PGA vs. LPGA Battle of the Sexes

[Argonne69]

What's all this talk about tucked pins? For every tough pin the men face they have two or three pussycat pins. Love when the pin is in a bowl and they can fire 10 yards over or left/right, and feed it to the hole.

 

In the past few weeks I've seen the men playing par 5's that were less than 550 yards? Lol. Driver and mid iron? Lol.

 

[Sean2]

The pin positions would kill the women. Very few if any get enough height or spin on the ball. They would need to play 150 yards shorter on the 5s and 100 yards shorter on the 4s and 70 yards shorter on the 3s.

 

I play with an LPGA player on a fairly regular basis. I have seen her spin the ball plenty, and hit it very high too. Last year 191 yard par 3, slight wind in our face, pin tucked on the right, she hits a towering hybrid to 2.5 feet. And that is just one example. She can make that ball dance around the greens, as well as knowing when to take spin off a shot.

 

A lot of folks seem to think the women on Tour are "less than". For example, the thread asking can a 4 HI beat an LPGA Tour player. Ridiculous. When she was 14 I saw her beat a family friend (a very low single digit, 300+ yard driver of the golf ball), while playing the same tees. As an amateur she played a number of local events paired with the boys, not the girls.

 

I don't think a lot of folks realize just how good these women are.

 

Oh, and she plays blades and always has. lol

[Medic]

The pin positions would kill the women. Very few if any get enough height or spin on the ball. They would need to play 150 yards shorter on the 5s and 100 yards shorter on the 4s and 70 yards shorter on the 3s.

 

I play with an LPGA player on a fairly regular basis. I have seen her spin the ball plenty, and hit it very high too. Last year 191 yard par 3, slight wind in our face, pin tucked on the right, she hits a towering hybrid to 2.5 feet. And that is just one example. She can make that ball dance around the greens, as well as knowing when to take spin off a shot.

 

A lot of folks seem to think the women on Tour are "less than". For example, the thread asking can a 4 HI beat an LPGA Tour player. Ridiculous. When she was 14 I saw her beat a family friend (a very low single digit, 300+ yard driver of the golf ball), while playing the same tees. As an amateur she played a number of local events paired with the boys, not the girls.

 

I don't think a lot of folks realize just how good these women are.

 

Oh, and she plays blades and always has. lol

 

I played with an up and comer, Sierra Brooks. She went to Wake Forest for one year and has now left to go after her card on the LPGA.

 

She drives the ball around 260 to 270, putts like a maniac and is just a really (genuinely) nice person to be around. (Credit to her mom and dad - her dad is a friend of mine) She has a great attitude about the game and the idea of competition. She has a fire inside of her that she truly wants to be the best. And odds are she could easily beat many of the members here who aren't so sure about the skill levels of the ladies. From the same tees.

 

In my measure she has a great future ahead of her. On an incredible tour filled with EXTREMELY talented athletes she will have her hands full. Very telling how good they are considering how hard she is having to work in order to just try to keep up.

[lowheel]

What's all this talk about tucked pins? For every tough pin the men face they have two or three pussycat pins. Love when the pin is in a bowl and they can fire 10 yards over or left/right, and feed it to the hole.

 

In the past few weeks I've seen the men playing par 5's that were less than 550 yards? Lol. Driver and mid iron? Lol.

 

And the girls still wouldnt reach it in 2... thats the point

 

As for tucked pins the lpga has less forced carrys over bunkers to tucked pins, its an undeniable fact. they dont have the height or spin/speed to get those to stop unless they slow the greens. Their apex is on average 20/30 feet lower thus needing more room to stop the ball. lets not get ridiculous here claiming otherwise

[lowheel]

The pin positions would kill the women. Very few if any get enough height or spin on the ball. They would need to play 150 yards shorter on the 5s and 100 yards shorter on the 4s and 70 yards shorter on the 3s.

 

I play with an LPGA player on a fairly regular basis. I have seen her spin the ball plenty, and hit it very high too. Last year 191 yard par 3, slight wind in our face, pin tucked on the right, she hits a towering hybrid to 2.5 feet. And that is just one example. She can make that ball dance around the greens, as well as knowing when to take spin off a shot.

 

A lot of folks seem to think the women on Tour are "less than". For example, the thread asking can a 4 HI beat an LPGA Tour player. Ridiculous. When she was 14 I saw her beat a family friend (a very low single digit, 300+ yard driver of the golf ball), while playing the same tees. As an amateur she played a number of local events paired with the boys, not the girls.

