Maltby TS2

[T_Golf_23]

On 3/7/2023 at 10:22 PM, DB Golf said:

Aren’t ferrules just decorative? If so, why bother installing them on test clubs?

Ferrules weigh 2G…. The lack of a ferrule lowers SW 1pt. 

Edited March 11, 2023 by T_Golf_23

[Popeye64]

On 3/3/2023 at 3:58 PM, Millhill88 said:

Popeye64,  I played the TS2's for a year and a half, before switching into i525's.  I hate the i525's!  I have been waiting for the TS3 to arrive, but in reading your comments, you seem to get great results from the Max iron.  If you compared the TS2, TS3 and max side by side, which do you feel give the best distance, distance control, and dispersion?  

I'm waiting for a serious outdoors comparison. So far its been all indoors and I'm never a fan of mats. 

So for now till the courses open up I'm limited in my opinion. 

[deepred]

I’ve come to the conclusion several of us need therapy. I bought a set of PTM’s with C Taper Lite shafts. It’s an easy shaft to hit high and far. They average about 5-6 yards longer than my KE4 Tour+ with DG105. So naturally I’m trying to decide if I should switch the Tours to graphite or sell both sets and build a new set of DBM’s. All of this without playing a single hole this year.

[mstuewe]

Made an ace yesterday with my TS1 7 iron from 187.  Think golfworks will send me a plaque?  🤪

[AUswimKC]

Anyone have any advice? 
 

I’m debating between the TS3 (looks sweet) and the STi2. 
 

budget is a concern but not a concern. Maybe more of a thought given the price of the STi2. I take a large divot so what I’ve read about the radiused sole and the relief in the sole of the STi2 sounds great. How is the TS3 in comprision? I think I have a steep attack too. 

 

I’m generally a decent iron player. A typical 12-14hcp that can get probably get to single by driving it better and putting better. And maybe practicing (nope) Started trying to play 3times a month (walking) last summer from 6-8times a year. 
 

Currently play Adams GT3 that I bought almost 20 years ago in college. High launch high ball hitter. Generally hit the green and stop within a foot of the mark. I hit those traditional lofts at 145-150 9i and 135 PW (46deg). Distance isn’t a concern so I want to stay close to traditional and 4deg gaps. 
 

I am a little bit worried about all the low spin comments about the TS3 but I’m not really an expert to really know what’s what. I like being a hit and stop player. 
 

True Temper told me my shaft was specific to Adams as a uniflex I believe I ordered in stiff. And that an Elevate 95mph would be the most similar today. So I was planning to try the Score LT. I really like the DG shafts in my CBX2 wedges. 

 

all of that extra info to maybe help form a profile for advice. 
 

would love to play the Ts3. Worried about the low spin, forgiveness, and turf interaction as a steep digger. 
 

Any advice and/or comparison between Ts3 and Sti2 is appreciated. Thank you in advance. 

[Cwebb]

2 hours ago, AUswimKC said:

Anyone have any advice? 
 

I’m debating between the TS3 (looks sweet) and the STi2. 
 

budget is a concern but not a concern. Maybe more of a thought given the price of the STi2. I take a large divot so what I’ve read about the radiused sole and the relief in the sole of the STi2 sounds great. How is the TS3 in comprision? I think I have a steep attack too. 

 

I’m generally a decent iron player. A typical 12-14hcp that can get probably get to single by driving it better and putting better. And maybe practicing (nope) Started trying to play 3times a month (walking) last summer from 6-8times a year. 
 

Currently play Adams GT3 that I bought almost 20 years ago in college. High launch high ball hitter. Generally hit the green and stop within a foot of the mark. I hit those traditional lofts at 145-150 9i and 135 PW (46deg). Distance isn’t a concern so I want to stay close to traditional and 4deg gaps. 
 

I am a little bit worried about all the low spin comments about the TS3 but I’m not really an expert to really know what’s what. I like being a hit and stop player. 
 

True Temper told me my shaft was specific to Adams as a uniflex I believe I ordered in stiff. And that an Elevate 95mph would be the most similar today. So I was planning to try the Score LT. I really like the DG shafts in my CBX2 wedges. 

 

all of that extra info to maybe help form a profile for advice. 
 

would love to play the Ts3. Worried about the low spin, forgiveness, and turf interaction as a steep digger. 
 

Any advice and/or comparison between Ts3 and Sti2 is appreciated. Thank you in advance. 

