Maltby TS2

[Cwebb]

3 hours ago, Snowman9000 said:

 

I think a low COG launches higher with less spin, at least in drivers.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I feel I get pretty good spin out of my TS2's, and they have a higher COG.  So that would check out.

 

Irons and wedges do not have gear effect.  So all else equal, a lower AVCOG will tend to promote a higher flight.  The "all else equal" part includes that the player is striking it at the same height on the face when comparing, which of course doesn't always happen for various reasons

[Cwebb]

56 minutes ago, ode said:

There may be other factors for sure! TE is easily the highest launching / flight / spinning iron I've ever played....I had a duel that year between the Wishon 560MC and TE, same shaft, same grip, same weight.  TE high floaty/spinny flight.  560MC were what I would call normal flight/spin.  Lofts are almost identical other that 0.5* in the PW and 1* in the GW with the the TE being stronger.  TE definitely NOT a low spin iron.

 

Yes, your experience lines up with many others.  The TE has an AVCOG of .675" vs the Wishon 560 that was measured at .784".   Both are solid face forged cavity backs

Edited February 22, 2023 by Cwebb

[ode1]

59 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

Yes, your experience lines up with many others.  The TE has an AVCOG of .675" vs the Wishon 560 that was measured at .784".   Both are solid face forged cavity backs

Both felt great...give the slight nod to the TE in feel, with overall playability to the 560MC.  Both forgiving forged CB!

[azgreg]

7 hours ago, 5 O'Clock Charlie said:

Hard to argue with the consistency and dispersion of the TE.

 

Yep. That's why they're staying in my bag.

 

[Popeye64]

Came off the tug boat today and pretty much went right to the Sim to get in a league round. 

I brought the entire set of TS3s.  Played very well with a -2 for nine holes but did have an issue. I was a half club long nearly the entire round. 

I'm moving through the ball so well that I'm just crushing the ball. The extremely smooth feel as you strike the ball is really influencing me to complete my move to the left side, and aggressively at that. 

It's a truly satisfying feel as the ball compresses. Seems to just explode off the face. 

I'm definitely going to stay with the S flex 105 shafts. They worked so darn well. 

I felt these to be very confidence inspiring and that was fueled by the feel. 

I cant wait to get these in play outdoors. 

 

My step son was my playing partner. He was commenting how hard the ball was pounding the screen. When you step back and watch someone swing the sound of a crushed iron into the screen is unmistakable. 

Edited February 23, 2023 by Popeye64

[azgreg]

20 hours ago, pozzit said:

Were there specs or pictures shared if that? I've heard it mentioned but no actual details. 

 

Here's all Britt has said at Golfwork's forum:

 

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The new TE+ and DBM+ forged irons will look very much like the current cosmetically, but with what we would consider a modernized profile and specifications.  They will be a Players Tour Cavity Back iron.  They should fit nicely into the line-up with the TS4’s.

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The place holder for it was briefly on the site, but not now.  We are working on the TE+ and the plan is for a DBM version.  It will be a 2024 model.  No more details at this time except that it will look similar to the original, but with more modern specifications.  I will give more details later in the year.  Also, thanks for the kind comments on the new product.  It does look good if I do say so myself.  Very excited about the new product, looks and performance.

 

[Gdashoff]

4 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

Came off the tug boat today and pretty much went right to the Sim to get in a league round. 

I brought the entire set of TS3s.  Played very well with a -2 for nine holes but did have an issue. I was a half club long nearly the entire round. 

I'm moving through the ball so well that I'm just crushing the ball. The extremely smooth feel as you strike the ball is really influencing me to complete my move to the left side, and aggressively at that. 

It's a truly satisfying feel as the ball compresses. Seems to just explode off the face. 

I'm definitely going to stay with the S flex 105 shafts. They worked so darn well. 

I felt these to be very confidence inspiring and that was fueled by the feel. 

I cant wait to get these in play outdoors. 

 

A half club longer than the Ke4 max?

[Popeye64]

Just now, Gdashoff said:

 

A half club longer than the Ke4 max?

Yes. A half club longer than my gamer KE4s. But you have to realize how well I was striking the ball. I know my distances from all the testing I do. So normally I know exactly how far an iron will go. The feel and performance just had me taking it a gear higher. 

So in truth the added performance was generated by me. 

[gdb99]

Here we go again, all these new Maltby models...

