Maltby TS2

[Grape]

Anyone have any perspective on how the turf interaction is on the TS3s? 

[Popeye64]

23 minutes ago, Gdashoff said:

Anyone hit the new TC max driver? I need to upgrade from my cheapo Tommy Armour TA1 which I spray all over the fairway. 

I did briefly Wednesday night. Surprised how good it felt. Only had time for two swings. 

[SE Gamer]

1 hour ago, Gdashoff said:

Anyone hit the new TC max driver? I need to upgrade from my cheapo Tommy Armour TA1 which I spray all over the fairway. 

 

There was a guy in the 2023 Maltby thread who posted pics of a TC Max he'd purchased. IIRC, so far he really liked it.

[Gdashoff]

34 minutes ago, SE Gamer said:

 

There was a guy in the 2023 Maltby thread who posted pics of a TC Max he'd purchased. IIRC, so far he really liked it.

Yea I've seen a couple people say they've hit a couple balls with it and like it but that's about it. 

 

I was looking at this vs a Radspeed or TEE E722, doubt I'll see that comparison anywhere though 🤣

[SE Gamer]

2 minutes ago, Gdashoff said:

Yea I've seen a couple people say they've hit a couple balls with it and like it but that's about it. 

 

I was looking at this vs a Radspeed or TEE E722, doubt I'll see that comparison anywhere though 🤣

 

Yeah. I'd say it's highly unlikely anyone is doing that comparison. 

FWIW, I have hit the non-Max version. Guy in my league has one. Liked it quite a bit. And didn't feel I'd be giving up anything if I were to use it instead of my SIM max.

[dhen9]

My KE4 TC performs well enough that I sold my TSR2 to make back a few bucks. My KE4 is 45" with Mitsu C6 red stiff and TSR2 was 45" with Oban Kiyoshi Gold. Performance was nearly identical and both were optimal for my SS and AoA. One was nearly $1k to build and one, well, wasn't. 

[Cut5]

Does anyone play the MPF Pro Series shafts? Was looking to experiment with the fairway versions for my 3 wood as I've heard very good things about them. Driver SS is ~110, but I've been reading the FW shafts play stiff to flex so would the stiff hold up at this speed with or without a little extra tipping?

 

From what I gather, this a mid bend profile shaft, but is it comparable to any other popular shafts I might be more familiar with? 

 

Fwiw, looking for a little higher launch and spin for a pxg proto 3 with tensei av raw 75x. 

[deepred]

3 hours ago, Cut5 said:

Does anyone play the MPF Pro Series shafts? Was looking to experiment with the fairway versions for my 3 wood as I've heard very good things about them. Driver SS is ~110, but I've been reading the FW shafts play stiff to flex so would the stiff hold up at this speed with or without a little extra tipping?

 

From what I gather, this a mid bend profile shaft, but is it comparable to any other popular shafts I might be more familiar with? 

 

Fwiw, looking for a little higher launch and spin for a pxg proto 3 with tensei av raw 75x. 

I’m not familiar with those other two shafts, I can compare it to the various versions of the NV and the MPF shafts are plenty stout to flex. My driver club speed is 112, I’d put the MPF between the NV and NVS as far as launch 

Edited February 26, 2023 by deepred

[gdb99]

3 hours ago, Cut5 said:

Does anyone play the MPF Pro Series shafts? Was looking to experiment with the fairway versions for my 3 wood as I've heard very good things about them. Driver SS is ~110, but I've been reading the FW shafts play stiff to flex so would the stiff hold up at this speed with or without a little extra tipping?

 

From what I gather, this a mid bend profile shaft, but is it comparable to any other popular shafts I might be more familiar with? 

 

Fwiw, looking for a little higher launch and spin for a pxg proto 3 with tensei av raw 75x. 

Which AV Raw? They have White, Orange, and Blue.

I don't know what the profile is of the Pro Series shafts are, but mid bend profiles are typically the "blue" shafts from different OEM shaft manufacturers. Blueboard, Tensei Blue, Aldila tour Blue, Graphite Design DI, along those lines.