 

I wouldn't be concerned at all about low spin with the TS3.  Nothing about it's design suggests that it would promote that.  Have to be careful about looking much into flight numbers that are posted.

[Bigarch]

I'm going to duplicate this comment from the other Maltby discussion going on right now and to answer the question about spin.  I think paired with the right shaft, spin and launch won't be a problem.  My launch improved greatly from previous irons and didn't have any problems spinning the ball on greens that are still semi frozen and pretty firm, yesterday:

 

Temps got up near 50 so I finally got out yesterday with the TS3's for their first round.  Hadn't had any range or SIM time with them yet so this was their maiden voyage.  Hit them extremely well and actually about a half club further than my previous irons (Callaway Epic with the same shafts). Club feels super solid.  Hit one shot out of the rough that came off high off the toe and that was really the only poor feeling shot I hit all day.  Ball still flew straight... just came up about 15 yards short of where I planned.

 

Can't wait to see if there's additional distance once the weather warms up.  Was hoping that these paired with Elevate 95 shafts would lead to higher launch and they certainly did.  Playing partners even remarked about how well I was hitting my irons and how they were much higher than normal.  That's when they noticed I had switched out my irons... so that led to many questions.  Everyone agreed that the clubs looked great.  One guy in my group thought they reminded him of his old Titleist DCI's at address. 

 

I guess I should add that after not playing for 3 weeks, I shot 77 with 2 birdies in not so great, windy weather.  Medalist in my foursome.  I'm about a 6 handicap these days, so that's a pretty solid round for me any time of year really. I think they are a winner.  I'm excited and plan on keeping them in the bag all season.

[SE Gamer]

11 hours ago, AUswimKC said:

Anyone have any advice? 
 

I’m debating between the TS3 (looks sweet) and the STi2. 
 

budget is a concern but not a concern. Maybe more of a thought given the price of the STi2. I take a large divot so what I’ve read about the radiused sole and the relief in the sole of the STi2 sounds great. How is the TS3 in comprision? I think I have a steep attack too. 

 

I’m generally a decent iron player. A typical 12-14hcp that can get probably get to single by driving it better and putting better. And maybe practicing (nope) Started trying to play 3times a month (walking) last summer from 6-8times a year. 
 

Currently play Adams GT3 that I bought almost 20 years ago in college. High launch high ball hitter. Generally hit the green and stop within a foot of the mark. I hit those traditional lofts at 145-150 9i and 135 PW (46deg). Distance isn’t a concern so I want to stay close to traditional and 4deg gaps. 
 

I am a little bit worried about all the low spin comments about the TS3 but I’m not really an expert to really know what’s what. I like being a hit and stop player. 
 

True Temper told me my shaft was specific to Adams as a uniflex I believe I ordered in stiff. And that an Elevate 95mph would be the most similar today. So I was planning to try the Score LT. I really like the DG shafts in my CBX2 wedges. 

 

all of that extra info to maybe help form a profile for advice. 
 

would love to play the Ts3. Worried about the low spin, forgiveness, and turf interaction as a steep digger. 
 

Any advice and/or comparison between Ts3 and Sti2 is appreciated. Thank you in advance. 

 

I wouldn't worry too much about launch and spin. If you're already high launch high ball, I don't know that any clubs/shafts will suddenly throw you to the opposite end of the spectrum. 

While I'm more of a picker, I too hit the ball pretty high and with quite a bit of spin. Haven't hit the TS3, but did spend all of last season demo-ing a TS1 7 iron. A good club stronger than my blades and inherently a little less spin. But my ball flight was still high, and I had no issues with holding greens. Really was just business as usual. With the only real difference being lofts. So instead of hitting 6i I was hitting 7i. But if I were to compare the launch, height, and spin of my blade 6i and the TS1 7i, they're virtually the same.

[brew4eagle]

I skimmed this thread, apologies if I missed it-  any thoughts on DBM vs TS3?  I've had DBM in the bag for awhile and interested in trying something new, just because.

[brew4eagle]

Double posted

Edited March 13, 2023 by brew4eagle

[Popeye64]

5 minutes ago, brew4eagle said:

I skimmed this thread, apologies if I missed it-  any thoughts on DBM vs TS3?  I've had DBM in the bag for awhile and interested in trying something new, just because.

One of my very first impressions was how much of the TE/DBM iron I was reminded of. Aside from the very obvious top line difference as well as sole radius I certainly felt like they were from the same family. 

The TS3 will or should feel better than the DBM given thier softer metal. Where the DBM will feel a bit crisp the TS3 will give the soft almost missed the ball feel. 

