Maltby TS2

[Cwebb]

57 minutes ago, mprince said:

Just received my TS3 DBM 7-iron.  Head looks fantastic, but Golfworks installed the shaft logo up?  Very distracting, guess I'll have to bring it to my local guy to have the shaft rotated 180°, frustrating...

 

Did you request it down in your order notes?  If not, they will always install them logo up

[mprince]

I did not request it down.  Live and learn.  If it bothers me that much, a touch of acetone should do the trick ...

[medic86]

3 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

It's certainly possible with your swing mechanics that you are releasing the R flex setup much better. 

It's als9 possible that the total weight of the Apex set is lower. But you are also stating that your driver swing speed is down 8 mph. Which is kind of confusing. Are you testing the TE and the Apex clubs back to back or was that previous data???

It was all previous data. My instructor fit me for stiff shafts. He said I was torquing the r flex too much. But I am pulling numbers when I was swinging my best during a lesson. 

[Cwebb]

1 hour ago, medic86 said:

It was all previous data. My instructor fit me for stiff shafts. He said I was torquing the r flex too much. But I am pulling numbers when I was swinging my best during a lesson. 

 

You have to compare on the same day back and forth to be accurate

[brew4eagle]

3 hours ago, mprince said:

Interesting.  I've never had an iron (custom or otherwise) where the shaft (not the grip) is logo up.

Golfworks always does logo up on shafts, pretty weird.  I always request logo turned under from them.

[mprince]

1 hour ago, brew4eagle said:

Golfworks always does logo up on shafts, pretty weird.  I always request logo turned under from them.

Yep, now I know.  Probably a moot point based on bringing the TS3 7i to the range today, it's not replacing anything in my bag anytime soon.  Probably going to throw a training grip on it and use it for practice.  Glad I tried it before I went for a full set.

[medic86]

7 hours ago, Cwebb said:

 

You have to compare on the same day back and forth to be accurate

I wish I could do that now.  I sold the old set a few days ago.  I guess I am just speculating.  My distances on the sim have not changed.  I have not played them on the course after fixing some swing issues to see how they play.  So far at the range, they seemed pretty much in line with my old set.  I am not complaining, especially since I'm getting the same distance with less swing speed. 

[gdb99]

On 6/7/2025 at 8:29 PM, medic86 said:

I do have a quick question.  I had a lesson on Friday and noticed that my new TE+ were swinging slower than I used to.  I was swinging my Callaway Edge 7 iron 80-83 mph.  The TEs were swinging 78-80.  I was achieving the same distance with more spin, so I was happy with that.  But my question is would stiff flex shafts (the Edge were regular) cause the drop in club head speed?  I also noticed about a 10 mph drop in my driver from 105 to 98.  The Edge set was a D1-3 swing weight, and my TE+ set is a C9 on my instructor's scale.  I am also wondering if they were just built lighter because of the heavier shaft.  

Buy a roll of lead tape and bring it to the range. Add tape to your iron heads until they feel good. C9 swing weight is likely the reason your speed is down with the irons.

Not understanding why the driver would be slower. Did you buy a new driver as well?

[ThinkingPlus]

Do all the Maltby wedges have the traditional long hosels? Anybody know why given the normal Maltby emphasis on moving the CG away from the hosel to a more face centered position?

[TKS]

On 6/8/2025 at 11:38 AM, Cwebb said:

 

You have to compare on the same day back and forth to be accurate

This. Very important for A/B testing 

[medic86]

6 hours ago, gdb99 said:

Buy a roll of lead tape and bring it to the range. Add tape to your iron heads until they feel good. C9 swing weight is likely the reason your speed is down with the irons.

Not understanding why the driver would be slower. Did you buy a new driver as well?

Yes.  I did buy a new driver.  I bought a KE4 TC Max.  I honestly think it has a combination of the swing weight and the flex of the shaft.  I am getting a lot more consistency on the range with my driver and a stiff shaft.  I think the regular shaft was a bit "whippy" causing the increase in head speed. 