 

It would be a lot easier if I lived closer to Ohio! 🤪

 

I'm so tired of looking at new equipment, but I can't help myself. I have bought and sold so many iron sets this winter. I actually sold everything, and am back playing my old Callaway X-14 set, and hitting then pretty well. Damn it! -6 thru 15 holes (with a double) at Spyglass last night with the indoor league. Haven't been anywhere near that all season...

I'm coming around to the thought that I am not that good an iron player, 😂 and should play a forgiving iron. I would love to play something like the new TS4, but as soon as I hit one bad shot, I know I would be looking for another shovel. I like looking at a lot of club face by the ball. And, despite what everyone tells me I should be playing, big is beautiful. I need to embrace it!

 

I keep thinking about ordering a KE4 Max head... Big, forgiving, but with less offset than the X-14's...

 

Until then, I will be tuning into everyone's testing results and picture comparisons! 👍

[iamlowsound]

7 hours ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Various evidence suggests the hollow clubheads produce less spin than the classic CBs that lack the face flexing to produce speed.  My guess is your spin issues are due to this.

 

While that is the case, the TS1 irons spin a lot more than other hollow irons. With other hollow irons I'm around iron number in thousands less 1,500 for spin (7i would be 5,500ish) while the TS1 irons have me around minus 500 (7i is 6,500ish). Plus they have a really good decent angle so it helps me hold greens well and I don't lose any distance. 

[SE Gamer]

1 hour ago, gdb99 said:

Here we go again, all these new Maltby models...

 

It would be a lot easier if I lived closer to Ohio! 🤪

 

I'm so tired of looking at new equipment, but I can't help myself. I have bought and sold so many iron sets this winter. I actually sold everything, and am back playing my old Callaway X-14 set, and hitting then pretty well. Damn it! -6 thru 15 holes (with a double) at Spyglass last night with the indoor league. Haven't been anywhere near that all season...

I'm coming around to the thought that I am not that good an iron player, 😂 and should play a forgiving iron. I would love to play something like the new TS4, but as soon as I hit one bad shot, I know I would be looking for another shovel. I like looking at a lot of club face by the ball. And, despite what everyone tells me I should be playing, big is beautiful. I need to embrace it!

 

I keep thinking about ordering a KE4 Max head... Big, forgiving, but with less offset than the X-14's...

 

Until then, I will be tuning into everyone's testing results and picture comparisons! 👍

 

If you're a 5, you likely are a good enough iron player. But I think your observation should be much more prevalent. It seems like the common thought is to play the most demanding irons/shaft/etc. you can manage. But that really makes little sense. Instead, maybe you should play the most forgiving head, softest shaft, etc that you can manage. 

Game improvement type irons aren't going to suddenly turn an 18 hdcp into scratch. But they very well may take a 5 hdcp to scratch. As I really think the people that have the most to gain from PD/GI type irons is your mid-low single digit players. Guys that strike the ball fairly consistently. Don't have massive misses. But would really benefit from the slight misses being far less punishing than blades.

 

I'm going to test this idea this year. Play to around scratch. Have played blades for 15+ years. Went with a PD set and highly suspect they'll be nothing but upside. 

[SE Gamer]

2 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

Yes. A half club longer than my gamer KE4s. But you have to realize how well I was striking the ball. I know my distances from all the testing I do. So normally I know exactly how far an iron will go. The feel and performance just had me taking it a gear higher. 

So in truth the added performance was generated by me. 

 

As I've been reading your reviews/experiences with the TS3, I have wondered if the praise and performance can be partially attributed to you romanticizing the irons. Not to say they aren't a solid offering. But that they just visually check a lot of boxes for you. So you put better swings on them.

 

This isn't an uncommon thing in golf. And cuts both ways. There are plenty of die hard "big name" brand guys that could easily play Maltby's offerings. But if given the chance to hit them, would likely go in with a preconceived notion that they wouldn't hit them as well. And likely, as a result, not hit them as well.

[Cwebb]

39 minutes ago, iamlowsound said:

While that is the case, the TS1 irons spin a lot more than other hollow irons. With other hollow irons I'm around iron number in thousands less 1,500 for spin (7i would be 5,500ish) while the TS1 irons have me around minus 500 (7i is 6,500ish). Plus they have a really good decent angle so it helps me hold greens well and I don't lose any distance. 