At 110 driver speed, you are borderline stiff - X stiff, so I think you would be right in the range for stiff with this line, from what I have read, and depending on how you swing and load a shaft. It would be a pretty cheap experiment.

Edited February 26, 2023 by gdb99

[Cut5]

Appreciate the replies. Also, to clarify it's an Av raw white 75x. Feels great but is definitely a high bend profile and works excellent off the tee but launches a bit low off the fairway for me. I'll probably give the Maltby pro FW a try then, especially if it fits between the NV and NVS profiles as that's the window I'm after.

 

Still interested to hear other opinions from those who have played this shaft in any of the other flexes. 

[Bigarch]

First coat is in.  2nd coat and touch up will go in tonight.  Ever since I saw this club, I just thought that logo needed some red paint.

[Klubster]

It is funny that others are trying to remove colors from Maltby heads.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Klubster

[RSLP]

@Cut5 Britt or Jim Y can help you, they normally respond in a day or two via email.  You can also use their forum to ask questions.  Please report back once you play them!

[iamlowsound]

On 2/26/2023 at 3:55 PM, Cut5 said:

Appreciate the replies. Also, to clarify it's an Av raw white 75x. Feels great but is definitely a high bend profile and works excellent off the tee but launches a bit low off the fairway for me. I'll probably give the Maltby pro FW a try then, especially if it fits between the NV and NVS profiles as that's the window I'm after.

 

Still interested to hear other opinions from those who have played this shaft in any of the other flexes. 

I have an iron one in my driving iron, cut to stiff. I'm hitting 105-108 clubhead with my driving iron and it feels really solid in the swing and at impact. I don't think that it needs to be tipped more for that swing speed but you should be playing the most flexible shaft that still returns the club to square at impact. It's honestly my favourite shaft in my bag, love the way it feels loading and releasing. I like to call it a poor man's Tensei Blue and it even has the same MPF rating as the Tensei Blue, I have a Tensei Blue in my Callaway 3w and have great success with it. I'm considering putting one of the UL into my driver to test an ultra light shaft and I'll probably get the TS4 irons with them when those come out. The shafts are as good as the heads. 

[Therty]

On further testing, on a large sample size (50 shots with each), TS-3 launches about 1.5* higher for me than TS-1 with ~400rpm less spin… which makes sense considering the design.

[Popeye64]

Spent some more time with the KE4 TCMax. A bit underwhelmed. 

Felt great but really couldn't get it going. Actually wasn't really sure where on the face I was hitting it. Feeling never really changed. Good shot or bad.  I want to throw a few shafts at it and see if there is a better combo. 

The big standout has been the Stealth 2 so far. Both the driver and the 3 wood are monsters. 

Edited February 28, 2023 by Popeye64

[SE Gamer]

Not Maltby specific, but figured I'd add a follow-up to the recent discussion around feel. Specifically in regard to the impact sound has on how feel is perceived.

 

The weather finally got nice enough to make a trip to the range this weekend. All winter I've been hitting balls at home with my new set of irons (Rogue ST Pro that I got for a great deal). While they didn't feel bad at home. They definitely didn't feel as good as the blades they're replacing. Nor even quite as good as the TS1 7 iron I'd been testing throughout last year. 

 

Outdoors, they "felt" significantly better. Zero difference in ball striking. Just purely from the sound change due to the environment.

 

Really liking these irons. Yet I haven't abandoned the prospect of bagging the TS1-IM when it drops. Just couldn't delay gratification on a new set while I waited. 

 

Definitely still picking up a TS1-IM for testing as soon as it's available. Will be really interesting to see how it stacks up against the ST Pro. And will be sure to share the details here if anyone is interested.

[T_Golf_23]

On 6/29/2018 at 5:06 PM, Popeye64 said:

Tonight I grabbed a cart and went out right after league so I was able to drop a few balls and do some oncourse testing.

 

My gamers are the MMB Blacks with KBS Tour 105 S. The TS2 and the PTM have an identically setup TT Score LT S. The PTM head is a few grams heavier but.. Feels a lot heavier when swung. I did not swing weight them. All 6 irons.