I always preferred the feel of the TE over the DBM but valued the DBMs ability to show virtually zero wear over time. 

If you like the DBM the TS3 should definitely be a nice familiar upgrade. 

[Therty]

In context, at equivalent lofts, a "low spin" Iron head design is going to produce something on the order of MAYBE ~200rpm spin delta, it's not meaningful over a large sample size where strike can vary causing far more spin variation. 

Edited March 13, 2023 by Therty

[Srthom12]

@Popeye64 since you’re the resident maltby expert I wanted to pose this question to you! Trying to find a new set of irons and I’m partial to maltby. I recently tried a set of Callaway apex pros at PGA in the practice bay and loved them. Yardage was where I wanted it and 7 iron spin sat right around 5800-6000. Can you recommend a maltby iron that might be comparable to the 2019 apex pro irons?

 

 Thank you! 

[SE Gamer]

2 hours ago, Srthom12 said:

@Popeye64 since you’re the resident maltby expert I wanted to pose this question to you! Trying to find a new set of irons and I’m partial to maltby. I recently tried a set of Callaway apex pros at PGA in the practice bay and loved them. Yardage was where I wanted it and 7 iron spin sat right around 5800-6000. Can you recommend a maltby iron that might be comparable to the 2019 apex pro irons?

 

 Thank you! 

 

Not popeye, but I'd suggest trying the TS1. Hit the Apex Pro (last year's model), and the TS1 was better in feel and performance. Cheap to pick up a 7 iron and test it out. 

[SE Gamer]

21 hours ago, Therty said:

In context, at equivalent lofts, a "low spin" Iron head design is going to produce something on the order of MAYBE ~200rpm spin delta, it's not meaningful over a large sample size where strike can vary causing far more spin variation. 

 

Agreed. Been thinking about this a lot lately. Particularly when someone shares some LM data from whatever club they've demo'd, and there'll be comments like, "That's pretty low spin for a X iron". 

This issue with that type of claim is that the numbers stamped on clubs these days are utterly meaningless. Especially if comparing to traditional lofts. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that a 7i with 30* of loft is going to spin less than one with 36* loft. Sure it's lower, but it's going to have the distance of a 6 (or even 5 iron) from yesteryear. So in that context the spin is basically right where we'd expect it should be. 

Edited March 14, 2023 by SE Gamer

[Popeye64]

2 hours ago, Srthom12 said:

@Popeye64 since you’re the resident maltby expert I wanted to pose this question to you! Trying to find a new set of irons and I’m partial to maltby. I recently tried a set of Callaway apex pros at PGA in the practice bay and loved them. Yardage was where I wanted it and 7 iron spin sat right around 5800-6000. Can you recommend a maltby iron that might be comparable to the 2019 apex pro irons?

 

 Thank you! 

I built up a set of 19 Apex Pros a few months back and was smitten with the over all design. They went to a top collegiate player on the west coast. 

The most compatible iron would be the upcoming TS4. Over all size and foot print would be very close. Though it's still a few months out from what i hear it's gonna be another huge success. 

The TS1 may be the next closest. But that has a hollow/urethane design and will certainly give back a difference in feed back through the hands. Great feel but not quite the same. 

If you don't mind a larger than the Pro topline the TS3 is certainly an option. Feel and feedback should be very similar. The overall size of the TS3 would be larger but not by a lot. I don't have the actual dimensions of the Apex Pro but it certainly was a smaller design.  Most of the perception on the TS3 being bigger may be the bigger topline. 

A lot of the draw of the Apex pro is that amazing feel and crispness. I would stay with a solid forging if that's your bench mark. 

[Cwebb]

7 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

I built up a set of 19 Apex Pros a few months back and was smitten with the over all design. They went to a top collegiate player on the west coast. 

The most compatible iron would be the upcoming TS4. Over all size and foot print would be very close. Though it's still a few months out from what i hear it's gonna be another huge success. 

The TS1 may be the next closest. But that has a hollow/urethane design and will certainly give back a difference in feed back through the hands. Great feel but not quite the same. 

If you don't mind a larger than the Pro topline the TS3 is certainly an option. Feel and feedback should be very similar. The overall size of the TS3 would be larger but not by a lot. I don't have the actual dimensions of the Apex Pro but it certainly was a smaller design.  Most of the perception on the TS3 being bigger may be the bigger topline. 

