Water hazard drop zone

[sui generis]

It's about 90 yards to the left and short of the green but you could use a putter from there and get it on the green.

 

Their explanation was that the normal options were too penal. LOL.

 

They used word "should" in their guidance. So perhaps even they feel that it is not possible in some cases to stick to the spirit.

 

But being able to play around the WH is not against the spirit, just not to carry the ball across.

 

Roadkill is just another troll. Leave him alone.

[Sawgrass]

Interesting. I'm watching the US Women's Open and the USGA is violating the RULES that posters on this board claim to know so well. They have a drop zone that clearly is closer to the hole and allows the player to NOT hit over the water. It's about 90 yards to the left and short of the green but you could use a putter from there and get it on the green.

 

Their explanation was that the normal options were too penal. LOL.

 

Maybe somebody on this board will call the officials at the USGA and tell them they are violating their own rules.

 

LOL.

Are you still harping about "closer to the hole"? Take it up with someone who is debating that point, will you?

 

BTW, it is common for a Lateral Water Hazard to provide drop options which don't require one to go over the water. Is this hazard you're so excited to have discovered a red-staked hazard? Or a yellow-staked hazard that's played as red when playing a particular hole? Or, as you say, is it truly in conflict with D 33-8/2 in which case you have a point.

[Roadking2003]

It's about 90 yards to the left and short of the green but you could use a putter from there and get it on the green.

 

Their explanation was that the normal options were too penal. LOL.

 

They used word "should" in their guidance. So perhaps even they feel that it is not possible in some cases to stick to the spirit.

 

But being able to play around the WH is not against the spirit, just not to carry the ball across.

 

I'm watching the show..... you can carry the ball around the hazzard very easily and hit from the DZ.

 

It's about 90 yards to the left and short of the green but you could use a putter from there and get it on the green.

 

Their explanation was that the normal options were too penal. LOL.

 

They used word "should" in their guidance. So perhaps even they feel that it is not possible in some cases to stick to the spirit.

 

But being able to play around the WH is not against the spirit, just not to carry the ball across.

 

Roadkill is just another troll. Leave him alone.

 

So, you can't handle the truth. You must be the troll. Trolls can't handle debate nor the facts.

 

Grow up.

[Roadking2003]

Interesting. I'm watching the US Women's Open and the USGA is violating the RULES that posters on this board claim to know so well. They have a drop zone that clearly is closer to the hole and allows the player to NOT hit over the water. It's about 90 yards to the left and short of the green but you could use a putter from there and get it on the green.

 

Their explanation was that the normal options were too penal. LOL.

 

Maybe somebody on this board will call the officials at the USGA and tell them they are violating their own rules.

 

LOL.

Are you still harping about "closer to the hole"? Take it up with someone who is debating that point, will you?

 

BTW, it is common for a Lateral Water Hazard to provide drop options which don't require one to go over the water. Is this hazard you're so excited to have discovered a red-staked hazard? Or a yellow-staked hazard that's played as red when playing a particular hole? Or, as you say, is it truly in conflict with D 33-8/2 in which case you have a point.

 

Read this thread. A few posters here claim you cannot have a DZ that enables you to drop without clearing the hazard nor can the DZ be closer to the hole than your other options. Clearly, the USGA violates those opinions with today's US Open. Also, Sawgrass #17 violates that opinion.

 

But some here are too proud to admit they are wrong and instead resort to personal attacks.

[Newby]

Interesting. I'm watching the US Women's Open and the USGA is violating the RULES that posters on this board claim to know so well. They have a drop zone that clearly is closer to the hole and allows the player to NOT hit over the water. It's about 90 yards to the left and short of the green but you could use a putter from there and get it on the green.

 

Their explanation was that the normal options were too penal. LOL.

 

Maybe somebody on this board will call the officials at the USGA and tell them they are violating their own rules.

 

LOL.

 

1) Was this a Lateral Water Hazard or a Water Hazard?

2) The Decision re playing over the water relates to a Water Hazard specifically.

3) No rule prevents a DZ being nearer the hole. As has been said before, some posters are simply wrong.

[Sawgrass]

Interesting. I'm watching the US Women's Open and the USGA is violating the RULES that posters on this board claim to know so well. They have a drop zone that clearly is closer to the hole and allows the player to NOT hit over the water. It's about 90 yards to the left and short of the green but you could use a putter from there and get it on the green.