[AZstu324]

3 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Do all the Maltby wedges have the traditional long hosels? Anybody know why given the normal Maltby emphasis on moving the CG away from the hosel to a more face centered position?

I've actually been meaning to reach out to Britt about this. A recent video on YouTube has called out that the new DRT horizontal CG is much closer to the hosel than other wedges. Almost between center and the hosel which is quite a bit. The Max milled is more toe side of center. I haven't noticed any negatives so far when playing them, but the thought is that if you're opening up the face, the CG i.e. sweet spot gets dangerously close to shanksville. 

 

If anybody else knows anything about this, please share! 

Edited June 9 by AZstu324

[Cwebb]

2 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

Do all the Maltby wedges have the traditional long hosels? Anybody know why given the normal Maltby emphasis on moving the CG away from the hosel to a more face centered position?

 

All the wedge set designs that I've seen have had the longer hosels.  They used to have sand wedges available in several of iron set designs, which had the same shorter hosels as the irons.

 

I've been wanting to see them design a shorter hosel stand alone wedge set for a long time.  I'd do the notch on the back of heel section that they've done on a couple different ones, along with maybe tungsten in the toe or an adjustable weight port there,...along with a shorter hosel.  Make them as forgiving across the face and towards the toe as their great iron sets, along with a good sole design.

 

Granted it won't make quite as much of a difference with the highest lofts, but it will still help, so why not try it.

[ThinkingPlus]

30 minutes ago, AZstu324 said:

I've actually been meaning to reach out to Britt about this. A recent video on YouTube has called out that the new DRT horizontal CG is much closer to the hosel than other wedges. Almost between center and the hosel which is quite a bit. The Max milled is more toe side of center. I haven't noticed any negatives so far when playing them, but the thought is that if you're opening up the face, the CG i.e. sweet spot gets dangerously close to shanksville. 

 

If anybody else knows anything about this, please share! 

On full shots I struggle a little finding the sweetspot as I transition from my TS4 GW to DRT SW. The GW CG is where it's supposed to be and I strike it solid. I find that I get better strikes with the DRT when I go a little OTT and the strike moves heel side. It's not a move I'm overly comfortable with.

[ThinkingPlus]

10 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

 

All the wedge set designs that I've seen have had the longer hosels.  They used to have sand wedges available in several of iron set designs, which had the same shorter hosels as the irons.

 

I've been wanting to see them design a shorter hosel stand alone wedge set for a long time.  I'd do the notch on the back of heel section that they've done on a couple different ones, along with maybe tungsten in the toe or an adjustable weight port there,...along with a shorter hosel.  Make them as forgiving across the face and towards the toe as their great iron sets, along with a good sole design.

 

Granted it won't make quite as much of a difference with the highest lofts, but it will still help, so why not try it.

It's so obvious, but no one does it. Long hosels in any club are an archaic design feature that should be permanently retired. Going short hosel would be a no brainer for a hi toe design. Keep the AVCOG appropriate for the loft with a centered horizontal CG. Perfect fit for Maltby designs.

[mattsaks]

On 6/9/2025 at 7:46 AM, mprince said:

Yep, now I know.  Probably a moot point based on bringing the TS3 7i to the range today, it's not replacing anything in my bag anytime soon.  Probably going to throw a training grip on it and use it for practice.  Glad I tried it before I went for a full set.

What didn't you like about it?

[Cwebb]

59 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

On full shots I struggle a little finding the sweetspot as I transition from my TS4 GW to DRT SW. The GW CG is where it's supposed to be and I strike it solid. I find that I get better strikes with the DRT when I go a little OTT and the strike moves heel side. It's not a move I'm overly comfortable with.

 

This has been my point of contention as well.  If it makes a noticeable difference on a set gap wedge, then why wouldn't it make a difference on the next loft up? 

 

It's definitely there and I can't think of any drawbacks to a shorter hosel wedge set, with a longer COG or "C-dimension"

[mprince]

30 minutes ago, mattsaks said:

What didn't you like about it?