 

I don't think a lot of folks realize just how good these women are.

 

Oh, and she plays blades and always has. lol

 

So case closed because she hit a hybrid to 2.5 feet on a 191 yard hole at your local track? problem is the guys are hitting 7-8 irons from that distance on hard greens. On 100 shots with a 7 iron versus 100 shots of the hybrid, what do you think the total dispersion will be in tour conditions? the answer dismantles your theory.No need to use hyperbole to defend the ladies. I believe you think theyre better than they are. Theyre great on certain length courses and certain setups other wise they have limitations beyond their control. thats why we have a champions tour. when guys get up there in age and hitting it 270 + becomes a chore theres a tour for them. Still great players but they have limitations if the courses get to long or tough. If 60 year old Bernhard Langer played 5 events in a row today on the lpga he would win all 5 by 5+ shots. thats not a knock on the girls just reality

[Argonne69]

What's all this talk about tucked pins? For every tough pin the men face they have two or three pussycat pins. Love when the pin is in a bowl and they can fire 10 yards over or left/right, and feed it to the hole.

 

In the past few weeks I've seen the men playing par 5's that were less than 550 yards? Lol. Driver and mid iron? Lol.

 

And the girls still wouldnt reach it in 2... thats the point

 

 

Your point? If the women were playing from their usual 6300 to 6600 yard range, they'd be reaching most of their par 5's in two.

[Sean2]

The pin positions would kill the women. Very few if any get enough height or spin on the ball. They would need to play 150 yards shorter on the 5s and 100 yards shorter on the 4s and 70 yards shorter on the 3s.

 

I play with an LPGA player on a fairly regular basis. I have seen her spin the ball plenty, and hit it very high too. Last year 191 yard par 3, slight wind in our face, pin tucked on the right, she hits a towering hybrid to 2.5 feet. And that is just one example. She can make that ball dance around the greens, as well as knowing when to take spin off a shot.

 

A lot of folks seem to think the women on Tour are "less than". For example, the thread asking can a 4 HI beat an LPGA Tour player. Ridiculous. When she was 14 I saw her beat a family friend (a very low single digit, 300+ yard driver of the golf ball), while playing the same tees. As an amateur she played a number of local events paired with the boys, not the girls.

 

I don't think a lot of folks realize just how good these women are.

 

Oh, and she plays blades and always has. lol

 

So case closed because she hit a hybrid to 2.5 feet on a 191 yard hole at your local track? problem is the guys are hitting 7-8 irons from that distance on hard greens. On 100 shots with a 7 iron versus 100 shots of the hybrid, what do you think the total dispersion will be in tour conditions? the answer dismantles your theory.No need to use hyperbole to defend the ladies. I believe you think theyre better than they are. Theyre great on certain length courses and certain setups other wise they have limitations beyond their control. thats why we have a champions tour. when guys get up there in age and hitting it 270 + becomes a chore theres a tour for them. Still great players but they have limitations if the courses get to long or tough. If 60 year old Bernhard Langer played 5 events in a row today on the lpga he would win all 5 by 5+ shots. thats not a knock on the girls just reality

 

Case closed? No. The reality is that these women can play golf. Are they as powerful as the men? No. But to denigrate what they can do is misguided at best, and dishonest at worst. Believe it or not, the ladies on Tour actually play golf courses with firm and fast greens.

 

Local track? Yes. A long and difficult Donald Ross designed course.

 

By the way, where was the hyperbole? Hyperbole is basically defined as an exaggerated statement or a claim not to be taken literally. No where did I engage in hyperbole.

 

I rarely see PGA Tour players hit 8-irons 191 yards. That's sounds more like hyperbole than not. lol

 

In any case, no need to respond. You have already made up your mind, and I will not try to change it. Just pointing out some factual errors in your response.

[new2g0lf]

The pin positions would kill the women. Very few if any get enough height or spin on the ball. They would need to play 150 yards shorter on the 5s and 100 yards shorter on the 4s and 70 yards shorter on the 3s.

 

I play with an LPGA player on a fairly regular basis. I have seen her spin the ball plenty, and hit it very high too. Last year 191 yard par 3, slight wind in our face, pin tucked on the right, she hits a towering hybrid to 2.5 feet. And that is just one example. She can make that ball dance around the greens, as well as knowing when to take spin off a shot.

