Question about my fitted irons...

[LeftDaddy]

This is kind of a long "story" so I'll do my best to be concise. I'm hitting everything pretty well right now except my irons, and my troubles seem to have slowly crept in after being fit. I've been fit for 2 different sets of irons in the last 10 years. Both sets I was fit for +1 length and 2 degrees effective upright (different fitters with same conclusion). Anyway, my overall game has improved over the past several years, but my irons are in a really bad place right now. My coach says my swing looks great. He says if I have any problem, it is that my tempo is too fast.

 

My miss is either a smother hook or thin and on the toe. I'm having a really hard time finding the center of the club face.

 

My question is this...could my issues be due to the lie angle / length of my irons? I guess I already know how to find this out...go to a coach and use some impact tape etc etc. But my coach literally told me 2 weeks ago that my swing looks like a tour pros. So I'm trying to reconcile that with my awfully poor contact.

 

Edited to add...I wish I could delete this post. Upon re-reading, I realize how silly it sounds. Anyway, just assume I already know most of the obvious stuff, and rest assured that my coach and I spent a great deal of time trying to eliminate my poor contact. I'm just trying to eliminate one more variable. I hit my driver, woods, hybrids, wedges pretty damned consistently but spray my irons all over the place. It just doesn't make sense.

[raggal62]

The lack of consistent contact on the center of the face would indicate to me a length issue more than a lie issue. To eliminate that variable, simply experimenting with standard length irons would be a good start.

[phatchrisrules]

This is kind of a long "story" so I'll do my best to be concise. I'm hitting everything pretty well right now except my irons, and my troubles seem to have slowly crept in after being fit. I've been fit for 2 different sets of irons in the last 10 years. Both sets I was fit for +1 length and 2 degrees effective upright (different fitters with same conclusion). Anyway, my overall game has improved over the past several years, but my irons are in a really bad place right now. My coach says my swing looks great. He says if I have any problem, it is that my tempo is too fast.

 

My miss is either a smother hook or thin and on the toe. I'm having a really hard time finding the center of the club face.

 

My question is this...could my issues be due to the lie angle / length of my irons? I guess I already know how to find this out...go to a coach and use some impact tape etc etc. But my coach literally told me 2 weeks ago that my swing looks like a tour pros. So I'm trying to reconcile that with my awfully poor contact.

 

Edited to add...I wish I could delete this post. Upon re-reading, I realize how silly it sounds. Anyway, just assume I already know most of the obvious stuff, and rest assured that my coach and I spent a great deal of time trying to eliminate my poor contact. I'm just trying to eliminate one more variable. I hit my driver, woods, hybrids, wedges pretty damned consistently but spray my irons all over the place. It just doesn't make sense.

 

It definitely sounds like there is some sort of issue with the irons. To me it sounds like the shaft doesn't fit you, almost like it is too heavy and stiff. If something is too heavy and stiff it never really gets out of that loaded position through your swing, or if is much too stiff (like you're swinging X flex when you really need a senior or something) then the shaft never loads period. However, I've found that most people can get away with playing a shaft that never loads, versus playing a shaft that loads and then never unloads. Just as an example, ever play with that old guy that still has his 7.5* X-flex Hawkeye driver and he still "rips" it up the middle about 175? Or the woman who is playing the stiff, men's driver and hits it dead straight every time? If the shaft never loads, you hands and body never get the feeling of the shaft flexing (i.e. lagging to some extent, be it centrifugally or laterally, depending on how good your path is), so as long as you deliver the club face square, bam, away it goes.

 

Conversely, if the shaft is loading but not unloading properly for you at impact, this is where a whole host of problems can occur. You're either going to hit it off the toe because the club isn't releasing properly back to square, or, you're going to try and over compensate when you feel like your body is too far ahead of it (i.e. leading to a toe bash push) and you'll flip your hands to save it, leading to a well struck, but massive pull. Toe shots can also happen if the shaft is too heavy, as it can cause an imperfection in your path where you are casting the club, instead of dropping it to the inside. This action may be so slight that your teacher isn't going to pick up on it.