Part of it was my swing at the range, but even on good swings where I caught it solid I wasn't getting any distance.  Could be the shaft (DG 105 R300), my current irons are Modus Tour 105 S, I wanted to try out a regular shaft as I feel like my swing speed has gone down.

 

At the end of my bucket I grabbed my current 8 iron (34°) and was hitting it 10-15 yards further than the 32° TS3 7i.

 

I'll give it another try when I get back from traveling this week, see if it feels better on the course.

[POKeefe]

Has anyone tried the TS4 vs. TE+ and have opinions on each? Same question on TS4 and Max Milled. Considering moving over to Maltby once the grooves on my wedges are cooked. 

Edited June 9 by POKeefe

[POKeefe]

1 hour ago, ThinkingPlus said:

On full shots I struggle a little finding the sweetspot as I transition from my TS4 GW to DRT SW. The GW CG is where it's supposed to be and I strike it solid. I find that I get better strikes with the DRT when I go a little OTT and the strike moves heel side. It's not a move I'm overly comfortable with.

This is something a few reviewers have noted and complained about. There isn't a lot of love for the DRT.

[ThinkingPlus]

55 minutes ago, POKeefe said:

This is something a few reviewers have noted and complained about. There isn't a lot of love for the DRT.

So far chips and sand shots have been fine. Haven't had to hit a lot of pitches yet. Full swing is definitely a work in progress though.

[Ger21]

2 hours ago, POKeefe said:

Has anyone tried the TS4 vs. TE+ and have opinions on each?

 

I'm playing the TS4 in 6-GW, and the TE+ 4-5 irons. There's hardly and difference between them. But I've never seen the TE+ short irons, so can't really compare them.

To me, the TS4 is just perfect.  The TE+ is nearly identical at address. You won't find a combo set that looks as similar over the ball as these do.

I've heard some say the TE+ feels softer, but I think it has to do with the slightly lower CG. Really good strikes with the TS4 feel as good as anything.

I may end up going all TS4 in the future, as they are just that good.

[runpuddrun]

50 minutes ago, Ger21 said:

 

I'm playing the TS4 in 6-GW, and the TE+ 4-5 irons. There's hardly and difference between them. But I've never seen the TE+ short irons, so can't really compare them.

To me, the TS4 is just perfect.  The TE+ is nearly identical at address. You won't find a combo set that looks as similar over the ball as these do.

I've heard some say the TE+ feels softer, but I think it has to do with the slightly lower CG. Really good strikes with the TS4 feel as good as anything.

I may end up going all TS4 in the future, as they are just that good.

Like you I started with the combo set wigg to 5-7 te+. Just recently I went to the 6 and 7 in ts4, and now all ts4, they are so so good. 

[Bryceslu]

6 hours ago, AZstu324 said:

I've actually been meaning to reach out to Britt about this. A recent video on YouTube has called out that the new DRT horizontal CG is much closer to the hosel than other wedges. Almost between center and the hosel which is quite a bit. The Max milled is more toe side of center. I haven't noticed any negatives so far when playing them, but the thought is that if you're opening up the face, the CG i.e. sweet spot gets dangerously close to shanksville. 

 

If anybody else knows anything about this, please share! 

Is there any posted cog specs of their wedges? I can’t seem to find anything listed for this. 
My dad has a tsw 56 and my buddy just got a drt 56A. I don’t care for the shape and forward leading front edge of the tsw. I also don’t care for the shape of the drt as it looks very square, including leading edge. 
I was waiting for the drt 60 and maybe the S grind and what people thought of it, but I just ordered a tsw drm 60 after reading these posts. I need a replacement 60 pretty bad and the tsw is very cheap. I’ll see how it goes. 

[Ger21]

9 hours ago, Bryceslu said:

I also don’t care for the shape of the drt as it looks very square, including leading edge. 