 

A lot of folks seem to think the women on Tour are "less than". For example, the thread asking can a 4 HI beat an LPGA Tour player. Ridiculous. When she was 14 I saw her beat a family friend (a very low single digit, 300+ yard driver of the golf ball), while playing the same tees. As an amateur she played a number of local events paired with the boys, not the girls.

 

I don't think a lot of folks realize just how good these women are.

 

Oh, and she plays blades and always has. lol

 

So case closed because she hit a hybrid to 2.5 feet on a 191 yard hole at your local track? problem is the guys are hitting 7-8 irons from that distance on hard greens. On 100 shots with a 7 iron versus 100 shots of the hybrid, what do you think the total dispersion will be in tour conditions? the answer dismantles your theory.No need to use hyperbole to defend the ladies. I believe you think theyre better than they are. Theyre great on certain length courses and certain setups other wise they have limitations beyond their control. thats why we have a champions tour. when guys get up there in age and hitting it 270 + becomes a chore theres a tour for them. Still great players but they have limitations if the courses get to long or tough. If 60 year old Bernhard Langer played 5 events in a row today on the lpga he would win all 5 by 5+ shots. thats not a knock on the girls just reality

 

Case closed? No. The reality is that these women can play golf. Are they as powerful as the men? No. But to denigrate what they can do is misguided at best, and dishonest at worst. Believe it or not, the ladies on Tour actually play golf courses with firm and fast greens.

 

Local track? Yes. A long and difficult Donald Ross designed course.

 

By the way, where was the hyperbole? Hyperbole is basically defined as an exaggerated statement or a claim not to be taken literally. No where did I engage in hyperbole.

 

I rarely see PGA Tour players hit 8-irons 191 yards. That's sounds more like hyperbole than not. lol

 

In any case, no need to respond. You have already made up your mind, and I will not try to change it. Just pointing out some factual errors in your response.

 

Here's the thing, you chose to highlight a Par 3 190 yard shot where an LPGA pro you played with placed a ball within 2.5 feet of the pin using a hybrid. A 190 yard par 3 where a PGA Tour pro put it to 2.5 feet wouldn't even warrant mentioning. No one is stating the LPGA Tour isn't talented but it's really not comparable to the PGA Tour because swing speed and distance are a huge advantage.

[CCTxGolf]

I don’t think anybody is saying ladies can’t play golf or are trying to denigrate what they can do. They simply do not stand a chance against men on the PGA tour.

 

Denigrate? It is not unfair to say LPGA women can’t hit as far or high or spin it as much as a PGA man. It’s a fact.

[Mcgeeno]

I don't think anybody is saying ladies can't play golf or are trying to denigrate what they can do. They simply do not stand a chance against men on the PGA tour.

 

Denigrate? It is not unfair to say women can't hit as far or high or spin it as much as a man. It's a fact.

 

People are quick to get offended or cry foul. If you say the men would win most or all the time you "don't watch the LPGA" and "are a total misogynist" None of this is true at all.

 

Literally nobody in this thread has said the LPGA women arent amazing. Those women can play great golf anywhere from any tee.

 

That being said, the men just play a different game. I don't think this could be set up to make it super close.

 

If you trim the rough and make the pins easier, slow the greens down and make it less penalizing off the tee to "level the playing field" the PGA tour would lick their chops and dominate. With little or no trouble and a short course the top guys would flirt with breaking 60.

 

If you go with a hard setup make it long, make the course ultra tough with knee high rough, tough pins, fast greens and wiry rough just off the fringe the men handle those conditions much more regularly and the gap would widen a ton. A lot of the women in the top 10 money or world rankings average 250 off the tee. Thats a great poke, but that is likely a 225 carry drive. That means hybrids into every green all day long.

 

I would love to watch it and fully assume that some women could give a real good show though and kick a little butt.

[Shilgy]

I don't think anybody is saying ladies can't play golf or are trying to denigrate what they can do. They simply do not stand a chance against men on the PGA tour.

 

Denigrate? It is not unfair to say women can't hit as far or high or spin it as much as a man. It's a fact.

 

People are quick to get offended or cry foul. If you say the men would win most or all the time you "don't watch the LPGA" and "are a total misogynist" None of this is true at all.

 

Literally nobody in this thread has said the LPGA women arent amazing. Those women can play great golf anywhere from any tee.

 

That being said, the men just play a different game. I don't think this could be set up to make it super close.

