Maltby TS2

[coreyhr]

Finally found time to get my full set of TS3's built last night with my KBS Tour shafts. Going to take them to the course this afternoon. Currently also testing ZX7 Mk II and Ping i230 irons to see what gets the spot in my bag for the next few years. I'll post some GC2 comparison numbers in the next few days if anybody is interested in the comparison with those other irons. Just based off looks at address, I think the TS3 is very well the best looking of the 3. It's a close race between it and the ZX7.

[Lobsterzilla]

5 minutes ago, coreyhr said:

Finally found time to get my full set of TS3's built last night with my KBS Tour shafts. Going to take them to the course this afternoon. Currently also testing ZX7 Mk II and Ping i230 irons to see what gets the spot in my bag for the next few years. I'll post some GC2 comparison numbers in the next few days if anybody is interested in the comparison with those other irons. Just based off looks at address, I think the TS3 is very well the best looking of the 3. It's a close race between it and the ZX7.

definitely interested

[runpuddrun]

Put my order in for the TS3's today as well. going to shaft them up with xcaliber RT 105's.

 

[Cwebb]

3 hours ago, Therty said:

So he needs more loft, still. 
when youre that drastically low on spin loft #1, golf ball #2 are going to be the things that make the biggest impact. 

Yeah, my point is that changing the loft on that head design won't likely be enough.  He needs to put a few details together, including an iron that will promote more spin

[Cwebb]

12 hours ago, runpuddrun said:

short squat irons with huge topline. I really liked their performance but want to get away from hollow body irons. I like the look of the ts1's but want a bit more forgiveness. would love a bit more spin as well as I'm a very low spin player. I'm a sweeper and my miss is low. 12 handicap with iron play of a single, driver play of a 36. lol.

 

Sounds like the TS3 will be a good fit, with it's low AVCOG (sweet-spot), which is key for a sweeper and will promote more spin as compared to the higher COG of that Mizuno.  I'd get one or two irons first, before committing to a whole set

[st1800e]

On 4/3/2023 at 11:34 AM, golfschnell said:

Can anyone share a pic of the kuro Kage gen2 iron shaft (graphite shaft golfworks offers in its pack) with the lettering in down position, can’t find any pics of this shaft online in this orientation, curious as to what graphics on other side of shaft look like since that will be what is visible at address, thanks 

Here you go.  

[Srthom12]

5 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

Are you putting down that sort of spin numbers with other irons as well? What is your driver swing speed? What flex and style of iron shaft did you have in that 7 iron? 

 

No, with the p770 my spin was about 5.7- 6k, both had 5.5 flex graphite shafts from Mitsubishi, but different kinds, I don’t remember exactly which one. I know the Mizuno had the recoil 760 in it.

 

driver swing speed averages 102

[runpuddrun]

3 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

Sounds like the TS3 will be a good fit, with it's low AVCOG (sweet-spot), which is key for a sweeper and will promote more spin as compared to the higher COG of that Mizuno.  I'd get one or two irons first, before committing to a whole set

Already got a set ordered 😉 the insanely low ACOG has me excited. 

[golfschnell]

4 hours ago, st1800e said:

Here you go.  

Thanks!!! Any feedback on shaft particularly comparison to recoil 760 or Dart which are similar weight and torque?

[Klubster]

1 hour ago, golfschnell said:

Thanks!!! Any feedback on shaft particularly comparison to recoil 760 or Dart which are similar weight and torque?

When I was researching iron shafts, I found a couple comparisons on the Maltby forum site.  If I recall correctly, the new Rapport Core Blue shaft was very similar to them and they said the Kuro Kage was similar to the Rapport but the Rapport is softer at the butt end.  I suggest you search the Maltby forum.  

 

Found for you

https://ralphmaltby.com/questions/question/rapport-vs-kuro-kage/

 

And copied from Golfworks

 

Lipout 

· 4 months ago  

How do these shafts compare in flex to the recoil 660/680. I'm in between an f3 to f4 in the recoil.

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1. JimY 

   · 4 months ago  

    

   The R flexes in the Core Blue and 660 SC compare very well to each other in our profile testing. The Core Blue S flex tests about a full flex stiffer than the 680 SC F4-S flex.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Klubster

[runpuddrun]

so with my change to the TS3, I need different wedges. I looked but couldn't find much on the max milled wedges. thoughts? with the ts3 gw being 48*, I'm thinking 54/60 or 52/58.

[Popeye64]

7 hours ago, Srthom12 said:

No, with the p770 my spin was about 5.7- 6k, both had 5.5 flex graphite shafts from Mitsubishi, but different kinds, I don’t remember exactly which one. I know the Mizuno had the recoil 760 in it.

