Spieth will finish as a Top 10 Player All-Time

[Yuck]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

When total wins are reported, they usually do not double count events that count both as PGA tour and Euro Tour wins. (Majors, WGC) To get Rory to 29 would require some double counting.

[USAF Retired E7]

You guys are hilarious with the short putt woes. He will be fine. Same guys also said he'd never come back from the masters blowup. How's that working ?

 

He was 42nd in 2016 in strokes gained putting. 1st in 2015.

 

This year, he's 193rd. Isn't that a problem, especially at Augusta?

[Maximilian]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

When total wins are reported, they usually do not double count events that count both as PGA tour and Euro Tour wins. (Majors, WGC) To get Rory to 29 would require some double counting.

Oh, of course. Thanks

[bladehunter]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

 

Isn’t Rory a good bit older ? Shouldn’t he have more wins than he does to be the chosen one ?

[bladehunter]

You guys are hilarious with the short putt woes. He will be fine. Same guys also said he'd never come back from the masters blowup. How's that working ?

 

He was 42nd in 2016 in strokes gained putting. 1st in 2015.

 

This year, he's 193rd. Isn't that a problem, especially at Augusta?

 

 

It’s only a problem if it continues when it matters. It didn’t on the back 9 at the open. And i suspect it won’t at Augusta either. He will figure it out. His motion is his. It has never changed. And he will get his setup back where it needs to be.

[bscinstnct]

Woes, Jerry.

 

Woes!

[Tyler1putt]

Wasnt meaning to disrespect Rory I was meerly noting that for all his prowess off the tee since Speith came on the scene his record is better and Rorys iron game and especially his wedge game has not been good enough to compete at the bigegst events for a couple of years

[hdr_ric]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

 

Isnt Rory a good bit older ? Shouldnt he have more wins than he does to be the chosen one ?

 

 

Rory has 13 pga tour wins in 131 career starts, including 4 majors.

 

Spieth has 11 pga tour wins in 129 career starts including 2 majors. (Not sure if that includes his missed cut in waste management this week or not).

 

If you want to (meaningfully) compare win totals, you need to do it by starts, not age. Just like hits by at bats in baseball.

 

Rory is 4 years older (28 vs 24).

[Maximilian]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

 

Isn’t Rory a good bit older ? Shouldn’t he have more wins than he does to be the chosen one ?

I was never talking about who was "the chosen one", I was only illustrating that even a player like Rory, happens to have a few trophies at home. Look at the comment I quoted and replied to before the one you quoted.

[bladehunter]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

 

 

 

Isn’t Rory a good bit older ? Shouldn’t he have more wins than he does to be the chosen one ?

 

 

Rory has 13 pga tour wins in 131 career starts, including 4 majors.

 

Spieth has 11 pga tour wins in 129 career starts including 2 majors. (Not sure if that includes his missed cut in waste management this week or not).

 

If you want to (meaningfully) compare win totals, you need to do it by starts, not age. Just like hits by at bats in baseball.

 

Rory is 4 years older (28 vs 24).

 

Spieth has 3 majors.

 

 

My point in age is the depreciation of chances as age goes up. If two players are even in starts and wins etc then 4 years age is a big deal. Rory is 4 years behind according to those stats.

[Roadking2003]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

Six of his wins are counted as PGA Tour and Euro Tour. So only 20 between the two tours.

[Roadking2003]

Not sure what the controversy is. This thread is about Jordan ending as a Top 10. Jordan clearly does not have the firepower relative to his peers that players in any Top 10 list will have.

 

I think that's the point of disagreement. Lots of top ten lists have players who did not rely on power.

[Maximilian]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

Six of his wins are counted as PGA Tour and Euro Tour. So only 20 between the two tours.

Got it. Thanks!

[Dave230]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

 

Isn’t Rory a good bit older ? Shouldn’t he have more wins than he does to be the chosen one ?

 

 

Rory has 13 pga tour wins in 131 career starts, including 4 majors.