 

If you trim the rough and make the pins easier, slow the greens down and make it less penalizing off the tee to "level the playing field" the PGA tour would lick their chops and dominate. With little or no trouble and a short course the top guys would flirt with breaking 60.

 

If you go with a hard setup make it long, make the course ultra tough with knee high rough, tough pins, fast greens and wiry rough just off the fringe the men handle those conditions much more regularly and the gap would widen a ton. A lot of the women in the top 10 money or world rankings average 250 off the tee. Thats a great poke, but that is likely a 225 carry drive. That means hybrids into every green all day long.

 

I would love to watch it and fully assume that some women could give a real good show though and kick a little butt.

If there is no setup that can accommodate the women please explain the Wendy's Three Tour results as posted earlier. Top men playing? Check. Both the seniors and ladies beating them at times? Check and check. Did the guys just not care? Wanted to just cash a check?

No one has said the ladies can beat the guys straight up. That would be as silly as someone saying a 4 cap could.... Oops never mind on that thought. :) But if a 14 year old Wie misses the cut by one at the Sony and Annika near misses at Colonial when playing the same tees please explain why with staggered tees the ladies cannot hang? Under the men's conditions that so many are citing the men struggle as well, and don't play those conditions every week. Many posts make it sound like there is no yardage Gap possible to make it even. Unless the men threw the match they did lose quite a few times in the three tour event.

[Sean2]

The pin positions would kill the women. Very few if any get enough height or spin on the ball. They would need to play 150 yards shorter on the 5s and 100 yards shorter on the 4s and 70 yards shorter on the 3s.

 

I play with an LPGA player on a fairly regular basis. I have seen her spin the ball plenty, and hit it very high too. Last year 191 yard par 3, slight wind in our face, pin tucked on the right, she hits a towering hybrid to 2.5 feet. And that is just one example. She can make that ball dance around the greens, as well as knowing when to take spin off a shot.

 

A lot of folks seem to think the women on Tour are "less than". For example, the thread asking can a 4 HI beat an LPGA Tour player. Ridiculous. When she was 14 I saw her beat a family friend (a very low single digit, 300+ yard driver of the golf ball), while playing the same tees. As an amateur she played a number of local events paired with the boys, not the girls.

 

I don't think a lot of folks realize just how good these women are.

 

Oh, and she plays blades and always has. lol

 

So case closed because she hit a hybrid to 2.5 feet on a 191 yard hole at your local track? problem is the guys are hitting 7-8 irons from that distance on hard greens. On 100 shots with a 7 iron versus 100 shots of the hybrid, what do you think the total dispersion will be in tour conditions? the answer dismantles your theory.No need to use hyperbole to defend the ladies. I believe you think theyre better than they are. Theyre great on certain length courses and certain setups other wise they have limitations beyond their control. thats why we have a champions tour. when guys get up there in age and hitting it 270 + becomes a chore theres a tour for them. Still great players but they have limitations if the courses get to long or tough. If 60 year old Bernhard Langer played 5 events in a row today on the lpga he would win all 5 by 5+ shots. thats not a knock on the girls just reality

 

Case closed? No. The reality is that these women can play golf. Are they as powerful as the men? No. But to denigrate what they can do is misguided at best, and dishonest at worst. Believe it or not, the ladies on Tour actually play golf courses with firm and fast greens.

 

Local track? Yes. A long and difficult Donald Ross designed course.

 

By the way, where was the hyperbole? Hyperbole is basically defined as an exaggerated statement or a claim not to be taken literally. No where did I engage in hyperbole.

 

I rarely see PGA Tour players hit 8-irons 191 yards. That's sounds more like hyperbole than not. lol

 

In any case, no need to respond. You have already made up your mind, and I will not try to change it. Just pointing out some factual errors in your response.

 

Here's the thing, you chose to highlight a Par 3 190 yard shot where an LPGA pro you played with placed a ball within 2.5 feet of the pin using a hybrid. A 190 yard par 3 where a PGA Tour pro put it to 2.5 feet wouldn't even warrant mentioning. No one is stating the LPGA Tour isn't talented but it's really not comparable to the PGA Tour because swing speed and distance are a huge advantage.

 

Here's the thing: that was just one example.

 

I also said, twice, that the men are more powerful players.

 

I never said the LPGA was comparable to the PGA Tour. What I did say is that the women on the LPGA Tour are extremely talented golfers, and just because they don't hit it 300 yards doesn't mean those talents should be denigrated.