A lot of the draw of the Apex pro is that amazing feel and crispness. I would stay with a solid forging if that's your bench mark. 

 

A little longer blade length as well

[SE Gamer]

11 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

I built up a set of 19 Apex Pros a few months back and was smitten with the over all design. They went to a top collegiate player on the west coast. 

The most compatible iron would be the upcoming TS4. Over all size and foot print would be very close. Though it's still a few months out from what i hear it's gonna be another huge success. 

The TS1 may be the next closest. But that has a hollow/urethane design and will certainly give back a difference in feed back through the hands. Great feel but not quite the same. 

If you don't mind a larger than the Pro topline the TS3 is certainly an option. Feel and feedback should be very similar. The overall size of the TS3 would be larger but not by a lot. I don't have the actual dimensions of the Apex Pro but it certainly was a smaller design.  Most of the perception on the TS3 being bigger may be the bigger topline. 

A lot of the draw of the Apex pro is that amazing feel and crispness. I would stay with a solid forging if that's your bench mark. 

 

Isn't the 19 Apex pro hollow-bodied?
 

[Popeye64]

3 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

Isn't the 19 Apex pro hollow-bodied?
 

You are right. Just looked it up. Certainly has a different feel than the TS1. I would have bet money on that Pro being solid. 

[Popeye64]

From Callaways site

[Nideda24]

14 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

Isn't the 19 Apex pro hollow-bodied?
 

The 19 Apex Pros are solid and the 21s are hollow. I think the 19s actually match up nicely with the TS3s. Take a look at the plugged in golf review of the 19s. 
 

https://pluggedingolf.com/callaway-apex-pro-19-irons-review/

 

The top line is actually a little thicker like the TS3, blade length is going to be a bit shorter/compact. Lofts on the Apex Pros are about 1° weaker than TS3 across the board. 

 

[SE Gamer]

28 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

You are right. Just looked it up. Certainly has a different feel than the TS1. I would have bet money on that Pro being solid. 

 

They must have felt a lot better than the current Apex Pro (MB lookalike). Hit those along with a number of others early last season. And they ranked near the bottom (for me). TS1 was markedly better feeling. Rogue ST Pro even felt better as well. 

[SE Gamer]

17 minutes ago, Nideda24 said:

The 19 Apex Pros are solid and the 21s are hollow. I think the 19s actually match up nicely with the TS3s. Take a look at the plugged in golf review of the 19s. 
 

https://pluggedingolf.com/callaway-apex-pro-19-irons-review/

 

The top line is actually a little thicker like the TS3, blade length is going to be a bit shorter/compact. Lofts on the Apex Pros are about 1° weaker than TS3 across the board. 

 

 

I know they had a dot model (or something like that) in the 19 line that were even more of a players iron. But pretty sure even those were the "traditional" PD iron type construction. Certainly not solid. 

[Srthom12]

23 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

1 hour ago, Popeye64 said:

I built up a set of 19 Apex Pros a few months back and was smitten with the over all design. They went to a top collegiate player on the west coast. 

The most compatible iron would be the upcoming TS4. Over all size and foot print would be very close. Though it's still a few months out from what i hear it's gonna be another huge success. 

The TS1 may be the next closest. But that has a hollow/urethane design and will certainly give back a difference in feed back through the hands. Great feel but not quite the same. 

If you don't mind a larger than the Pro topline the TS3 is certainly an option. Feel and feedback should be very similar. The overall size of the TS3 would be larger but not by a lot. I don't have the actual dimensions of the Apex Pro but it certainly was a smaller design.  Most of the perception on the TS3 being bigger may be the bigger topline. 

A lot of the draw of the Apex pro is that amazing feel and crispness. I would stay with a solid forging if that's your bench mark. 

It’s really funny, I’m not a great player by any means. 91 was my best round ever. Right now I’m playing a set of STi2s and liked them at first but the sheer size just looks strange to me now and my miss is a nasty hook. 
 

I have been experimenting with smaller irons because irons are my best part of my play when I’m not hooking these STi2s. I’ve tried p790s, Wilson Staff CBs, Mizuno Hot metal 923s (the absolute best feeling by far and I couldn’t miss with them on the sim, but they just didn’t spin, 3300 on a 7iron) and then now the Apex pros. 
 

The apex pros were incredible, the best combination of flight characteristics and feel. I think I may build a 7 of the ts3 and hit it for a little while until the ts4 comes out. I also love the looks of the IM but I think it may be too bladey for me, but that could also just be my fear. 
 