 

I was hitting all Pro V1s. I was dropping balls at the 190-195 mark and some at 200. Even though my MMB is a whole club off in loft I put it up against the others. Now these being my gamers I really know how to hit them to squeeze out some distance. The MMBs wound up being a half club short but i was able to hit every green with them on all 7 holes i dropped three balls. I struggled with the PTM and seemed to want to hook the ball, struggled in relative terms. The TS2 played like a club i have been playing all year. All shots made the green even the badly hit balls. The level of forgiveness shocked me. All the MMBs were hit on the button. The TS2 had one off the toe and one off the heel. The rest were a nice flush shot.

 

The more i played the TS2 the better they felt and the better they went. Compared to the MMB Blacks they are marshmallow soft. Towards the end of the round i was playing holes so I could play the TS2 in.

 

I dont think i have ever been able to play a club as quickly as I did the TS2. I could game them tomorrow.

 

While the PTM wasnt horrible,, the TS2 was fantastic. If the blade version wasnt in the works I would buy a set of these tomorrow. I can see a mixed set in the future as being a killer way to go. I play very very well with the MMBs but I think it would be a very tough choice on what would make the bag.

Somehow came upon this thread through some others…. 
 

pretty ironic… I have a set of MMB black that were built with limited black modus 115x shafts. Too them out today for the first time in a few months. 
 

I cannot believe how easy these blades are to play… hit the 4 iron on a dog leg…. It went too far… ended up in the woods off the end of the fairway. 
 

these are some “tech” packed blades. 
 

everyone gives the wilson staff blades tons of love for how easy they are to play… and I have those blades as well, love them, but man …the MMB irons are super stable across the face, get high in the air and go far… and they feel really great.  Nice and soft off the face. If these had a mainstream OEM label… they would still be a top iron today. 

 

these won’t be my gamers, some of the tech in the new ping irons is wildly consistent….. but these are staying around 

 

[marktheblake]

On 2/22/2023 at 2:04 AM, Spinozist said:

It's kind of funny/weird how none of the prominent youtubers review Maltby gear. They seem fine to do all the other dtc brands but not Maltby! Here we just had the launch of a gorgeous iron suitable for many players, at a competitive price point, and crickets from the youtube gallery.  

Because there is no money in it - the youtuber target audience only want to drink the cool-aid from the majors.

Ralph Maltby and Tom Wishon may well be the smartest blokes in the business, and virtually nobody has heard of them, they deserve/deserved way more airtime.

 

Golfworks is essentially a wholesale supplier to clubmakers, thats their primary market.  Every clubmaker on the planet knows about Golfworks, there is no real competition, so no brand recognition is further necessary, there is no need for them to go to any expense or otherwise to promote social media influences income.

 

We Maltby fanatics really dont want golfworks to get bigger, that will drive change and the will lose the culture that they have that we like so much.

 

 

p.s.  Britt said that its kind of on their radar to do their own social media but its not a priority.

[ChaosTheory]

10 hours ago, Therty said:

On further testing, on a large sample size (50 shots with each), TS-3 launches about 1.5* higher for me than TS-1 with ~400rpm less spin… which makes sense considering the design.

TS3 spins less than TS1, loft for loft and same shafts?

 I’m surprised.  I figured the power construction would spin less.

[Therty]

Just now, Snowman9000 said:

TS3 spins less than TS1, loft for loft and same shafts?

 I’m surprised.  I figured the power construction would spin less.

Yes. Same loft, same shaft (x100). The cg on the ts-3 is LOW

[iamlowsound]

29 minutes ago, Snowman9000 said:

TS3 spins less than TS1, loft for loft and same shafts?

 I’m surprised.  I figured the power construction would spin less.

The TS1 is the highest spinning hollow iron I've hit and I've hit the majority of them. I average ~6,500 with the 7i and any other one I'm around 5,500 to 5,700. All testing has been done on a Trackman using a Titleist AVX RCT ball so spin is accurate. 

[ChaosTheory]

Man I passed up a nice used set of TS1 heads.  Grrr.