 

If anything I said is unclear, please let me know, because you obviously didn't get it the first time.

[new2g0lf]

 

 

I play with an LPGA player on a fairly regular basis. I have seen her spin the ball plenty, and hit it very high too. Last year 191 yard par 3, slight wind in our face, pin tucked on the right, she hits a towering hybrid to 2.5 feet. And that is just one example. She can make that ball dance around the greens, as well as knowing when to take spin off a shot.

 

A lot of folks seem to think the women on Tour are "less than". For example, the thread asking can a 4 HI beat an LPGA Tour player. Ridiculous. When she was 14 I saw her beat a family friend (a very low single digit, 300+ yard driver of the golf ball), while playing the same tees. As an amateur she played a number of local events paired with the boys, not the girls.

 

I don't think a lot of folks realize just how good these women are.

 

Oh, and she plays blades and always has. lol

 

So case closed because she hit a hybrid to 2.5 feet on a 191 yard hole at your local track? problem is the guys are hitting 7-8 irons from that distance on hard greens. On 100 shots with a 7 iron versus 100 shots of the hybrid, what do you think the total dispersion will be in tour conditions? the answer dismantles your theory.No need to use hyperbole to defend the ladies. I believe you think theyre better than they are. Theyre great on certain length courses and certain setups other wise they have limitations beyond their control. thats why we have a champions tour. when guys get up there in age and hitting it 270 + becomes a chore theres a tour for them. Still great players but they have limitations if the courses get to long or tough. If 60 year old Bernhard Langer played 5 events in a row today on the lpga he would win all 5 by 5+ shots. thats not a knock on the girls just reality

 

Case closed? No. The reality is that these women can play golf. Are they as powerful as the men? No. But to denigrate what they can do is misguided at best, and dishonest at worst. Believe it or not, the ladies on Tour actually play golf courses with firm and fast greens.

 

Local track? Yes. A long and difficult Donald Ross designed course.

 

By the way, where was the hyperbole? Hyperbole is basically defined as an exaggerated statement or a claim not to be taken literally. No where did I engage in hyperbole.

 

I rarely see PGA Tour players hit 8-irons 191 yards. That's sounds more like hyperbole than not. lol

 

In any case, no need to respond. You have already made up your mind, and I will not try to change it. Just pointing out some factual errors in your response.

 

Here's the thing, you chose to highlight a Par 3 190 yard shot where an LPGA pro you played with placed a ball within 2.5 feet of the pin using a hybrid. A 190 yard par 3 where a PGA Tour pro put it to 2.5 feet wouldn't even warrant mentioning. No one is stating the LPGA Tour isn't talented but it's really not comparable to the PGA Tour because swing speed and distance are a huge advantage.

 

Here's the thing: that was just one example.

 

I also said, twice, that the men are more powerful players.

 

I never said the LPGA was comparable to the PGA Tour. What I did say is that the women on the LPGA Tour are extremely talented golfers, and just because they don't hit it 300 yards doesn't mean those talents should be denigrated.

 

If anything I said is unclear, please let me know, because you obviously didn't get it the first time.

 

It was one example that you seemed impressed by because it was an LPGA player, but it wouldn't be that impressive it was a PGA Tour player, do you get it?

 

No one said they weren't extremely talented, what was said they aren't as talented as the PGA Tour pro's. Long game, short game and putting the best ladies aren't as good as the best men.

[Mcgeeno]

I don't think anybody is saying ladies can't play golf or are trying to denigrate what they can do. They simply do not stand a chance against men on the PGA tour.

 

Denigrate? It is not unfair to say women can't hit as far or high or spin it as much as a man. It's a fact.

 

People are quick to get offended or cry foul. If you say the men would win most or all the time you "don't watch the LPGA" and "are a total misogynist" None of this is true at all.

 

Literally nobody in this thread has said the LPGA women arent amazing. Those women can play great golf anywhere from any tee.

 

That being said, the men just play a different game. I don't think this could be set up to make it super close.

 

If you trim the rough and make the pins easier, slow the greens down and make it less penalizing off the tee to "level the playing field" the PGA tour would lick their chops and dominate. With little or no trouble and a short course the top guys would flirt with breaking 60.