 

Spieth has 11 pga tour wins in 129 career starts including 2 majors. (Not sure if that includes his missed cut in waste management this week or not).

 

If you want to (meaningfully) compare win totals, you need to do it by starts, not age. Just like hits by at bats in baseball.

 

Rory is 4 years older (28 vs 24).

 

I don't think starts without any consideration for age is that fair. You're not realistically going to win regularly on the PGA Tour at 19 and that shouldn't be used against you.

 

If Spieth did what Rahm and Tiger did and spent longer in college, he'd have a great win to start record but he would still be the same golfer.

 

McIlroy would have the same situation as Spieth on the European Tour. His stats would suggest that it's easier to win on the PGA Tour than the European Tour because his stats would include performances when he was 18/19, whereas he joined the PGA Tour later.

[hdr_ric]

Actually, I guess Rory has 29, not 22 trophies. Not really sure what Wikipedia counts as "professional wins"? Rory has 13 PGA wins, 13 Euro Wins, one Asian Tour win, one Australian tour win and one "other" win. Compared to Jordan 11 PGA wins, two Australian tour wins and one "other" win.

 

 

Isnt Rory a good bit older ? Shouldnt he have more wins than he does to be the chosen one ?

 

 

Rory has 13 pga tour wins in 131 career starts, including 4 majors.

 

Spieth has 11 pga tour wins in 129 career starts including 2 majors. (Not sure if that includes his missed cut in waste management this week or not).

 

If you want to (meaningfully) compare win totals, you need to do it by starts, not age. Just like hits by at bats in baseball.

 

Rory is 4 years older (28 vs 24).

 

I don't think starts without any consideration for age is that fair. You're not realistically going to win regularly on the PGA Tour at 19 and that shouldn't be used against you.

 

If Spieth did what Rahm and Tiger did and spent longer in college, he'd have a great win to start record but he would still be the same golfer.

 

McIlroy would have the same situation as Spieth on the European Tour. His stats would suggest that it's easier to win on the PGA Tour than the European Tour because his stats would include performances when he was 18/19, whereas he joined the PGA Tour later.

 

You know tiger only spent 2 years in college right? vs Jordan’s 1 year.

 

Also, spieth DOES have a great win rate. It’s not tigers rate but so what. Spieth isn’t as good as tiger. That’s not a knock. Only 1 guy ever has been as good as tiger. Unfair to compare any of these guys to Tiger.

[Dave230]

You know tiger only spent 2 years in college right? vs Jordan’s 1 year.

 

Also, spieth DOES have a great win rate. It’s not tigers rate but so what. Spieth isn’t as good as tiger. That’s not a knock. Only 1 guy ever has been as good as tiger. Unfair to compare any of these guys to Tiger.

 

That's true, but Spieth put in around 30 professional PGA Tour events by the time he was the age Tiger turned pro. You're right that it's unfair to compare any of them to Tiger. I would say that Spieth, thanks to his Open win last year, has moved marginally ahead of McIlroy in career projections though, it's up to Rory to fight back this year and notch up a few wins and possibly a major.

[Jackhammer993]

After watching Spieth for a few holes today I have a serious concern he may have the yips. On the 14th hole at Spyglass he had about a 2.5 foot putt that he missed by about 1.5 cups. It was painful to watch. I hope this is just a short term issue and not something that will ruin his career. He is great for golf.

[Dave230]

After watching Spieth for a few holes today I have a serious concern he may have the yips. On the 14th hole at Spyglass he had about a 2.5 foot putt that he missed by about 1.5 cups. It was painful to watch. I hope this is just a short term issue and not something that will ruin his career. He is great for golf.

 

Spieth as a bad putter is a player struggling to make cuts unfortunately. If he turns a strength into a weakness then he's in trouble. But I think he'll figure it out soon enough.