 

The last thing I want to mention, and I absolutely hate to be that guy, but you say in your signature that you are using blades. If your handicap is correct in your sig (13), then you are going to have to work really hard to get an iron of that caliber back to square and hit it properly. These are the lowest MOI and least forgiving irons you can give yourself. I'm not going to get into a debate about whether you should start off with blades because it'll make you a better ball striker, versus going SGI/GI to help; there is no right answer. All I am going to say is I have been fitting for a long time, and if someone came to me wanting irons and was a 13 handicap, at worst I would try and get them into a player's cavity back to give them some help, even if they were stubborn and wanted to play something small.

 

If your path looks like a tour pro, everything else you are hitting is going like money, but your irons have a two-way miss, my inkling is to say the iron type is too much for you to handle right now. I would look at something a bit more forgiving to see if that helps before investing any money in new shafts, personally, if that's what ends up being the case. Also, you've had two independent people fit you for the exact same specs. Chances are, +1 long and 2* up is what you need. Ping (the custom fitting gurus) have said that even if you are a beginner with no lessons, and turn into a scratch after tonnes of lessons, your length may change a quarter of an inch, and your lie, maybe one colour code. 0.75* of lie angle will not cause such a complicated pattern of misses, nor would a golf club maybe half an inch too long (at most!!!). My bet is still on the irons being too tough. Sorry, flame away if you must.

[LeftDaddy]

This is kind of a long "story" so I'll do my best to be concise. I'm hitting everything pretty well right now except my irons, and my troubles seem to have slowly crept in after being fit. I've been fit for 2 different sets of irons in the last 10 years. Both sets I was fit for +1 length and 2 degrees effective upright (different fitters with same conclusion). Anyway, my overall game has improved over the past several years, but my irons are in a really bad place right now. My coach says my swing looks great. He says if I have any problem, it is that my tempo is too fast.

 

My miss is either a smother hook or thin and on the toe. I'm having a really hard time finding the center of the club face.

 

My question is this...could my issues be due to the lie angle / length of my irons? I guess I already know how to find this out...go to a coach and use some impact tape etc etc. But my coach literally told me 2 weeks ago that my swing looks like a tour pros. So I'm trying to reconcile that with my awfully poor contact.

 

Edited to add...I wish I could delete this post. Upon re-reading, I realize how silly it sounds. Anyway, just assume I already know most of the obvious stuff, and rest assured that my coach and I spent a great deal of time trying to eliminate my poor contact. I'm just trying to eliminate one more variable. I hit my driver, woods, hybrids, wedges pretty damned consistently but spray my irons all over the place. It just doesn't make sense.

 

It definitely sounds like there is some sort of issue with the irons. To me it sounds like the shaft doesn't fit you, almost like it is too heavy and stiff. If something is too heavy and stiff it never really gets out of that loaded position through your swing, or if is much too stiff (like you're swinging X flex when you really need a senior or something) then the shaft never loads period. However, I've found that most people can get away with playing a shaft that never loads, versus playing a shaft that loads and then never unloads. Just as an example, ever play with that old guy that still has his 7.5* X-flex Hawkeye driver and he still "rips" it up the middle about 175? Or the woman who is playing the stiff, men's driver and hits it dead straight every time? If the shaft never loads, you hands and body never get the feeling of the shaft flexing (i.e. lagging to some extent, be it centrifugally or laterally, depending on how good your path is), so as long as you deliver the club face square, bam, away it goes.

 

Conversely, if the shaft is loading but not unloading properly for you at impact, this is where a whole host of problems can occur. You're either going to hit it off the toe because the club isn't releasing properly back to square, or, you're going to try and over compensate when you feel like your body is too far ahead of it (i.e. leading to a toe bash push) and you'll flip your hands to save it, leading to a well struck, but massive pull. Toe shots can also happen if the shaft is too heavy, as it can cause an imperfection in your path where you are casting the club, instead of dropping it to the inside. This action may be so slight that your teacher isn't going to pick up on it.

 

The last thing I want to mention, and I absolutely hate to be that guy, but you say in your signature that you are using blades. If your handicap is correct in your sig (13), then you are going to have to work really hard to get an iron of that caliber back to square and hit it properly. These are the lowest MOI and least forgiving irons you can give yourself. I'm not going to get into a debate about whether you should start off with blades because it'll make you a better ball striker, versus going SGI/GI to help; there is no right answer. All I am going to say is I have been fitting for a long time, and if someone came to me wanting irons and was a 13 handicap, at worst I would try and get them into a player's cavity back to give them some help, even if they were stubborn and wanted to play something small.