I appreciate the feedback, glad I’m not the only one who liked the pros,great iron head for sure! 

[Nideda24]

20 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

I know they had a dot model (or something like that) in the 19 line that were even more of a players iron. But pretty sure even those were the "traditional" PD iron type construction. Certainly not solid. 

Yep, you’re right and I stand corrected. They aren’t solid. Jumped the gun on my assumptions for the 19 and 21. 

[SE Gamer]

38 minutes ago, Srthom12 said:

It’s really funny, I’m not a great player by any means. 91 was my best round ever. Right now I’m playing a set of STi2s and liked them at first but the sheer size just looks strange to me now and my miss is a nasty hook. 
 

I have been experimenting with smaller irons because irons are my best part of my play when I’m not hooking these STi2s. I’ve tried p790s, Wilson Staff CBs, Mizuno Hot metal 923s (the absolute best feeling by far and I couldn’t miss with them on the sim, but they just didn’t spin, 3300 on a 7iron) and then now the Apex pros. 
 

The apex pros were incredible, the best combination of flight characteristics and feel. I think I may build a 7 of the ts3 and hit it for a little while until the ts4 comes out. I also love the looks of the IM but I think it may be too bladey for me, but that could also just be my fear. 
 

I appreciate the feedback, glad I’m not the only one who liked the pros,great iron head for sure! 

 

If the TS1 is to "bladey" the TS4 will be even further down the blade spectrum. As that's going to be their true muscle back blade. No magic goo or anything. Still will be a great head. But not the most forgiving of all the models mentioned.

[SE Gamer]

39 minutes ago, Nideda24 said:

Yep, you’re right and I stand corrected. They aren’t solid. Jumped the gun on my assumptions for the 19 and 21. 

 

No worries. You were confident enough to get me second guessing what I believed to be true. 🙂

[Srthom12]

12 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

If the TS1 is to "bladey" the TS4 will be even further down the blade spectrum. As that's going to be their true muscle back blade. No magic goo or anything. Still will be a great head. But not the most forgiving of all the models mentioned.

As I was typing that I thought to myself “bladey? You were just hitting the apex pros just fine.”  I’m pretty sure it’s just my preconceived notions that I shouldn’t be hitting it as well as I am. The whole “players iron” vs “game improvement” in all honesty I gain most of my strokes around the green and off the tee box. Irons, approach and putting are usually good enough for me to get by but I hit a nasty slice off the tee.

 

I just gotta get over that and swing what feels best to me 

[SE Gamer]

Just now, Srthom12 said:

As I was typing that I thought to myself “bladey? You were just hitting the apex pros just fine.”  I’m pretty sure it’s just my preconceived notions that I shouldn’t be hitting it as well as I am. The whole “players iron” vs “game improvement” in all honesty I gain most of my strokes around the green and off the tee box. Irons, approach and putting are usually good enough for me to get by but I hit a nasty slice off the tee.

 

I just gotta get over that and swing what feels best to me 

 

Yep. Too much emphasis on "classes" of irons that only certain players should go for. Gotta find what works for you and you're confident with. 

 

I personally hover around scratch. Have played true forged blades for over a decade. But this year have switched to a players distance iron. Don't really need the distance. But the added forgiveness is nice. On paper, I'm sure I'd be told that I should be playing blades (or at most a CB/MB combo) with X shafts. But why? Why not take advantage of slightly more forgiving head, that will do everything a blade can do for me and then some.

 

Too many get wrapped up in the pride of playing the most demanding clubs they can manage. Or at the other end of the spectrum, folks thinking they aren't good enough to play anything but ultra game improvement shovels. Nonsense. Experiment a little bit. Find a set that works for you, and leave all the theory and categories behind. 

[iamlowsound]

13 hours ago, SE Gamer said:

 

Agreed. Been thinking about this a lot lately. Particularly when someone shares some LM data from whatever club they've demo'd, and there'll be comments like, "That's pretty low spin for a X iron". 

This issue with that type of claim is that the numbers stamped on clubs these days are utterly meaningless. Especially if comparing to traditional lofts. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that a 7i with 30* of loft is going to spin less than one with 36* loft. Sure it's lower, but it's going to have the distance of a 6 (or even 5 iron) from yesteryear. So in that context the spin is basically right where we'd expect it should be. 

I hit in the simulator a lot and the numbers I look at are launch and decent angle. Spin will play into both of those but when I'm getting 50° or higher decent angle with my mid and short irons, those are going to stop real quick no matter the spin.