standard size" with 2 layers of BU, but uses JUMBO both to add "lost shaft weight" and to add comfort to my hands.

Just a suggestion to try off instead of going back up in shaft weight if you can get them to work by a loft tweak.

Added weight grip side dont have to be by a larger grip, we can use lead tape in spiral under the grip where 1 layer fills the same as 1 layer of BU, and if we cover the hole grip area, we can add about 25 grams this way.

 

Howard, always like to hear your thoughts! The specs on both clubs are identical. Both sets built by same excellent builder, both MOI matched, SW, grips etc. The only difference is the Ping's have the Recoil Proto 95 and the z945 have the standard recoil 95. Also, the Srixon 7-PW are a little longer progression in the overall length. Basically 1/4" -3/8"

 

I played last SUnday with the Pings and it was back to normal spin/flight etc.. As I start to eliminate all the possibilities, it has to be me that is putting a different swing on these things for some reason.

 

A couple of things stand out here....

 

1) You mention several times that specs are identical - does that include lofts? I'd expect that the Pings are 2-5 deg stronger than the Z945s. This Ping loft difference, combined with the cavity back could produce similar trajectory compared to the Z945 with lower spin, but I'd also expect the Pings to fly further than the Sirxons.

 

2) The Z945s have a significantly higher CG than the Pings - as such they will produce LESS spin if the lofts are identical and impact is at the same point on the face of each club. This is simple physics.

 

3) The hosel length looks to be ~1/2" different too (longer in the Z945s), which both moves the bend point toward the grip and effects how the shaft bends and twists (if both 7 irons have the taper tip 7i length shaft installed and the actual finished shaft length of the Z945 is shorter although the overall lengths are identical).

 

As to how all of this relates to trajectory, spin, and distance is VERY golfer dependent. I'm pretty certain that robot testing on these 2 sets of irons would produce very different results than you are seeing. First, if you're hitting both irons with dispersion/proximities that would be evident for a scratch player (maybe 10yd radius with a 7i), you are making very different swings with each club, whether conscious or subconscious. The Ping has significant offset difference than the Z945 - they will produce visibly different direction/curve/trajectory/spin if hit by a robot with the same motion. So if you hit both 7i's say 170 yds with a slight draw and similar trajectory with same stance/alignment/ball position, YOU are swinging each club different whether you know it or not. The offset difference alone mandates this.

 

In any event, there is much more to unpack here when a good player makes such a significant equipment switch like this because if you're assessment of your skill is honest you are making subconscious swing adjustments. I would look at video face on and down the line to document ball position, arc, loading, and low point as I'd bet these all change.