[tmacgolf63]

spieth is caught right now between feel and technique..... he is a great player by way of grinding his way around when he isnt on top of his game.... just like tiger and why he won when he didnt have his A game.... spieth finds ways to win and usually that is bc he is still no matter what who you want to make a 20ft putt if someone held a gun to your head and said pick a tour pro.... he just needs to get out of his on head and go back to feel only and not get caught up in technique.... when he got caught up in technique in 2016 in his ball striking his stats went to hell and then in 2017 he went back to more feel than technique and was amazing in ball striking... spieth will win 6-10 majors and have 35+ tour wins.....easily could reach 50

[bscinstnct]

He got the short putting blues

 

Short putts be giving him the woes

 

He got the short putting blues

 

You sure don't want to be having none of those

 

 

 

[Jackhammer993]

For sure. He had a much better day today but not sure about the short putts.

[Dave230]

Even with Spieth struggling on the greens, if my life depended on it I'm taking him over Rory every day of the week.

[Jackhammer993]

I agree, Rory just doesn’t have it on the greens. He is streaky but is definitely the chink in the armour of a great talent.

[Hankshank]

For one that is going to end up top 10 all-time he aint doing too good, Spieth. Rahm seems to be doing better.

[Roadking2003]

For one that is going to end up top 10 all-time he aint doing too good, Spieth. Rahm seems to be doing better.

 

Hmmmm....... Spieth finished T20. Rohm with a final day 76 finished T26.

[jmck]

Even with Spieth struggling on the greens, if my life depended on it I'm taking him over Rory every day of the week.

 

I don't know about that, though it's certainly an interesting thought experiment. My view is Rory's never been a great putter, but he's proven that his ball striking is such that he can win without being a great putter. Spieth on the other hand......if he goes from being one of the best putters in the world to 150-200th in SG putting, well it's goodnight for him.

 

Spieth reminds me a lot of Tom Watson. A little wild off the tee, fearless scrambler, great head for the game, and expects to make everything inside of 25'. When that last bit disappeared for Watson it was game over for him. He won 36 times (8 majors) all in his first 11 years on tour as one of the best putters in the world. Then he stopped making those four footers and only won three times the rest of his career. It'd be a shame if that happens to Spieth, but it's not unprecedented.

 

Rory though, he's always stunk at putting, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

[lowheel]

Even with Spieth struggling on the greens, if my life depended on it I'm taking him over Rory every day of the week.

 

I don't know about that, though it's certainly an interesting thought experiment. My view is Rory's never been a great putter, but he's proven that his ball striking is such that he can win without being a great putter. Spieth on the other hand......if he goes from being one of the best putters in the world to 150-200th in SG putting, well it's goodnight for him.

 

Spieth reminds me a lot of Tom Watson. A little wild off the tee, fearless scrambler, great head for the game, and expects to make everything inside of 25'. When that last bit disappeared for Watson it was game over for him. He won 36 times (8 majors) all in his first 11 years on tour as one of the best putters in the world. Then he stopped making those four footers and only won three times the rest of his career. It'd be a shame if that happens to Spieth, but it's not unprecedented.

 

Rory though, he's always stunk at putting, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

 

Watson though had. Massive alcohol problem in his 30s and personal problems with his wife and what not. It wasn’t just the 4 footers being missed

 

Rory, was a confident putter at one point, streaky if you will. He has zero confidence right now.

 

Spieths short game is Phil/tiger esque . It will always keep him lurking around.

[jmck]

Even with Spieth struggling on the greens, if my life depended on it I'm taking him over Rory every day of the week.

 

I don't know about that, though it's certainly an interesting thought experiment. My view is Rory's never been a great putter, but he's proven that his ball striking is such that he can win without being a great putter. Spieth on the other hand......if he goes from being one of the best putters in the world to 150-200th in SG putting, well it's goodnight for him.

 

Spieth reminds me a lot of Tom Watson. A little wild off the tee, fearless scrambler, great head for the game, and expects to make everything inside of 25'. When that last bit disappeared for Watson it was game over for him. He won 36 times (8 majors) all in his first 11 years on tour as one of the best putters in the world. Then he stopped making those four footers and only won three times the rest of his career. It'd be a shame if that happens to Spieth, but it's not unprecedented.