 

Their explanation was that the normal options were too penal. LOL.

 

Maybe somebody on this board will call the officials at the USGA and tell them they are violating their own rules.

 

LOL.

Are you still harping about "closer to the hole"? Take it up with someone who is debating that point, will you?

 

BTW, it is common for a Lateral Water Hazard to provide drop options which don't require one to go over the water. Is this hazard you're so excited to have discovered a red-staked hazard? Or a yellow-staked hazard that's played as red when playing a particular hole? Or, as you say, is it truly in conflict with D 33-8/2 in which case you have a point.

 

Read this thread. A few posters here claim you cannot have a DZ that enables you to drop without clearing the hazard nor can the DZ be closer to the hole than your other options. Clearly, the USGA violates those opinions with today's US Open. Also, Sawgrass #17 violates that opinion.

 

But some here are too proud to admit they are wrong and instead resort to personal attacks.

If your point is that someone earlier said that a DZ could not be closer to the hole than the point where the ball previously was, without checking back I'll agree with you as I seem to remember that incorrect assertion, and that it had been corrected. Yet that person (or persons) seem to accept that they were wrong -- with no one other than you still trying to keep it afloat.

 

Now, why would you do that? So you can incorrectly assert that #17 at Sawgrass is incorrectly marked? Just looking for conflict?

[Rob G 89]

So is this an illegal drop zone, I believe it was top right. The hazard was fenced off essentially as an environmental area.

[Newby]

A DZ should be situated on or near the forward tee box.

[QEight]

So is this an illegal drop zone, I believe it was top right. The hazard was fenced off essentially as an environmental area.

 

Just an observation that this dmd app seems illegal, club suggestion.

[Sawgrass]

So is this an illegal drop zone, I believe it was top right. The hazard was fenced off essentially as an environmental area.

 

Just an observation that this dmd app seems illegal, club suggestion.

Just an observation that the recommended club suggestion would put me in the hazard.

[Newby]

That's why they built the forward tee. Just for you and me.

[Roadking2003]

If your point is that someone earlier said that a DZ could not be closer to the hole than the point where the ball previously was, without checking back I'll agree with you as I seem to remember that incorrect assertion, and that it had been corrected. Yet that person (or persons) seem to accept that they were wrong -- with no one other than you still trying to keep it afloat.

 

Now, why would you do that? So you can incorrectly assert that #17 at Sawgrass is incorrectly marked? Just looking for conflict?

 

#17 at Sawgrass is NOT incorrectly marked. I was just quoting some posters who said the DZ cannot be closer to the hole.

[Roadking2003]

Interesting. I'm watching the US Women's Open and the USGA is violating the RULES that posters on this board claim to know so well. They have a drop zone that clearly is closer to the hole and allows the player to NOT hit over the water. It's about 90 yards to the left and short of the green but you could use a putter from there and get it on the green.

 

Their explanation was that the normal options were too penal. LOL.

 

Maybe somebody on this board will call the officials at the USGA and tell them they are violating their own rules.

 

LOL.

 

1) Was this a Lateral Water Hazard or a Water Hazard?

2) The Decision re playing over the water relates to a Water Hazard specifically.

3) No rule prevents a DZ being nearer the hole. As has been said before, some posters are simply wrong.

 

It was a Water Hazard (yellow stakes). They talked about it during the broadcast on Friday.

[Rob G 89]

So is this an illegal drop zone, I believe it was top right. The hazard was fenced off essentially as an environmental area.

 

Just an observation that this dmd app seems illegal, club suggestion.

I don't use that app just downloaded to give a visual of the hole plus 5 iron would be 200 plus for me

[Newby]

Another GWX 'I can hit a long way' irrelevance.

[Cancun]

In an attempt to help clearing the differences regarding Drop Zones, please find below the Drop Zones chapter in “How to Conduct a Competition”, by the USGA. I truly hope it helps. It may be a long read for some, but I trust you’ll find it both relevant to the discussion and interesting. As for hole 17 in TPC Sawgrass I believe that in many cases the only option under Rule 26 for a ball in the water (depending on the spot where the ball last crossed the margin of the WH) would be stroke and distance. I’m sure the Committee has weighted the situation and they considered that a Drop Zone was warranted. I do want to say that the Drop Zone at Sawgrass 17^th is not “on the green side” of the hazard. I used red to highlight part of the text.