[Grape]

Wondering if I should pull the trigger on the TS3s or wait for the TS4s (think I saw late May or June availability). 

Anyone have thoughts on how much the TS4s will play from a forgiveness perspective, perhaps based on prior MB experience from Maltby. Seems like they will be packing quite a bit of tech into the TS4s, which might help in that department. I’m a 5hc, and pretty decent ball striker. I like the looks of the TS4s, but if there is a big advantage in forgiveness in the TS3s I would just go that direction.  

[Popeye64]

Just now, Grape said:

Wondering if I should pull the trigger on the TS3s or wait for the TS4s (think I saw late May or June availability). 

Anyone have thoughts on how much the TS4s will play from a forgiveness perspective, perhaps based on prior MB experience from Maltby. Seems like they will be packing quite a bit of tech into the TS4s, which might help in that department. I’m a 5hc, and pretty decent ball striker. I like the looks of the TS4s, but if there is a big advantage in forgiveness in the TS3s I would just go that direction.  

Mostly I would base that decision on whether you are a digger or a sweeper. If you sweep the ball the TS4 might be for you. If you need some forgiveness then a mixed set may be best. 

But still it's a guess. The TS4 should be at a minimum as forgiving as the MMB-17. Which was an easy club to play if you picked it clean. 

[ode1]

2 hours ago, Therty said:

Yes. Same loft, same shaft (x100). The cg on the ts-3 is LOW

Curious how the ts3 compares spin wise to other irons you have played.....in general is it lower than all the others, etc?   TIA

[Therty]

33 minutes ago, ode said:

Curious how the ts3 compares spin wise to other irons you have played.....in general is it lower than all the others, etc?   TIA

It's 'low', but totally playable, it's not like I'm hitting knuckles. I said before off a mat I look for ~5800-6400 rpm with a 7i, knowing I'm going to be closer to 6500-6900 off a fairway. The below is is with a pro v1x (rct).

 

 

if you like how the ts-3 performs and feels i would suggest it’s probably an iron I would re-test a few different balls with to see what hits the launch and spin windows I was after.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Therty

[coreyhr]

37 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

Mostly I would base that decision on whether you are a digger or a sweeper. If you sweep the ball the TS4 might be for you. If you need some forgiveness then a mixed set may be best. 

But still it's a guess. The TS4 should be at a minimum as forgiving as the MMB-17. Which was an easy club to play if you picked it clean. 

What would you guys say constitutes being a sweeper or digger in terms of angle of attack? I play on firm-ish conditions during the summer and don't take overly large divots. My AOA with a 7 iron consistently ranges in the -4* to -5* range. I've played Z745's for years with no issues from the V-sole. Just curious where my AOA technically puts me in the sweeper or digger department. 

[Therty]

3 minutes ago, coreyhr said:

What would you guys say constitutes being a sweeper or digger in terms of angle of attack? I play on firm-ish conditions during the summer and don't take overly large divots. My AOA with a 7 iron consistently ranges in the -4* to -5* range. I've played Z745's for years with no issues from the V-sole. Just curious where my AOA technically puts me in the sweeper or digger department. 

Neutral. Id say sweeper is when you start getting higher than -2*, and digger when you get lower than -6* - but thats just my generalization. In between there you can get along with a lot of different sole shapes.

Edited February 28, 2023 by Therty

[Popeye64]

Just now, coreyhr said:

What would you guys say constitutes being a sweeper or digger in terms of angle of attack? I play on firm-ish conditions during the summer and don't take overly large divots. My AOA with a 7 iron consistently ranges in the -4* to -5* range. I've played Z745's for years with no issues from the V-sole. Just curious where my AOA technically puts me in the sweeper or digger department. 

I only pay attention to AOA on my driver but I'm routinely at -3or-4. I'm steep into the ball with my irons but usually don't lay the sod over the ball. I strike the ball very well. The new wave of irons are extremely turf friendly. The Malby sole is a 4 way radius. It's about as friendly as it gets. The TS4 has the narrowest sole and a modest sized rocker. 

So to me that's about the only offering that will be turf sensitive to a digger. 

My .02.