 

If you go with a hard setup make it long, make the course ultra tough with knee high rough, tough pins, fast greens and wiry rough just off the fringe the men handle those conditions much more regularly and the gap would widen a ton. A lot of the women in the top 10 money or world rankings average 250 off the tee. Thats a great poke, but that is likely a 225 carry drive. That means hybrids into every green all day long.

 

I would love to watch it and fully assume that some women could give a real good show though and kick a little butt.

If there is no setup that can accommodate the women please explain the Wendy's Three Tour results as posted earlier. Top men playing? Check. Both the seniors and ladies beating them at times? Check and check. Did the guys just not care? Wanted to just cash a check?

No one has said the ladies can beat the guys straight up. That would be as silly as someone saying a 4 cap could.... Oops never mind on that thought. :) But if a 14 year old Wie misses the cut by one at the Sony and Annika near misses at Colonial when playing the same tees please explain why with staggered tees the ladies cannot hang? Under the men's conditions that so many are citing the men struggle as well, and don't play those conditions every week. Many posts make it sound like there is no yardage Gap possible to make it even. Unless the men threw the match they did lose quite a few times in the three tour event.

 

I've never watched the 3 tour challenge so I'm sure it could be done properly. That event seems to bear out the fact that it is possible for sure.

 

Put the ladies at 6300 and the men at 7800 or something.

 

I figure the 10 best women could sneak out one win in a ryder cup style even against the 10 best men, that was the scenario at the beginning I think?

 

And as far as the 4 handicap vs LPGA pro conversation, I thought that was ridiculous from the start. I'm in the 4 handicap range and would get dusted by 5 or 10 shots no doubt in my mind.

[Argonne69]

The 2014 U.S. Open and U.S. Women's Open were held one week apart on the same course. Martin Kaymer smoked the competition by 8 strokes. T4 was +1, and T9 was +2. The women's score were only slightly worse. Michelle won it at -2. Course conditions were nearly identical, and the women had no problems hanging with the men on a very tough course.

[Shilgy]

 

 

I've never watched the 3 tour challenge so I'm sure it could be done properly. That event seems to bear out the fact that it is possible for sure.

 

Put the ladies at 6300 and the men at 7800 or something.

 

I figure the 10 best women could sneak out one win in a ryder cup style even against the 10 best men, that was the scenario at the beginning I think?

 

And as far as the 4 handicap vs LPGA pro conversation, I thought that was ridiculous from the start. I'm in the 4 handicap range and would get dusted by 5 or 10 shots no doubt in my mind.

Funny thing is your yardage example is not that far off. If the men average 290 and the women 250 we're essentially at 15%. So your 6300 for the ladies would be 7400.

[new2g0lf]

The 2014 U.S. Open and U.S. Women's Open were held one week apart on the same course. Martin Kaymer smoked the competition by 8 strokes. T4 was +1, and T9 was +2. The women's score were only slightly worse. Michelle won it at -2. Course conditions were nearly identical, and the women had no problems hanging with the men on a very tough course.

 

Here are the stats;

 

PINEHURST, N.C. – With the suspended first round of the U.S. Women’s Open completed Friday morning, the statistical summaries were complete.

The men played the first round of the U.S. Open last week on a course set up 1,074 yards longer than the women, but the men still scored on average 2½ strokes better than the women, hit more greens in regulation and made more birdies and eagles.

Here’s how the stats stack up:

Pinehurst No. 2 – First Round comparisons:

Yardage:

• U.S. Open: 7,370 yards

• U.S. Women’s Open: 6,296 yards

Scoring average:

U.S. Open: 73.23

U.S. Women’s Open: 75.83

Rounds under par:

• U.S. Open: 15

• U.S. Women’s Open: 5

Fairways hit:

• U.S. Open: 71 percent

• U.S. Women’s Open: 74 percent

Greens in regulation:

• U.S. Open: 58 percent

• U.S. Women’s Open: 52 percent

Birdies and eagles:

• U.S. Open: 309

• U.S. Women’s Open: 275

[Shilgy]

New2, that certainly proves that there is a lot more depth on the men's tour. Absolutely no doubt about that.

[Argonne69]

New2, that certainly proves that there is a lot more depth on the men's tour. Absolutely no doubt about that.

 

What about the full tournament? That's only one round. I agree, though. There's no doubt there's more depth on the PGA Tour.

 

However, the OP's original premise was a Ryder Cup style format. Can the top 10 or 12 women compete against the men?