 

and not coincidentally, the TS1 have a lower AVCOG than most hollow iron designs

[Bryceslu]

15 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

If you're a 5, you likely are a good enough iron player. But I think your observation should be much more prevalent. It seems like the common thought is to play the most demanding irons/shaft/etc. you can manage. But that really makes little sense. Instead, maybe you should play the most forgiving head, softest shaft, etc that you can manage. 

Game improvement type irons aren't going to suddenly turn an 18 hdcp into scratch. But they very well may take a 5 hdcp to scratch. As I really think the people that have the most to gain from PD/GI type irons is your mid-low single digit players. Guys that strike the ball fairly consistently. Don't have massive misses. But would really benefit from the slight misses being far less punishing than blades.

 

I'm going to test this idea this year. Play to around scratch. Have played blades for 15+ years. Went with a PD set and highly suspect they'll be nothing but upside. 

This is exactly where I am at as well and agree 100% for myself. I could play anything…but what brought me to maltby is the idea that I can play a good looking iron that helps my misses. I don’t really gain anything from a less forgiving iron. The idea is you gain workability…but I’ll take a straight and forgiving club all day.

I certainly have more to gain from extra forgiveness and that has been my new quest in looking for a set of irons. 

[SE Gamer]

26 minutes ago, Bryceslu said:

This is exactly where I am at as well and agree 100% for myself. I could play anything…but what brought me to maltby is the idea that I can play a good looking iron that helps my misses. I don’t really gain anything from a less forgiving iron. The idea is you gain workability…but I’ll take a straight and forgiving club all day.

I certainly have more to gain from extra forgiveness and that has been my new quest in looking for a set of irons. 

 

You'd think this realization would be more common. But it seems there's some odd infatuation with being able to say stuff like, "I play baby blades with 170g TX shafts, quadruple hard stepped". It's like a street cred thing. 

I played a Rombax X in my prior driver. Recent one I went to a S flex, and have seen zero downside. Same for my 3w, which was traditionally an S flex. Went with an R that's also a bit lighter. And actually am hitting it much better. Have always found the 3 wood to be the most demanding club, and going with a softer setup seems to really help. Latest irons I stuck with S flex. But I could arguably be playing X there as well. 

 

Bottom line, when you think about it, it seems silly to set up your bag with equipment that's the most demanding on your swing. No matter your skill level. Your equipment instead seems like it'd be better suited to help enhance your swing, even when you're not swinging your best.

[Bryceslu]

2 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

You'd think this realization would be more common. But it seems there's some odd infatuation with being able to say stuff like, "I play baby blades with 170g TX shafts, quadruple hard stepped". It's like a street cred thing. 

I played a Rombax X in my prior driver. Recent one I went to a S flex, and have seen zero downside. Same for my 3w, which was traditionally an S flex. Went with an R that's also a bit lighter. And actually am hitting it much better. Have always found the 3 wood to be the most demanding club, and going with a softer setup seems to really help. Latest irons I stuck with S flex. But I could arguably be playing X there as well. 

 

Bottom line, when you think about it, it seems silly to set up your bag with equipment that's the most demanding on your swing. No matter your skill level. Your equipment instead seems like it'd be better suited to help enhance your swing, even when you're not swinging your best.

Couldn’t have said it better myself!

It could be that I’m older and wiser these days too.
I care more about how my equipment can help me…and less about showing how great I am that I’m successfully playing the hardest to pure clubs. 
I’m not sure how I feel about going down a flex though. Haven’t really looked into it or tried it myself. Been playing stiff my whole life…my fittings all tell me to go X. I feel like the less flexing I have the more consistent I’ll be. Not sure that actually follows any sort of physics though lol. 

[Popeye64]

1 hour ago, SE Gamer said:

 

As I've been reading your reviews/experiences with the TS3, I have wondered if the praise and performance can be partially attributed to you romanticizing the irons. Not to say they aren't a solid offering. But that they just visually check a lot of boxes for you. So you put better swings on them.

 

This isn't an uncommon thing in golf. And cuts both ways. There are plenty of die hard "big name" brand guys that could easily play Maltby's offerings. But if given the chance to hit them, would likely go in with a preconceived notion that they wouldn't hit them as well. And likely, as a result, not hit them as well.

I've said all along that this design would be my blank page iron design, if I had input into a new head design. 