 

Rory though, he's always stunk at putting, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

 

Watson though had. Massive alcohol problem in his 30s and personal problems with his wife and what not. It wasn't just the 4 footers being missed

 

Rory, was a confident putter at one point, streaky if you will. He has zero confidence right now.

 

Spieths short game is Phil/tiger esque . It will always keep him lurking around.

 

Yeah Watson kind of lost me when he got up on his high horse about Tiger's, um, marital difficulties. Talk about someone who shouldn't throw stones.....

 

Rory will be alright. He looked good in Dubai the other week. If he gets on a good streak with the putter he can lap a field. If he stinks he'll keep running up the top 5s like in Dubai (MC at 5 putts at Pebble notwithstanding).

 

Spieth. I don't know. Dude knows how to win, I'll certainly give him that, but he's looked very shaky over those four footers lately. That's bad new for someone his age who has relied on being a phenomenal putter since day one. You could see it coming last spring when he was trying out different putters Monday through Wednesday. Bad bad sign there.

 

Putting these three guys aside for a moment, generally speaking power and ballstriking age a lot better than putting, at least IMO.

[lowheel]

Even with Spieth struggling on the greens, if my life depended on it I'm taking him over Rory every day of the week.

 

I don't know about that, though it's certainly an interesting thought experiment. My view is Rory's never been a great putter, but he's proven that his ball striking is such that he can win without being a great putter. Spieth on the other hand......if he goes from being one of the best putters in the world to 150-200th in SG putting, well it's goodnight for him.

 

Spieth reminds me a lot of Tom Watson. A little wild off the tee, fearless scrambler, great head for the game, and expects to make everything inside of 25'. When that last bit disappeared for Watson it was game over for him. He won 36 times (8 majors) all in his first 11 years on tour as one of the best putters in the world. Then he stopped making those four footers and only won three times the rest of his career. It'd be a shame if that happens to Spieth, but it's not unprecedented.

 

Rory though, he's always stunk at putting, so he's got that going for him, which is nice.

 

Watson though had. Massive alcohol problem in his 30s and personal problems with his wife and what not. It wasn't just the 4 footers being missed

 

Rory, was a confident putter at one point, streaky if you will. He has zero confidence right now.

 

Spieths short game is Phil/tiger esque . It will always keep him lurking around.

 

Yeah Watson kind of lost me when he got up on his high horse about Tiger's, um, marital difficulties. Talk about someone who shouldn't throw stones.....

 

Rory will be alright. He looked good in Dubai the other week. If he gets on a good streak with the putter he can lap a field. If he stinks he'll keep running up the top 5s like in Dubai (MC at 5 putts at Pebble notwithstanding).

 

Spieth. I don't know. Dude knows how to win, I'll certainly give him that, but he's looked very shaky over those four footers lately. That's bad new for someone his age who has relied on being a phenomenal putter since day one. You could see it coming last spring when he was trying out different putters Monday through Wednesday. Bad bad sign there.

 

Putting these three guys aside for a moment, generally speaking power and ballstriking age a lot better than putting, at least IMO.

 

I believe Watson only really gave him grief about his on course behaviour. I’ll take Jordan at his word when he says he’s having a hard time setting up to his shorter putts. Ask any pro setup gets off a little you start mishitting putts and missing them in a different way, you know somethings up. When you practice a little and it clicks look out. Rory looks scared on the greens, it’s obvious. Jordan doesn’t. Let’s not forget it’s poa, the worst grass to consistently putt on. It’s hyper sensitive to spike marks and traffic. Lots of players missed a ton of short putts this week so I’m not worried. I suspect he’s on the cusp of going on a run.

[Darth Putter]

Pebble Beach may be the hardest course in the world to make short putts. Tom Watson missed a birdie putt inside Scott Hoch range on #7 in the final round of the 1982 US Open.