 

If your path looks like a tour pro, everything else you are hitting is going like money, but your irons have a two-way miss, my inkling is to say the iron type is too much for you to handle right now. I would look at something a bit more forgiving to see if that helps before investing any money in new shafts, personally, if that's what ends up being the case. Also, you've had two independent people fit you for the exact same specs. Chances are, +1 long and 2* up is what you need. Ping (the custom fitting gurus) have said that even if you are a beginner with no lessons, and turn into a scratch after tonnes of lessons, your length may change a quarter of an inch, and your lie, maybe one colour code. 0.75* of lie angle will not cause such a complicated pattern of misses, nor would a golf club maybe half an inch too long (at most!!!). My bet is still on the irons being too tough. Sorry, flame away if you must.

 

No flame at all...thanks for the detailed response. I very much appreciate it. So it appears that you are largely suggesting that there shouldn't be anything wrong with the length / lie angle of my clubs, and that perhaps my shafts need a relook, and it may be that I'm trying to swing too much club.

 

This is partly why I said above that I wish I could delete the post...there is just a lot of background as to how I got where I am and I am sure no-one is interested in all of that detail. I'll try to address concisely...

 

For the shafts, again, I've been fitted twice...and in each fitting I was fitted into lighter versions of stiff shafts (PXI 6.0 and KBS Tour V 110s stiff). So I somewhat feel that is also a "good" fitting...meaning, two different fitters put me in essentially the same shaft specs. With certain swing thoughts and on certain days, I catch the center of the face on every swing and everything feels like butter. It is just that it is so inconsistent...other days my hands are hurting from all of the off center hits.

 

As for the blades, yes, we could debate this one for some time. I tend to subscribe to the theory that if I have appendicitis, I want to know it...and so blades give me the most immediate feedback on my misses. And my most recent fitter had the same theory and recommended that I go with the player's clubs. And just to clarify...I have absolutely no problems squaring up the face...I get it past square too much, and my path is too far to the inside. In my last meeting with my coach, he had me trying to work hard on holding off my release and on simulating an out-to-in path. That helped tremendously for a few days, I guess until I reverted back to my faults. I guess my overall point here is that about 60% of the time, I hit the ball right in the middle of the face with a slight draw and it feels like the most beautiful thing in the world...but about 40% of the time I smother-hook it and/or hit it thin and on the toe...and I'm also prone to a shank if I try to slow things down. It's that 40% that leads to a 13 handicap...I don't believe that my clubs are too much to handle...I guess through this discussion I've decided that it is most likely still my swing, and could possibly be my shaft.

 

What about swing weight? I tend to really dislike head-heavy clubs and don't get much success with them. That is also partly why I use the blades. But maybe I should experiment by putting some lead tape on the toe (to hold off the release and to add some swing weight points)?

[nsxguy]

This is kind of a long "story" so I'll do my best to be concise. I'm hitting everything pretty well right now except my irons, and my troubles seem to have slowly crept in after being fit. I've been fit for 2 different sets of irons in the last 10 years. Both sets I was fit for +1 length and 2 degrees effective upright (different fitters with same conclusion). Anyway, my overall game has improved over the past several years, but my irons are in a really bad place right now. My coach says my swing looks great. He says if I have any problem, it is that my tempo is too fast.

 

My miss is either a smother hook or thin and on the toe. I'm having a really hard time finding the center of the club face.

 

My question is this...could my issues be due to the lie angle / length of my irons? I guess I already know how to find this out...go to a coach and use some impact tape etc etc. But my coach literally told me 2 weeks ago that my swing looks like a tour pros. So I'm trying to reconcile that with my awfully poor contact.

 

Edited to add...I wish I could delete this post. Upon re-reading, I realize how silly it sounds. Anyway, just assume I already know most of the obvious stuff, and rest assured that my coach and I spent a great deal of time trying to eliminate my poor contact. I'm just trying to eliminate one more variable. I hit my driver, woods, hybrids, wedges pretty damned consistently but spray my irons all over the place. It just doesn't make sense.

 

It definitely sounds like there is some sort of issue with the irons. To me it sounds like the shaft doesn't fit you, almost like it is too heavy and stiff. If something is too heavy and stiff it never really gets out of that loaded position through your swing, or if is much too stiff (like you're swinging X flex when you really need a senior or something) then the shaft never loads period. However, I've found that most people can get away with playing a shaft that never loads, versus playing a shaft that loads and then never unloads. Just as an example, ever play with that old guy that still has his 7.5* X-flex Hawkeye driver and he still "rips" it up the middle about 175? Or the woman who is playing the stiff, men's driver and hits it dead straight every time? If the shaft never loads, you hands and body never get the feeling of the shaft flexing (i.e. lagging to some extent, be it centrifugally or laterally, depending on how good your path is), so as long as you deliver the club face square, bam, away it goes.