Yes the looks alone check all of the boxes. But let's look at an iron design that doesn't check my boxes. The KE4 Max. A design that I never would have considered. Yet over other designs that are to my choosing, TS-1, TS-2. In a way I had struggled with those heads. My scores and play wasn't my best. Yet the KE4 Max just did everything I asked. It easily made my game much more enjoyable and I scored very well. An iron that i had zero interest in from a build perspective. I've bagged a full set of TS-1s, a full set of TS-2s, blended sets of the two but always had nagging issues in play. Maybe it was an odd ball flight or a lack of true feel. Unable to consistently hit the sweet spot in play. I had built and sold a few sets of TS-1s. Trying to get just the right combination but never quite did... and there was a lot of combinations. 

So along come the TS3s. It's very early with these heads and today's round comes from not hitting a ball in over two weeks. I stepped in and simply crushed the ball with supreme confidence. 

 

So long story short I'm sure I could be romantically involved with a Forged Progressive Cavity Back iron. There I've said it!! Just saying that out loud has my inards tingling. Maybe it's love. 

All jokes aside the KE4 Max is not for me on a sheet of paper, yet it had my handicap plummeting in a good direction. The TS3 with its solid forging has shown some great early results. It was the only iron in my hand today. Maybe today's round would have been identical had I been playing my KE4s. 

I will continue to put these through thier paces, head to head with the other designs. Hopefully outdoors if the weather cooperates. 

Hope that all made sense. 

[gioreeko]

17 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

I've said all along that this design would be my blank page iron design, if I had input into a new head design. 

Yes the looks alone check all of the boxes. But let's look at an iron design that doesn't check my boxes. The KE4 Max. A design that I never would have considered. Yet over other designs that are to my choosing, TS-1, TS-2. In a way I had struggled with those heads. My scores and play wasn't my best. Yet the KE4 Max just did everything I asked. It easily made my game much more enjoyable and I scored very well. An iron that i had zero interest in from a build perspective. I've bagged a full set of TS-1s, a full set of TS-2s, blended sets of the two but always had nagging issues in play. Maybe it was an odd ball flight or a lack of true feel. Unable to consistently hit the sweet spot in play. I had built and sold a few sets of TS-1s. Trying to get just the right combination but never quite did... and there was a lot of combinations. 

So along come the TS3s. It's very early with these heads and today's round comes from not hitting a ball in over two weeks. I stepped in and simply crushed the ball with supreme confidence. 

 

So long story short I'm sure I could be romantically involved with a Forged Progressive Cavity Back iron. There I've said it!! Just saying that out loud has my inards tingling. Maybe it's love. 

All jokes aside the KE4 Max is not for me on a sheet of paper, yet it had my handicap plummeting in a good direction. The TS3 with its solid forging has shown some great early results. It was the only iron in my hand today. Maybe today's round would have been identical had I been playing my KE4s. 

I will continue to put these through thier paces, head to head with the other designs. Hopefully outdoors if the weather cooperates. 

Hope that all made sense. 

are you playing the Xcaliber Rapid taper 105's in the different heads? I need to try one I think, maybe an S flex for when it's colder out, as I play X flex MMT 125 right now. I put the Xcaliber TS ultra lightweight in my driver after trying a really whippy Pro Launch Blue senior flex to try as a poor man's Autoflex, and it was fun, and a good tempo builder, but put the Xcaliber in and am just booming drives. Would like to see what Robin cooked up in iron shaft designs 

[SE Gamer]

22 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

I've said all along that this design would be my blank page iron design, if I had input into a new head design. 

Yes the looks alone check all of the boxes. But let's look at an iron design that doesn't check my boxes. The KE4 Max. A design that I never would have considered. Yet over other designs that are to my choosing, TS-1, TS-2. In a way I had struggled with those heads. My scores and play wasn't my best. Yet the KE4 Max just did everything I asked. It easily made my game much more enjoyable and I scored very well. An iron that i had zero interest in from a build perspective. I've bagged a full set of TS-1s, a full set of TS-2s, blended sets of the two but always had nagging issues in play. Maybe it was an odd ball flight or a lack of true feel. Unable to consistently hit the sweet spot in play. I had built and sold a few sets of TS-1s. Trying to get just the right combination but never quite did... and there was a lot of combinations. 