 

 

 

Dropping Zones

 

Under Appendix I of the Rules of Golf, a Committee has authority to establish special areas on which balls may or must be dropped when it is not feasible or practicable to proceed exactly in conformity with Rule 24-2b (Immovable Obstructions), Rule 24-3(Ball in Obstruction Not Found), Rule 25-1b or 25-1c (Abnormal Ground Conditions), Rule 25-3 (Wrong Putting Green), Rule 26-1 (Water Hazards and Lateral Water Hazards), Rule 28 (Ball Unplayable), or Rule 33-8 (Local Rules).

 

The USGA frequently uses Dropping Zones in its championships, particularly in the case of water hazards and for Temporary Immovable Obstructions such as grandstands and television towers.

 

Consider the diagram in Appendix C of the 4th hole of the Lower Course at Baltusrol Golf Club, Springfield, New Jersey. Clearly the pond should be defined as a water hazard, but it is possible for a ball to cross the pond and roll back into it in the area marked “X.” In such a case, if the player drops a ball behind the water hazard keeping the point at which the original ball last crossed the margin of the hazard between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, he would be dropping in the trees to the left of the hole. The Committee may decide this to be unreasonable. Accordingly, in USGA championships played at Baltusrol, a Dropping Zone is established at point Y. A Local Rule states that, as an additional option under Rule 26-1, for a ball in the water hazard, the player may drop a ball under penalty of one stroke on the area marked “Dropping Zone.”

 

Note that the Local Rule when used for water hazards states that the player may, not must, use the Dropping Zone. A player should not be deprived of the options provided by the Rules. Thus, the use of any Dropping Zone should be optional.

 

Typically, the Committee should attempt to situate Dropping Zones so that they are not closer to the hole than where the player would be dropping the ball when using one of his options under the relevant Rule. For example, if a Dropping Zone is used as an additional option for a water hazard, the Dropping Zone should be located in an area which requires the player to negotiate the water hazard with his next stroke. The distance should be similar to a ball played under Rule 26-1b. Dropping Zones are not always established in the fairway, but oftentimes are located in the rough.

 

Locating a Dropping Zone on the green side of a water hazard in order to assist players who cannot carry the hazard is contrary to the spirit of the game and is not the purpose behind establishing Dropping Zones. The character of the hole and the position of the water hazard should be preserved when locating Dropping Zones.

 

The USGA defines Dropping Zones with a white line. A Dropping Zone is distinguished from ground under repair by printing the words “Dropping Zone” or “D.Z.” with a paint gun within the Dropping Zone.

 

The Local Rule also provides the following points with regard to the dropping and redropping of the ball:

(a) The player does not have to stand within the Dropping Zone when dropping the ball.

(b) The dropped ball must first strike a part of the course within the Dropping Zone.

© If the Dropping Zone is defined by a line, the line is within the Dropping Zone.

(d) The dropped ball does not have to come to rest within the Dropping Zone.

(e) The dropped ball must be re-dropped if it rolls and comes to rest in a position covered by Rule 20-2c(i-vi).

(f) The dropped ball may roll nearer the hole than the spot where it first struck a part of the course, provided it comes to rest within two club-lengths of that spot and not into any of the positions covered by (e).

(g) Subject to the provisions of (e) and (f), the dropped ball may roll and come to rest nearer the hole than:

 

• its original position or estimated position (see Rule 20-2b);

• the nearest point of relief or maximum available relief (Rule 24-2 25-1 or 25-3); or

 

• the point where the original ball lost crossed the margin of the water hazard or lateral water hazard (Rule 26-1).

 

The 18th hole at Pebble Beach Golf Links presents a somewhat unusual case where a series of dropping zones, positioned along the right side of the bunker, can be utilized to avoid having a player take relief from the lateral water hazard short and left of the putting green and dropping into the adjacent bunker. In such a case a Local Rule may be established by the Committee stating that a player whose ball comes to rest in the lateral water hazard (having last crossed the hazard margin at a point where, when proceeding under Rule 26-1c(i), the player may drop a ball in the bunker) may drop a ball, under penalty of one stroke, on the nearest Dropping Zone that is not nearer the hole.

 

 

Good day gentlemen. Sorry for the long post.