 

driver swing speed averages 102

Then the TS3 should suit you well. It's very low COG will spin the way you need it too. 

[omegafett]

On 2/22/2023 at 10:47 AM, Cwebb said:

 

Irons and wedges do not have gear effect.  So all else equal, a lower AVCOG will tend to promote a higher flight.  The "all else equal" part includes that the player is striking it at the same height on the face when comparing, which of course doesn't always happen for various reasons

Are you sure about that? Isn't that why toe shots draw?

[Cwebb]

2 hours ago, omegafett said:

Are you sure about that? Isn't that why toe shots draw?

 

Very sure.  Drivers, fairways, and hybrids have gear effect because the rearward COG is far enough behind the face for the effect to happen.  Irons and wedges do not.  This is why drivers, fairways and hybrids have a curved bulge/roll face, whereas irons/wedges have a flat face.

 

Here's an article on it...https://www.tutelman.com/golf/ballflight/gearEffect.ph

[Srthom12]

15 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

Then the TS3 should suit you well. It's very low COG will spin the way you need it too. 

That’s what I was thinking, I think I’ll build a 7 iron of it.
Did more testing with the p770s last night and that’s a hell of an iron. Loved the feel of it and does exactly what I’d want it to. Do you think a ts1/ts3 combo set would work well. Maybe ts1 or TS1 IM in the short irons and ts3 in the 7 and 6? I don’t get along well with long irons so I am going to get a hybrid for the 5 spot and the hyway for the 4 spot at 22 degrees unless there is a different 20-22 degree club you recommend from them!

 

I appreciate all of the help!  

[Paintman]

I treat that 21° - 22° like this:

Hy-Way 21°, KE4 22° hybrid, and KE4 21° driving iron rotate in & out depending on the course and if it's really windy.

Being close to Lake Michigan near Chicago, wind is a real consideration. The driving iron stays when windy. It's surprisingly good off a decent lie to.

Hybrid is a little shorter and higher than the Hy-Way, but is a better choice out of rough & punch outs.

That's just me and where I live.

[Spinozist]

Couple of new images of the TS4 from Golfworks. 

[Cwebb]

2 hours ago, Srthom12 said:

That’s what I was thinking, I think I’ll build a 7 iron of it.
Did more testing with the p770s last night and that’s a hell of an iron. Loved the feel of it and does exactly what I’d want it to. Do you think a ts1/ts3 combo set would work well. Maybe ts1 or TS1 IM in the short irons and ts3 in the 7 and 6? I don’t get along well with long irons so I am going to get a hybrid for the 5 spot and the hyway for the 4 spot at 22 degrees unless there is a different 20-22 degree club you recommend from them!

 

I appreciate all of the help!  

 

No.  It doesn't make sense to do a combo that has a short iron design with a hollow head thin face, with longer irons that have a solid face.  The thinner face will tend to produce a little extra ball speed, which could help to maintain yardage gaps into the longer irons, where they can otherwise tend to get bunched for some players.   There would be no benefit to just having this aspect in the shorter irons and not the longer ones.

 

If you want to explore a combo set, I'd suggest TS4's in the short irons with TS3 or TS1 longer irons.  The AVCOG's also match up well in this combination

Edited April 5, 2023 by Cwebb

[runpuddrun]

45 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

No.  It doesn't make sense to do a combo that has a short iron design with a hollow head thin face, with longer irons that have a solid face.  The thinner face will tend to produce a little extra ball speed, which could help to maintain yardage gaps into the longer irons, where they can otherwise tend to get bunched for some players.   There would be no benefit to just having this aspect in the shorter irons and not the longer ones.

 

If you want to explore a combo set, I'd suggest TS4's in the short irons with TS3 or TS1 longer irons.  The AVCOG's also match up well in this combination

when do the ts4's release? look so good. I was going back and thinking about clubs that I've loved and clubs that I've hated. my very first set of irons were the wishon 870ti iron. I hit them ok but I was also learning golf at that time. fast forward 14 years and I have been messing around with the wishon 560mc's and boy oh boy do I hit these amazing. even head to head last night I found it hard to hit the 870's and was flushing shots with the 560's. Threw in the ts2's and again, don't love the look of them but hit them decent. looking at the cog for all of these, it lines up with my preference. How/why did they get the cog for the ts3s so low?

[Rainier88]

47 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

No.  It doesn't make sense to do a combo that has a short iron design with a hollow head thin face, with longer irons that have a solid face. 

 

I've wondered about this. I spent a little bit of time considering what a half-set of irons would look like if they had to be different models. So something like 4-TS2 6-STi2 8-TS1 P-TS3. Basically use the hollow body filled irons (TS2 4-9, STi2 4-7, TS1 3-9) for the longer clubs and then the solid clubs (TS3, TE/DBM) for the shorter ones.