So along come the TS3s. It's very early with these heads and today's round comes from not hitting a ball in over two weeks. I stepped in and simply crushed the ball with supreme confidence. 

 

So long story short I'm sure I could be romantically involved with a Forged Progressive Cavity Back iron. There I've said it!! Just saying that out loud has my inards tingling. Maybe it's love. 

All jokes aside the KE4 Max is not for me on a sheet of paper, yet it had my handicap plummeting in a good direction. The TS3 with its solid forging has shown some great early results. It was the only iron in my hand today. Maybe today's round would have been identical had I been playing my KE4s. 

I will continue to put these through thier paces, head to head with the other designs. Hopefully outdoors if the weather cooperates. 

Hope that all made sense. 

 

Yep. It does. And hope my comment didn't come across as critical.

 

Just an observation of something I think all of us experience in life. Certain things just crank your shaft, lol. And in a hypothetical where all other things are equal, we tend to enjoy the things that give us the fizz.

[Popeye64]

2 minutes ago, gioreeko said:

are you playing the Xcaliber Rapid taper 105's in the different heads? I need to try one I think, maybe an S flex for when it's colder out, as I play X flex MMT 125 right now. I put the Xcaliber TS ultra lightweight in my driver after trying a really whippy Pro Launch Blue senior flex to try as a poor man's Autoflex, and it was fun, and a good tempo builder, but put the Xcaliber in and am just booming drives. Would like to see what Robin cooked up in iron shaft designs 

Yes all heads have a 105 g RT shaft. Only the STi2 had a 75 g version. 

They are  setup very close to one another. Trying to eliminate variables. 

[gioreeko]

54 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

Yes all heads have a 105 g RT shaft. Only the STi2 had a 75 g version. 

They are  setup very close to one another. Trying to eliminate variables. 

have you had a chance to hit the MMT at all? if yes, how does the RT compare?

[Therty]

I’ve reshafted and reweighted my TS-1 7i for another comparison off grass later this week. Should be interesting.

 

popeye something im thinking about, if TS-1 continues to perform, how are the TS3 P and G performing for you? I may just replace the solid body TS1s with a bit wider sole there…

[Popeye64]

4 hours ago, gioreeko said:

have you had a chance to hit the MMT at all? if yes, how does the RT compare?

The MMT is a really solid shaft. I found it launched a bit lower as well as spin rate.  For me the RT had better feel and the spin is just right for me. You can go wrong with either. 

Shafts are very player specific so you owe it to yourself to hit both when you can. Worst thing is to go with a combination you spent a lot of money on and still have that doubt in your head. 

[Popeye64]

3 hours ago, Therty said:

I’ve reshafted and reweighted my TS-1 7i for another comparison off grass later this week. Should be interesting.

 

popeye something im thinking about, if TS-1 continues to perform, how are the TS3 P and G performing for you? I may just replace the solid body TS1s with a bit wider sole there…

Only a handful of shots so far but a lot of chipping. No surprises, they are doing just what they should. Short little chips feel really solid. They transmit a good amount of feeling and feedback. 

I believe the TS-1 PW and GW are solid as well. 

[Bad9]

9 hours ago, SE Gamer said:

Game improvement type irons aren't going to suddenly turn an 18 hdcp into scratch. But they very well may take a 5 hdcp to scratch. As I really think the people that have the most to gain from PD/GI type irons is your mid-low single digit players. Guys that strike the ball fairly consistently. Don't have massive misses. But would really benefit from the slight misses being far less punishing than blades.

 

All the old GEA hands would recognize this as something kenoneputt has advocated for the last 20yrs.

[NRJyzr]

1 hour ago, Bad9 said:

 

All the old GEA hands would recognize this as something kenoneputt has advocated for the last 20yrs.

 

Miss seeing Ken's posts.  🙂   Think he nailed this one.

 

Personally, I think the "5 to scratch" is a reach; those 5 strokes are considerably larger than 18 to 13 would be, grabbing a semi-random example.  Also realize it's possibly not meant literally.  😉

 

And, there *is* a tradeoff, though it's often glossed over.  <shrug>

 

Edited February 23, 2023 by NRJyzr

[Bad9]

12 minutes ago, NRJyzr said:

 

Miss seeing Ken's posts.  🙂   Think he nailed this one.