 

Conversely, if the shaft is loading but not unloading properly for you at impact, this is where a whole host of problems can occur. You're either going to hit it off the toe because the club isn't releasing properly back to square, or, you're going to try and over compensate when you feel like your body is too far ahead of it (i.e. leading to a toe bash push) and you'll flip your hands to save it, leading to a well struck, but massive pull. Toe shots can also happen if the shaft is too heavy, as it can cause an imperfection in your path where you are casting the club, instead of dropping it to the inside. This action may be so slight that your teacher isn't going to pick up on it.

 

The last thing I want to mention, and I absolutely hate to be that guy, but you say in your signature that you are using blades. If your handicap is correct in your sig (13), then you are going to have to work really hard to get an iron of that caliber back to square and hit it properly. These are the lowest MOI and least forgiving irons you can give yourself. I'm not going to get into a debate about whether you should start off with blades because it'll make you a better ball striker, versus going SGI/GI to help; there is no right answer. All I am going to say is I have been fitting for a long time, and if someone came to me wanting irons and was a 13 handicap, at worst I would try and get them into a player's cavity back to give them some help, even if they were stubborn and wanted to play something small.

 

If your path looks like a tour pro, everything else you are hitting is going like money, but your irons have a two-way miss, my inkling is to say the iron type is too much for you to handle right now. I would look at something a bit more forgiving to see if that helps before investing any money in new shafts, personally, if that's what ends up being the case. Also, you've had two independent people fit you for the exact same specs. Chances are, +1 long and 2* up is what you need. Ping (the custom fitting gurus) have said that even if you are a beginner with no lessons, and turn into a scratch after tonnes of lessons, your length may change a quarter of an inch, and your lie, maybe one colour code. 0.75* of lie angle will not cause such a complicated pattern of misses, nor would a golf club maybe half an inch too long (at most!!!). My bet is still on the irons being too tough. Sorry, flame away if you must.

 

No flame at all...thanks for the detailed response. I very much appreciate it. So it appears that you are largely suggesting that there shouldn't be anything wrong with the length / lie angle of my clubs, and that perhaps my shafts need a relook, and it may be that I'm trying to swing too much club.

 

This is partly why I said above that I wish I could delete the post...there is just a lot of background as to how I got where I am and I am sure no-one is interested in all of that detail. I'll try to address concisely...

 

For the shafts, again, I've been fitted twice...and in each fitting I was fitted into lighter versions of stiff shafts (PXI 6.0 and KBS Tour V 110s stiff). So I somewhat feel that is also a "good" fitting...meaning, two different fitters put me in essentially the same shaft specs. With certain swing thoughts and on certain days, I catch the center of the face on every swing and everything feels like butter. It is just that it is so inconsistent...other days my hands are hurting from all of the off center hits.

 

As for the blades, yes, we could debate this one for some time. I tend to subscribe to the theory that if I have appendicitis, I want to know it...and so blades give me the most immediate feedback on my misses. And my most recent fitter had the same theory and recommended that I go with the player's clubs. And just to clarify...I have absolutely no problems squaring up the face...I get it past square too much, and my path is too far to the inside. In my last meeting with my coach, he had me trying to work hard on holding off my release and on simulating an out-to-in path. That helped tremendously for a few days, I guess until I reverted back to my faults. I guess my overall point here is that about 60% of the time, I hit the ball right in the middle of the face with a slight draw and it feels like the most beautiful thing in the world...but about 40% of the time I smother-hook it and/or hit it thin and on the toe...and I'm also prone to a shank if I try to slow things down. It's that 40% that leads to a 13 handicap...I don't believe that my clubs are too much to handle...I guess through this discussion I've decided that it is most likely still my swing, and could possibly be my shaft.

 

What about swing weight? I tend to really dislike head-heavy clubs and don't get much success with them. That is also partly why I use the blades. But maybe I should experiment by putting some lead tape on the toe (to hold off the release and to add some swing weight points)?