 

It's almost certainly a dumb idea, but it's a dumb idea that appeals to me. Maybe I just want to buy golf clubs more than I want to play golf. I think that's a bad sign.

 

All that said, what criteria would you use for building a combo set, specifically of Maltby irons? You mentioned hollow body in the longer irons and solid body in the shorter irons. I know that when the TS1/TS2 came out the combo of TS2 in longer and TS1 in shorter was common enough. What model would combo with the TE/DBM, or the the KE4 Max, or the TS3? Has anyone even hit the M890, or do we just pretend it doesn't exist? And where do the TS1-IM and TS4 fit into these?

[Popeye64]

In the history of Maltby, I'm positive there has never been a time... where it can be so confusing on which iron to play. 

They always have had some stud irons that everyone loved at the higher level. Then some bargain irons that you built up for beginners. Getting people into the game, with cost effective gear, but not an iron they fell in love with. 

Now from nearly the entire line no matter the price point, you have an iron design that will perform beyond your expectations. The STI2 and the M890 can help transform budget conscious players games. The KE4 Max falls neatly in the middle. Now just look at the meat of the lineup. These irons could carry ANY OEM badge and be a massive hit. 

Yes some of the offerings are getting pricey but you can honestly stay in the lower price point and make a phenomenal set of irons. 

It's the best time to be a Maltby fan. 

[runpuddrun]

5 minutes ago, Rainier88 said:

 

I've wondered about this. I spent a little bit of time considering what a half-set of irons would look like if they had to be different models. So something like 4-TS2 6-STi2 8-TS1 P-TS3. Basically use the hollow body filled irons (TS2 4-9, STi2 4-7, TS1 3-9) for the longer clubs and then the solid clubs (TS3, TE/DBM) for the shorter ones.

 

It's almost certainly a dumb idea, but it's a dumb idea that appeals to me. Maybe I just want to buy golf clubs more than I want to play golf. I think that's a bad sign.

 

All that said, what criteria would you use for building a combo set, specifically of Maltby irons? You mentioned hollow body in the longer irons and solid body in the shorter irons. I know that when the TS1/TS2 came out the combo of TS2 in longer and TS1 in shorter was common enough. What model would combo with the TE/DBM, or the the KE4 Max, or the TS3? Has anyone even hit the M890, or do we just pretend it doesn't exist? And where do the TS1-IM and TS4 fit into these?

I think you just dont' want to mix hollow body and 1 piece irons, at the very least you want to avoid hollow body in the short irons and 1 piece in the long irons, it would be the opposite if you were going to go that route. You can mix the ts1 and ts2 as both are hollow body irons. The TS3, TS4 are all solid body irons. mix away.

 

[runpuddrun]

3 hours ago, Srthom12 said:

That’s what I was thinking, I think I’ll build a 7 iron of it.
Did more testing with the p770s last night and that’s a hell of an iron. Loved the feel of it and does exactly what I’d want it to. Do you think a ts1/ts3 combo set would work well. Maybe ts1 or TS1 IM in the short irons and ts3 in the 7 and 6? I don’t get along well with long irons so I am going to get a hybrid for the 5 spot and the hyway for the 4 spot at 22 degrees unless there is a different 20-22 degree club you recommend from them!

 

I appreciate all of the help!  

I know this is a Maltby post but take a look at the new Wishon fw and hybrids. I just ordered a new 5w and 7w and a new 4 hybrid. I have never hit a FW or hybrid as well as I hit the original 949mc fw and 775hs hybrids. I've had them for going on 7 years now I think and these look like a great upgrade. Might grab a HyWay while I'm at it to test against.

[Colej]

31 minutes ago, runpuddrun said:

I know this is a Maltby post but take a look at the new Wishon fw and hybrids. I just ordered a new 5w and 7w and a new 4 hybrid. I have never hit a FW or hybrid as well as I hit the original 949mc fw and 775hs hybrids. I've had them for going on 7 years now I think and these look like a great upgrade. Might grab a HyWay while I'm at it to test against.

Wishon 949 fairways were one of my favorites before I switched to the Ke4 TC tour. 

[runpuddrun]

22 minutes ago, Colej said:

Wishon 949 fairways were one of my favorites before I switched to the Ke4 TC tour. 

have you tried the HyWay? thinking about giving it a shot as well. I love me a 7 wood.

[Cwebb]

45 minutes ago, Rainier88 said:

 

I've wondered about this. I spent a little bit of time considering what a half-set of irons would look like if they had to be different models. So something like 4-TS2 6-STi2 8-TS1 P-TS3. Basically use the hollow body filled irons (TS2 4-9, STi2 4-7, TS1 3-9) for the longer clubs and then the solid clubs (TS3, TE/DBM) for the shorter ones.