 

I absolutely love the shape of the DRT.  It reminds me of Nike VR Pro wedges, which were fantastic.

I played Fourteen RM-4's for two years, and sold them after one round with the DRT. I never liked the more rounded shape of the RM-4, and always struggled to find the center. With the DRT, I'm flushing them every shot. Everyone has their preferences.

[jblough99]

13 hours ago, mprince said:

Part of it was my swing at the range, but even on good swings where I caught it solid I wasn't getting any distance.  Could be the shaft (DG 105 R300), my current irons are Modus Tour 105 S, I wanted to try out a regular shaft as I feel like my swing speed has gone down.

 

At the end of my bucket I grabbed my current 8 iron (34°) and was hitting it 10-15 yards further than the 32° TS3 7i.

 

I'll give it another try when I get back from traveling this week, see if it feels better on the course.

 

I've always had the same issue with Maltby irons, have tested the original TE, the TE DBM, the TE+, and the TS3.  My theory is the extremely low CG is so far below the center of the ball that it's not transferring energy as efficiently as something with a CG closer to the equator.  Im a higher speed player (97-101mph 7 iron) and hit down with a good bit of shaft lean.  The reason I've always tested these is my miss is thin so figured these would be ideal, which for my miss they are, but for a normal strike I'm giving up too much.

[wantacigar]

10 hours ago, Bryceslu said:

Is there any posted cog specs of their wedges? I can’t seem to find anything listed for this. 
My dad has a tsw 56 and my buddy just got a drt 56A. I don’t care for the shape and forward leading front edge of the tsw. I also don’t care for the shape of the drt as it looks very square, including leading edge. 
I was waiting for the drt 60 and maybe the S grind and what people thought of it, but I just ordered a tsw drm 60 after reading these posts. I need a replacement 60 pretty bad and the tsw is very cheap. I’ll see how it goes. 

I have the 56 TSW DRM and the 50 TSW DRM.  The only issue I have is they have a tendency to dig.  I have a really difficult time out of the sand but do enjoy chipping with them.  I find that is I EVER SO SLIGHTLY open the face they don't dig as much.  They also work better on tight lies.

I went to the 54 and 58 Max Milled 1.05 sole.  The 58 has improved my sand play ALLOT.  I just don't open the face on them like I would with the TSW.

Edited June 10 by wantacigar

[Cwebb]

19 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

It's so obvious, but no one does it. Long hosels in any club are an archaic design feature that should be permanently retired. Going short hosel would be a no brainer for a hi toe design. Keep the AVCOG appropriate for the loft with a centered horizontal CG. Perfect fit for Maltby designs.

 

Several years back, Titleist and Cleveland marketed that they had shortened their wedge hosels somewhat, to help move the COG towards center face.  Still wasn't close to the shorter hosel lengths of Maltby iron designs.

 

Now Titleist has gone to progressive hosel lengths for a progressive COG height.  I don't like it

[Cameron Circle T]

Just now, Cwebb said:

 

Several years back, Titleist and Cleveland marketed that they had shortened their wedge hosels somewhat, to help move the COG towards center face.  Still wasn't close to the shorter hosel lengths of Maltby iron designs.

 

Now Titleist has gone to progressive hosel lengths for a progressive COG height.  I don't like it

And they've gone the other way. Comparing e.g., the RTX6 hosel length to the RTX4, the 6 is much longer than the 4.

[Cwebb]

4 hours ago, jblough99 said:

 

I've always had the same issue with Maltby irons, have tested the original TE, the TE DBM, the TE+, and the TS3.  My theory is the extremely low CG is so far below the center of the ball that it's not transferring energy as efficiently as something with a CG closer to the equator.  Im a higher speed player (97-101mph 7 iron) and hit down with a good bit of shaft lean.  The reason I've always tested these is my miss is thin so figured these would be ideal, which for my miss they are, but for a normal strike I'm giving up too much.

 

You would fit better into one of their iron designs that doesn't have as low of a COG.  Like the TS4 or TS1-im