 

Many years ago we had a guy at our club who had the sweetest swing you'd ever want to see,,,,,,,,,,,,, and he hit it all over the golf course. And his brother, his teacher as well, was a teaching pro. Go figure.

 

Fitting by the numbers doesn't always get everything just right,,,,

 

e.g. My driver SS puts me in the "R" range but I not only hit a stiff shaft straighter, I also hit it further. Similar with my irons. I not only play Stiff shafts but they're heavyweight DGS300s. Again, I not only hit them straighter than lightweight shafts but I hit them ~ +/- 2 yards in distance from the lightweight shafts with tighter dispersion.

 

I put all this to (most likely) "stability". The slightly slower swing swing I get with the heavier shaft is more than offset by the stability and ability to swing them more consistently and hit the SS more often.

 

You can (apparently) handle stiff shafts, why not try heavier weight shafts ?

 

As for a 13 hitting blades,,,,,,,,,, I am going to control myself,,,,,,,,,,,,,, You HAVE "appendicitis". You just don't have the right tools to FIX it.

[phatchrisrules]

This is kind of a long "story" so I'll do my best to be concise. I'm hitting everything pretty well right now except my irons, and my troubles seem to have slowly crept in after being fit. I've been fit for 2 different sets of irons in the last 10 years. Both sets I was fit for +1 length and 2 degrees effective upright (different fitters with same conclusion). Anyway, my overall game has improved over the past several years, but my irons are in a really bad place right now. My coach says my swing looks great. He says if I have any problem, it is that my tempo is too fast.

 

My miss is either a smother hook or thin and on the toe. I'm having a really hard time finding the center of the club face.

 

My question is this...could my issues be due to the lie angle / length of my irons? I guess I already know how to find this out...go to a coach and use some impact tape etc etc. But my coach literally told me 2 weeks ago that my swing looks like a tour pros. So I'm trying to reconcile that with my awfully poor contact.

 

Edited to add...I wish I could delete this post. Upon re-reading, I realize how silly it sounds. Anyway, just assume I already know most of the obvious stuff, and rest assured that my coach and I spent a great deal of time trying to eliminate my poor contact. I'm just trying to eliminate one more variable. I hit my driver, woods, hybrids, wedges pretty damned consistently but spray my irons all over the place. It just doesn't make sense.

 

It definitely sounds like there is some sort of issue with the irons. To me it sounds like the shaft doesn't fit you, almost like it is too heavy and stiff. If something is too heavy and stiff it never really gets out of that loaded position through your swing, or if is much too stiff (like you're swinging X flex when you really need a senior or something) then the shaft never loads period. However, I've found that most people can get away with playing a shaft that never loads, versus playing a shaft that loads and then never unloads. Just as an example, ever play with that old guy that still has his 7.5* X-flex Hawkeye driver and he still "rips" it up the middle about 175? Or the woman who is playing the stiff, men's driver and hits it dead straight every time? If the shaft never loads, you hands and body never get the feeling of the shaft flexing (i.e. lagging to some extent, be it centrifugally or laterally, depending on how good your path is), so as long as you deliver the club face square, bam, away it goes.

 

Conversely, if the shaft is loading but not unloading properly for you at impact, this is where a whole host of problems can occur. You're either going to hit it off the toe because the club isn't releasing properly back to square, or, you're going to try and over compensate when you feel like your body is too far ahead of it (i.e. leading to a toe bash push) and you'll flip your hands to save it, leading to a well struck, but massive pull. Toe shots can also happen if the shaft is too heavy, as it can cause an imperfection in your path where you are casting the club, instead of dropping it to the inside. This action may be so slight that your teacher isn't going to pick up on it.

 

The last thing I want to mention, and I absolutely hate to be that guy, but you say in your signature that you are using blades. If your handicap is correct in your sig (13), then you are going to have to work really hard to get an iron of that caliber back to square and hit it properly. These are the lowest MOI and least forgiving irons you can give yourself. I'm not going to get into a debate about whether you should start off with blades because it'll make you a better ball striker, versus going SGI/GI to help; there is no right answer. All I am going to say is I have been fitting for a long time, and if someone came to me wanting irons and was a 13 handicap, at worst I would try and get them into a player's cavity back to give them some help, even if they were stubborn and wanted to play something small.