 

It's almost certainly a dumb idea, but it's a dumb idea that appeals to me. Maybe I just want to buy golf clubs more than I want to play golf. I think that's a bad sign.

 

All that said, what criteria would you use for building a combo set, specifically of Maltby irons? You mentioned hollow body in the longer irons and solid body in the shorter irons. I know that when the TS1/TS2 came out the combo of TS2 in longer and TS1 in shorter was common enough. What model would combo with the TE/DBM, or the the KE4 Max, or the TS3? Has anyone even hit the M890, or do we just pretend it doesn't exist? And where do the TS1-IM and TS4 fit into these?

 

The first obvious thing I consider, is what would be the potential benefit for a combo set.   I see the most clear combo set from Maltby, as the TS4 shorter irons with TS3 longer irons.  First reason being the AVCOG progression makes sense, with the TS3 being a little lower, which is generally beneficial for most...especially in a longer iron.  Makes them easier to hit in general, matches a slightly shallower AOA that most strive for in a longer club (lower sweet-spot),....and promotes a somewhat higher flight.  The TS3 will also tend to be slightly more forgiving toe side, which will provide a little more face area to work for relatively solid contact.  So a little easier to hit irons in both vertical and horizontal directions on the face.

 

Second is the loft progressions and capability to get them adjusted to match up well.  Ideal yardage gaps are extremely important.  The whole 'TS' lineup is easy to move around for loft/lie.

 

Next is the appearance.   Will the transition look good or "natural" or will they be too different looking and distracting.  Details such as offset, top-line, blade length and face height.  Personally I don't want to be deciding between an 8 iron and 7 iron on the course... and have them look extremely different.

 

All this being said, it's easy to over think it and go for a combo set, when more likely is that the head design that fits you well in a middle iron, would be best for a whole set.  So sometimes we need to think of it the other way....as in what benefit is there to playing a different design in the shorter irons?  With the TS4-TS3 combo, it could be that some players would get a somewhat 'flatter' more penetrating flight in the shorter irons, with a bit higher AVCOG of the TS4 compared to the TS3.

 

The other combo that potentially makes sense to me, is the TS4 with either version of the TS1, with the benefit being a little more speed and distance from the thin face of the TS1, which can be beneficial for some in maintaining desirable yardage gaps into the longer clubs.  The profile appearance is also a good match

[Colej]

7 minutes ago, runpuddrun said:

have you tried the HyWay? thinking about giving it a shot as well. I love me a 7 wood.

Yes and I did not care for it. Very high, spinny flight 

[Spinozist]

52 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

*snip

 

The other combo that potentially makes sense to me, is the TS4 with either version of the TS1, with the benefit being a little more speed and distance from the thin face of the TS1, which can be beneficial for some in maintaining desirable yardage gaps into the longer clubs.  The profile appearance is also a good match

 

Yeah my current plan is to go TS4 for the two wedges (the OG TS1 set wedges are already solid, unlike the TS1-IMs, so I think this is a natural move), the new TS1-IMs for 9i,8i, and 7i (basically just to match better visually with the TS4s), and then my NLU-01s for 6i and 5i (then hybrids). I'm tempted to also try to slot in the TS3 at 6i and 5i as well just to try it out. 

[runpuddrun]

31 minutes ago, Spinozist said:

 

Yeah my current plan is to go TS4 for the two wedges (the OG TS1 set wedges are already solid, unlike the TS1-IMs, so I think this is a natural move), the new TS1-IMs for 9i,8i, and 7i (basically just to match better visually with the TS4s), and then my NLU-01s for 6i and 5i (then hybrids). I'm tempted to also try to slot in the TS3 at 6i and 5i as well just to try it out. 

how do you like the NLU? I have the 5 and don't love it. I find that I can hit the 902 5i better than the NLU 5i, but maybe it's the shaft in it as I got the recoil es hybrid shaft in it. Maybe i'll throw a xcaliber RT in it to see if I like it better.

Edited April 5, 2023 by runpuddrun

[Spinozist]

2 hours ago, runpuddrun said:

how do you like the NLU? I have the 5 and don't love it. I find that I can hit the 902 5i better than the NLU 5i, but maybe it's the shaft in it as I got the recoil es hybrid shaft in it. Maybe i'll throw a xcaliber RT in it to see if I like it better.

I've been hitting them well with some steel fiber hls shafts. Mainly I just found the TS1 5 and 6 to be a bit unforgiving, and the NLUs are less punishing on mishits. (In between I had the maltby tour FDIs.) Other than the added forgiveness I like how they look lol