[dhc1]

The gap between a PGA player and an LPGA player is pretty close to the gap between the LPGA and a men's 4 handicap (4-6 strokes).

 

It's not particularly close in either case but one can clearly change the course distance to make them equal (~1300 yards).

[Dave230]

If you play it from the same tees, then LPGA don't win a match, but playing from different tees, the LPGA don't win a match, really? If you put it at the appropriate tees, then I don't see why it wouldn't be a good match. If that means 1,300/1,400 yards ahead then so be it.

[hdr_ric]

The 2014 U.S. Open and U.S. Women's Open were held one week apart on the same course. Martin Kaymer smoked the competition by 8 strokes. T4 was +1, and T9 was +2. The women's score were only slightly worse. Michelle won it at -2. Course conditions were nearly identical, and the women had no problems hanging with the men on a very tough course.

 

Inbee had a hard time. Her low spin low ball flight approaches couldn't hold any greens at pinehurst. She even said so in interviews after her rounds.

[bladehunter]

What we also musn't forget is that the top mens players are a lot more athletic than back in the day when that format was played. Their power advantage has become even bigger. Add the modern, forgiving heads that allows them to go even harder at it and I cannot see how a woman would stand a chance against a guy like DJ.

The factor speed cannot be stressed enough, I think. Even if they are in the same spot in the fairway after their tee shots the man still has the advantage. He can hit a wedge where the woman would have to hit a mid iron. The man can get to a tucked pin, because he has more speed and loft helping him spin the ball etc.

But the idea of equivalent tees does not put them in the same place in the fairway. It leaves them both hitting wedge-or 7 iron- or the same club in as well. And yes the male can hit it higher with more spin etc etc etc.

 

The part I don't get is you saying they would play from 6500 and then saying " equivalent " tees. Which I think your saying so that both would be hitting same irons into greens. Those two aren't same thing. If the women play at 6500 they are going to be hitting hybrids in with men hitting 7-8 irons. The women would need to be hitting from 5500 or so to be same same if say. If that's the case then I don't see your point. We could use that logic to say that the best 8 war olds on earth could hang with the men. Just move them up to 2000 yards and let them go.

[dhc1]

The 2014 U.S. Open and U.S. Women's Open were held one week apart on the same course. Martin Kaymer smoked the competition by 8 strokes. T4 was +1, and T9 was +2. The women's score were only slightly worse. Michelle won it at -2. Course conditions were nearly identical, and the women had no problems hanging with the men on a very tough course.

 

Cmon Argonne. Course conditions weren't near "identical" and you know that. Unlike the 4 handicap thread, almost everyone here watches and respects the LPGA but it's just as silly to discuss them vis-a-vis the PGA as it is a four vs LPGA.

[Shilgy]

What we also musn't forget is that the top mens players are a lot more athletic than back in the day when that format was played. Their power advantage has become even bigger. Add the modern, forgiving heads that allows them to go even harder at it and I cannot see how a woman would stand a chance against a guy like DJ.

The factor speed cannot be stressed enough, I think. Even if they are in the same spot in the fairway after their tee shots the man still has the advantage. He can hit a wedge where the woman would have to hit a mid iron. The man can get to a tucked pin, because he has more speed and loft helping him spin the ball etc.

But the idea of equivalent tees does not put them in the same place in the fairway. It leaves them both hitting wedge-or 7 iron- or the same club in as well. And yes the male can hit it higher with more spin etc etc etc.

 

The part I don't get is you saying they would play from 6500 and then saying " equivalent " tees. Which I think your saying so that both would be hitting same irons into greens. Those two aren't same thing. If the women play at 6500 they are going to be hitting hybrids in with men hitting 7-8 irons. The women would need to be hitting from 5500 or so to be same same if say. If that's the case then I don't see your point. We could use that logic to say that the best 8 war olds on earth could hang with the men. Just move them up to 2000 yards and let them go.

Will end thread then of course. We know absolutely that the men win if playing of the same tee. You might find a fluke day not and then where the women win, they do after all shoot very low 60's at times, even 59 at 6600 yards and the men won't go that low EVERY time at 6500. But there has not been a past that I recall that said the men are not better.

[Argonne69]

The 2014 U.S. Open and U.S. Women's Open were held one week apart on the same course. Martin Kaymer smoked the competition by 8 strokes. T4 was +1, and T9 was +2. The women's score were only slightly worse. Michelle won it at -2. Course conditions were nearly identical, and the women had no problems hanging with the men on a very tough course.

