National Custom Works Official Thread

[National Custom Works]

Erstwhile on Instagram...

 

Pics of the first finished samples of our new longer blade......and a ferrule naming contest.

[BCULAW]

So pumped to see you guys putting such great gear out again! Congrats on the new venture and best of luck!!! Can't wait to get in touch to work on an order!!

[National Custom Works]

Updates from the IG feed.

[wmblake2000]

Will you guys also produce cb’s - or just blades?

[National Custom Works]

Will you guys also produce cb’s - or just blades?

There are currently 2 cavity models (one small and another larger)available for projects.

 

Please feel free to shoot an email to either of the addresses listed in our signature if you'd like to discuss having something made.

[wmblake2000]

Nice. Ok will do.

[3_Jack_Par]

Wow! I'd been wondering what I'd do when my SB-1s wear out, and now I'm pretty sure I know. Congrats, guys!

[3_Jack_Par]

 

 

 

 

 

The top two links are a couple of the designs that I think are among the most aesthetically pleasing (almost all of them are pretty as hell), and I'm curious how the position of the muscle/diamond affects performance compared to the third picture, which looks to be fairly close in design to the SB-1s that I currently play and love. I would assume that having that mass higher on the head in the first two would result in lower launch? The diamondback design would probably be a bit less forgiving on heel and toe strikes, I would imagine. Am I on the right track here?

[FirePro]

I have asked this in a previous thread but not sure that it was answered so I will ask here. I assume this is dependent on your blanks but would it be possible to design something in the realm of the old Ping eye 2 heads in a slightly smaller head size, little to now offiset, peaked toe, thinner topline and thinner sole? removing weight from the sole and moving it up into the hitting area would probably be desirable as well for better feel and lower launch but I would leave that up to the pros

 

everything you guys seem to create are functional works of art, I look forward to seeing more

[National Custom Works]

 

 

 

 

The top two links are a couple of the designs that I think are among the most aesthetically pleasing (almost all of them are pretty as hell), and I'm curious how the position of the muscle/diamond affects performance compared to the third picture, which looks to be fairly close in design to the SB-1s that I currently play and love. I would assume that having that mass higher on the head in the first two would result in lower launch? The diamondback design would probably be a bit less forgiving on heel and toe strikes, I would imagine. Am I on the right track here?

 

The diamonds launch the lowest of those three. They're solid as anything if you hit them on the button or even a touch high, but heel or toe don't really yield great results.

 

Middle muscle is mid COG, but that set is somewhat progressive at the bottom (short irons) and the COG shifts a little higher. Mass in this muscle puts COG pretty close to directly behind the ball. I've found these to be a nice happy medium between a high COG like the diamonds or the reverse muscle (think Mac 925/945/985) and something low like the last set you mentioned. These in particular were pattered after Hogan's '53 Triple Crown set but the muscle is about twice as wide.

 

Set on the bottom is going to be the most generous of the 3. It has the most weight towards the bottom so will launch the highest and be more forgiving on thin misses. You can't see it well in pictures but there's a slight cavity between the top of the muscle and the ribbon of material rimming the topline to keep as much weight low as possible.

 

Those are also probably three of our most popular designs.

 

On the other side there are muscle patterns that shift throughout; low in long irons, middle in mid irons and high in short irons.

[National Custom Works]

I have asked this in a previous thread but not sure that it was answered so I will ask here. I assume this is dependent on your blanks but would it be possible to design something in the realm of the old Ping eye 2 heads in a slightly smaller head size, little to now offiset, peaked toe, thinner topline and thinner sole? removing weight from the sole and moving it up into the hitting area would probably be desirable as well for better feel and lower launch but I would leave that up to the pros

 

everything you guys seem to create are functional works of art, I look forward to seeing more

 

The one limitation of how we manufacture clubs is the raw starting point. We can take plenty of material away but you can't really add it back.

 

Unfortunately, none of the heads we currently work with are going to be high enough in the toe to accomplish the aesthetic you have in mind.

 

If that ever changes, just keep an eye on this thread. I'll be posting most projects and up to date information as it becomes available.

[3_Jack_Par]

 

 

 

 

The top two links are a couple of the designs that I think are among the most aesthetically pleasing (almost all of them are pretty as hell), and I'm curious how the position of the muscle/diamond affects performance compared to the third picture, which looks to be fairly close in design to the SB-1s that I currently play and love. I would assume that having that mass higher on the head in the first two would result in lower launch? The diamondback design would probably be a bit less forgiving on heel and toe strikes, I would imagine. Am I on the right track here?