 

If your path looks like a tour pro, everything else you are hitting is going like money, but your irons have a two-way miss, my inkling is to say the iron type is too much for you to handle right now. I would look at something a bit more forgiving to see if that helps before investing any money in new shafts, personally, if that's what ends up being the case. Also, you've had two independent people fit you for the exact same specs. Chances are, +1 long and 2* up is what you need. Ping (the custom fitting gurus) have said that even if you are a beginner with no lessons, and turn into a scratch after tonnes of lessons, your length may change a quarter of an inch, and your lie, maybe one colour code. 0.75* of lie angle will not cause such a complicated pattern of misses, nor would a golf club maybe half an inch too long (at most!!!). My bet is still on the irons being too tough. Sorry, flame away if you must.

 

No flame at all...thanks for the detailed response. I very much appreciate it. So it appears that you are largely suggesting that there shouldn't be anything wrong with the length / lie angle of my clubs, and that perhaps my shafts need a relook, and it may be that I'm trying to swing too much club.

 

This is partly why I said above that I wish I could delete the post...there is just a lot of background as to how I got where I am and I am sure no-one is interested in all of that detail. I'll try to address concisely...

 

For the shafts, again, I've been fitted twice...and in each fitting I was fitted into lighter versions of stiff shafts (PXI 6.0 and KBS Tour V 110s stiff). So I somewhat feel that is also a "good" fitting...meaning, two different fitters put me in essentially the same shaft specs. With certain swing thoughts and on certain days, I catch the center of the face on every swing and everything feels like butter. It is just that it is so inconsistent...other days my hands are hurting from all of the off center hits.

 

As for the blades, yes, we could debate this one for some time. I tend to subscribe to the theory that if I have appendicitis, I want to know it...and so blades give me the most immediate feedback on my misses. And my most recent fitter had the same theory and recommended that I go with the player's clubs. And just to clarify...I have absolutely no problems squaring up the face...I get it past square too much, and my path is too far to the inside. In my last meeting with my coach, he had me trying to work hard on holding off my release and on simulating an out-to-in path. That helped tremendously for a few days, I guess until I reverted back to my faults. I guess my overall point here is that about 60% of the time, I hit the ball right in the middle of the face with a slight draw and it feels like the most beautiful thing in the world...but about 40% of the time I smother-hook it and/or hit it thin and on the toe...and I'm also prone to a shank if I try to slow things down. It's that 40% that leads to a 13 handicap...I don't believe that my clubs are too much to handle...I guess through this discussion I've decided that it is most likely still my swing, and could possibly be my shaft.

 

What about swing weight? I tend to really dislike head-heavy clubs and don't get much success with them. That is also partly why I use the blades. But maybe I should experiment by putting some lead tape on the toe (to hold off the release and to add some swing weight points)?

 

It's possible, so from what you have described it sounds like your body is just overactive in the swing...it's not the club's fault or the shafts. If you are leading too much with your lower body and are coming too much from the inside then you have no other way to hit the ball if you are late than to hit a toe-bash push (or a shank if you come slightly more over it that normal). Conversely, this explains the hook very well also, as your body is desperately trying to square it up, so what does it do? Flip the bejeezus out of your hands to get it back to square and BOOM, you have your hook, because your body is already rotated past the impact position. Sounds to me like you just need to work a few kinks out in your timing and you'll be striping it in no time. I've been there. I took some lessons a few years back and got to the same point as you, but the opposite. I just striped everything from the 6i down. They were carrying with a beautiful little high draw to about 180-185. The 5i through driver, no matter what it was, went 190 yards and just smother hooked the crap out of it. Some very frustrating range time and lots of swearing got it sort of back to normal. To this day I still have an overzealous draw.

 

While I don't 100% agree with the philosophy of you and your teacher, if you are confident in them, and believe them to be right for you, go for it!

[LeftDaddy]

Great stuff in this thread guys. I wanted to delete it because I thought I would get flamed, yet you guys gave me serious responses. I very much appreciate it.

 

I have been striping everything at the range this week. Finally went to the course to try the new swing thoughts out. I hit mostly good shots but had a few stinkers. I am very very close to something "special" (for me at least).

 

Funny story, after my round I saw a lefty friend who has standard l/l/l irons with a huge sole (max GIs). I asked to hit his 6i. I striped two shots with this nice low ball flight and a baby draw. I thought "oh no, do i really need my irons redone?" So then I hit my 6 iron blade. Beautiful baby draw, towering ball flight, and flew further than his. So I guess that solves that ?