 

Inbee had a hard time. Her low spin low ball flight approaches couldn't hold any greens at pinehurst. She even said so in interviews after her rounds.

 

Sure, but Inbee is a low ball hitter. Stacy, and a number of other players had no issues. Amy Yang and So Yeon were solid. Lexi and Brooke were hanging in there.

[Shilgy]

The 2014 U.S. Open and U.S. Women's Open were held one week apart on the same course. Martin Kaymer smoked the competition by 8 strokes. T4 was +1, and T9 was +2. The women's score were only slightly worse. Michelle won it at -2. Course conditions were nearly identical, and the women had no problems hanging with the men on a very tough course.

 

Inbee had a hard time. Her low spin low ball flight approaches couldn't hold any greens at pinehurst. She even said so in interviews after her rounds.

 

Sure, but Inbee is a low ball hitter. Stacy, and a number of other players had no issues. Amy Yang and So Yeon were solid. Lexi and Brooke were hanging in there.

I seem to recall guys like Trevino and others say they had no chance at Augusta because they hit it too low. He must have been awful as well. Since high with spin is such a factor for good golf.

[Argonne69]

What we also musn't forget is that the top mens players are a lot more athletic than back in the day when that format was played. Their power advantage has become even bigger. Add the modern, forgiving heads that allows them to go even harder at it and I cannot see how a woman would stand a chance against a guy like DJ.

The factor speed cannot be stressed enough, I think. Even if they are in the same spot in the fairway after their tee shots the man still has the advantage. He can hit a wedge where the woman would have to hit a mid iron. The man can get to a tucked pin, because he has more speed and loft helping him spin the ball etc.

But the idea of equivalent tees does not put them in the same place in the fairway. It leaves them both hitting wedge-or 7 iron- or the same club in as well. And yes the male can hit it higher with more spin etc etc etc.

 

The part I don't get is you saying they would play from 6500 and then saying " equivalent " tees. Which I think your saying so that both would be hitting same irons into greens. Those two aren't same thing. If the women play at 6500 they are going to be hitting hybrids in with men hitting 7-8 irons. The women would need to be hitting from 5500 or so to be same same if say. If that's the case then I don't see your point. We could use that logic to say that the best 8 war olds on earth could hang with the men. Just move them up to 2000 yards and let them go.

 

Lol. What on earth are you talking about? Do you actually watch the LPGA? They generally play from 6300 to 6600 yards. The median distance off the tee is 250 yards. They are generally hitting 7 iron or less into the par 4's, just like the men on the PGA. Most par 5's are reachable with two good shots.

[Argonne69]

The 2014 U.S. Open and U.S. Women's Open were held one week apart on the same course. Martin Kaymer smoked the competition by 8 strokes. T4 was +1, and T9 was +2. The women's score were only slightly worse. Michelle won it at -2. Course conditions were nearly identical, and the women had no problems hanging with the men on a very tough course.

 

Cmon Argonne. Course conditions weren't near "identical" and you know that. Unlike the 4 handicap thread, almost everyone here watches and respects the LPGA but it's just as silly to discuss them vis-a-vis the PGA as it is a four vs LPGA.

 

I watched both tournaments. How were they different? You think they magically grew out the greens in 4 days? You think they dumped thousands of gallons of water on the fairways and greens to soften them up? I don't think so.

 

OK, how about the Olympics? Again, same course a week apart. Did they some how radically alter the setup? The top 5 men finished -16, -14, -13, -9, and -8. The women were -16, -11, -10, -9, -9.

 

Seems pretty even to me.

[Shilgy]

The 2014 U.S. Open and U.S. Women's Open were held one week apart on the same course. Martin Kaymer smoked the competition by 8 strokes. T4 was +1, and T9 was +2. The women's score were only slightly worse. Michelle won it at -2. Course conditions were nearly identical, and the women had no problems hanging with the men on a very tough course.

 

Cmon Argonne. Course conditions weren't near "identical" and you know that. Unlike the 4 handicap thread, almost everyone here watches and respects the LPGA but it's just as silly to discuss them vis-a-vis the PGA as it is a four vs LPGA.

 

I watched both tournaments. How were they different? You think they magically grew out the greens in 4 days? You think they dumped thousands of gallons of water on the fairways and greens to soften them up? I don't think so.

The greens were slowed down a titch as I recall but the fairways were probably more baked for the gals.