 

The diamonds launch the lowest of those three. They're solid as anything if you hit them on the button or even a touch high, but heel or toe don't really yield great results.

 

Middle muscle is mid COG, but that set is somewhat progressive at the bottom (short irons) and the COG shifts a little higher. Mass in this muscle puts COG pretty close to directly behind the ball. I've found these to be a nice happy medium between a high COG like the diamonds or the reverse muscle (think Mac 925/945/985) and something low like the last set you mentioned. These in particular were pattered after Hogan's '53 Triple Crown set but the muscle is about twice as wide.

 

Set on the bottom is going to be the most generous of the 3. It has the most weight towards the bottom so will launch the highest and be more forgiving on thin misses. You can't see it well in pictures but there's a slight cavity between the top of the muscle and the ribbon of material rimming the topline to keep as much weight low as possible.

 

Those are also probably three of our most popular designs.

 

On the other side there are muscle patterns that shift throughout; low in long irons, middle in mid irons and high in short irons.

Awesome, thanks for the primer -- I believe in my standard (non Tour department) SB-1s, the muscle moves higher in the shorter irons for trajectory control, and I find that they give me pretty close to ideal trajectory throughout the set. I'd be curious to test some other designs to see how that impacted ball flight. Do you guys have plans to have any kind of demo/testing/fitting options for people who may not know exactly what is the best fit for them, in blade design, sole grind and shaft, or are you expecting that your customers will be coming to you with that figured out beforehand?

[FirePro]

I have asked this in a previous thread but not sure that it was answered so I will ask here. I assume this is dependent on your blanks but would it be possible to design something in the realm of the old Ping eye 2 heads in a slightly smaller head size, little to now offiset, peaked toe, thinner topline and thinner sole? removing weight from the sole and moving it up into the hitting area would probably be desirable as well for better feel and lower launch but I would leave that up to the pros

 

everything you guys seem to create are functional works of art, I look forward to seeing more

 

The one limitation of how we manufacture clubs is the raw starting point. We can take plenty of material away but you can't really add it back.

 

Unfortunately, none of the heads we currently work with are going to be high enough in the toe to accomplish the aesthetic you have in mind.

 

If that ever changes, just keep an eye on this thread. I'll be posting most projects and up to date information as it becomes available.

when you do start grinding is much taken from the toe at all or are they pretty much set? I would be ok with a club that was inspired by the design of the Ping Eye 2 even. just curious. I have an enormous amount of respect for had crafted anything. Keep up the good fight

[sheppy335]

I need a tissue after looking at those clubs, they are DAMN sexy!!!! Good luck guys.

[tips09]

I need to stay away from this thread those wedges are amazing. Looks awesome

[buckeyefl]

Look great

[National Custom Works]

 

 

 

 

The top two links are a couple of the designs that I think are among the most aesthetically pleasing (almost all of them are pretty as hell), and I'm curious how the position of the muscle/diamond affects performance compared to the third picture, which looks to be fairly close in design to the SB-1s that I currently play and love. I would assume that having that mass higher on the head in the first two would result in lower launch? The diamondback design would probably be a bit less forgiving on heel and toe strikes, I would imagine. Am I on the right track here?

 

The diamonds launch the lowest of those three. They're solid as anything if you hit them on the button or even a touch high, but heel or toe don't really yield great results.

 

Middle muscle is mid COG, but that set is somewhat progressive at the bottom (short irons) and the COG shifts a little higher. Mass in this muscle puts COG pretty close to directly behind the ball. I've found these to be a nice happy medium between a high COG like the diamonds or the reverse muscle (think Mac 925/945/985) and something low like the last set you mentioned. These in particular were pattered after Hogan's '53 Triple Crown set but the muscle is about twice as wide.

 

Set on the bottom is going to be the most generous of the 3. It has the most weight towards the bottom so will launch the highest and be more forgiving on thin misses. You can't see it well in pictures but there's a slight cavity between the top of the muscle and the ribbon of material rimming the topline to keep as much weight low as possible.

 

Those are also probably three of our most popular designs.