 

Personally, I think the "5 to scratch" is a reach; those 5 strokes are considerably larger than 18 to 13 would be, grabbing a semi-random example.  Also realize it's possibly not meant literally.  😉

 

And, there *is* a tradeoff, though it's often glossed over.  <shrug>

 

 

Ken probably played more courses in Scotland than most Scots.

[jfrank]

On 2/21/2023 at 10:28 PM, pozzit said:

Here goes:

Comparing the Maltby offering of 7irons I have on hand TS1, TS3, PTM, and TE(6i). I also put the MP-33(6i) in as Lob Wedge for reference. View the data below for full details from my R10 with RCT balls. (obviously only 6 shots rotating club every 3 shots, also similar but not the same shafts)

 

Feel: 

Honestly the best feeling of the bunch was TS3 & TE they were very close but both felt solid and soft. Multiple of each I barely felt the ball. 3rd place would go to the TS1 and PTM in 4th not sure why just slightly clickier to me. Comparing all to the MP33 was hard because well I could not find the middle today. from memory I would call the MP33 smoother when I find the center. I am a steep player so I usually need a little more sole which i think the TS3 would provide but I'm hitting off a mat so that is something ill have to test on grass.

 

Aesthetics:

This is personal preference obviously but I do really enjoy Maltby's recent styling. From overall winner is probably the TS1s but I'm a bit biased playing them for the last 2 years. They have the best blend of thin top line, offset, and minimal back graphics. I would put TS3 in second and TE & PTM wash at 3rd they each have their own benefits, I like the TE at address and PTM from behind.  

 

Performance:

All of them performed well. Going by Numbers below I think TS3 performed the best with the Distance, Speed, Spin, and Apex I'm currently looking for. I cut across the ball and generate a lot of spin. the TE had the best dispersion but was high spinning and lower distance for a 6i. The PTM had great dispersion too but again the apex and spin let it down in my book. 

 

Overall: 

I feel like these are all good clubs I think the TS3 is a blend of the TE & PTM. The sole and shaping of the TE with the aesthetics and lofts of the PTM. I may need to consider transitioning over to TS3s or wait until the TS4s are out and find a beautiful combo set.

 

Were all of these clubs setup with the same shaft and same playing length (TE maybe 1/2" longer)?  Impressive dispersion from the TE with a longer shaft.

[Popeye64]

11 hours ago, SE Gamer said:

 

If you're a 5, you likely are a good enough iron player. But I think your observation should be much more prevalent. It seems like the common thought is to play the most demanding irons/shaft/etc. you can manage. But that really makes little sense. Instead, maybe you should play the most forgiving head, softest shaft, etc that you can manage. 

Game improvement type irons aren't going to suddenly turn an 18 hdcp into scratch. But they very well may take a 5 hdcp to scratch. As I really think the people that have the most to gain from PD/GI type irons is your mid-low single digit players. Guys that strike the ball fairly consistently. Don't have massive misses. But would really benefit from the slight misses being far less punishing than blades.

 

I'm going to test this idea this year. Play to around scratch. Have played blades for 15+ years. Went with a PD set and highly suspect they'll be nothing but upside. 

The being a '5' and needing help is exactly the player I am. With any of the current offerings I can play to a high level but my misses could be punishing. The TS-2 miss was high on the face and it went no where. The TS-1 miss was inconsistent contact that performed more like a blade. Amazing when struck well, no idea where it's going when I didn't. Struggled to really feel the face consistently. These irons had me steady as a 5. Score great, score poorly. All depended on the swing. The KE4 gave me enough help that the misses still found the green. Which bred a lot of confidence. That fueled the rest of the game. With those I was playing at near scratch and trending lower all the time. 

My biggest issue is lack of playing time. Or gaps. With my career I'm away from the game for a minimum of two weeks at a time. It can easily grow to a month. So I need to manage misses as my swing can get rusty. When playing a lot I can go very low.  

So it will be interesting to see how the TS3 fit in. On paper as I've said before, it's like they were built for me. We will see. 

[Therty]

3 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

Only a handful of shots so far but a lot of chipping. No surprises, they are doing just what they should. Short little chips feel really solid. They transmit a good amount of feeling and feedback. 

I believe the TS-1 PW and GW are solid as well. 

I've played the TS-1 PW and GW for 2 years. I don't have any REAL complaints, but a touch wider sole wouldn't hurt me, especially as I like to use the GW around the green.