 

On the other side there are muscle patterns that shift throughout; low in long irons, middle in mid irons and high in short irons.

Awesome, thanks for the primer -- I believe in my standard (non Tour department) SB-1s, the muscle moves higher in the shorter irons for trajectory control, and I find that they give me pretty close to ideal trajectory throughout the set. I'd be curious to test some other designs to see how that impacted ball flight. Do you guys have plans to have any kind of demo/testing/fitting options for people who may not know exactly what is the best fit for them, in blade design, sole grind and shaft, or are you expecting that your customers will be coming to you with that figured out beforehand?

 

Those heads were progressive COG, it was pretty noticeable when you had a long and short iron next to each other. The difference in weight between those raw heads and the flatbacks raws is pretty crazy; there's around 4x the amount of weight to play with so we can push how progressive they are to extremes.

 

We have a pretty extensive consultation process to determine grind, shape, offset, trajectory bias, muscle shape and go through all the imaginable details. Me and Ari have been successfully working with customers remotely for over a decade. At some point I see the two of us having a couple fitting carts for in person fittings, but there probably won't be a network of fitters or something grandiose.

 

Generally if a client isn't sure of his/her specifications I'll refer them to someone in their area that can help them figure out their basic specifications along with shaft and grip before diving into the order. Once someone knows those details we can figure everything else out depending on the individual client's wants/needs.

[National Custom Works]

I have asked this in a previous thread but not sure that it was answered so I will ask here. I assume this is dependent on your blanks but would it be possible to design something in the realm of the old Ping eye 2 heads in a slightly smaller head size, little to now offiset, peaked toe, thinner topline and thinner sole? removing weight from the sole and moving it up into the hitting area would probably be desirable as well for better feel and lower launch but I would leave that up to the pros

 

everything you guys seem to create are functional works of art, I look forward to seeing more

 

The one limitation of how we manufacture clubs is the raw starting point. We can take plenty of material away but you can't really add it back.

 

Unfortunately, none of the heads we currently work with are going to be high enough in the toe to accomplish the aesthetic you have in mind.

 

If that ever changes, just keep an eye on this thread. I'll be posting most projects and up to date information as it becomes available.

when you do start grinding is much taken from the toe at all or are they pretty much set? I would be ok with a club that was inspired by the design of the Ping Eye 2 even. just curious. I have an enormous amount of respect for had crafted anything. Keep up the good fight

 

Depends on the shape the customer requests, some shapes (particularly extremes of square/round) require a bit of work/weight to accomplish.

 

If you're not looking for an exact copy, hypothetically we could leave the large cavity model's toe peak as high as possible, straighten out the toplines, cut a notch in the crotch, and leave the toe fat up top. Then you'd have something relatively close aesthetics wise with enough weight left over to get the proper sole grind cut in as well.

[National Custom Works]

We get some interesting requests. One of our clients has had a pretty anonymous wedge in his bag forever and needed a copy made.

 

Rather than send the club, he took the time to make a plastic model and sent it for reference (high bar set for future clients). Obviously our raw head isn't quite the exact shape but all the important details are spot on.

 

Did I also mention it's about 12g light of what would normally considered standard weight per the customer's specifications?

[National Custom Works]

Clean and simple...

[Ivyguy]

Damn

[FairwayFred]

Preview pic of my new set. 4-6 TM 790. 7-P National Custom Works blades, 52/58 wedges. Pair lengths. Cannot wait to get them in play.

[Golfingfanatic]

I saw those on Will Peoples‘ Instagram. They look amazing

[Boiler0007]

Nice. Will you sell iron heads, or just assembled clubs? Thanks

[National Custom Works]

Nice. Will you sell iron heads, or just assembled clubs? Thanks

 

Currently everything is offered as raw ground, head only.

 

We do some work with Will though if the client requests assembly.

[FairwayFred]

Finished pics of my new irons.

 

Special thanks to Will Peoples for the flawless build! You da man Will!

[Kingcat990]

Dibs if you sell em :)

[EaglesGolf99]

Dibs if you sell em :)

 

LMAO!

[mbrown1833]

hot damn Ari

[beezer10]

Clean and simple...

 

Clean and simple...Just like me!

 

Got these today Patrick. I’m blown away. The pics don’t do them justice. Got to test them a bit amazing feel and I think we got close on the grind. You are getting an email shortly about an iron build.