Maltby TS2

[iamlowsound]

1 hour ago, azgreg said:

 

 

Looks like a Callaway. Not that the Apex doesn't look like the TS1 or anything like that. 

[vandyfan]

I am terrible at photos. Will try to get some outside tomorrow. 
 

 

[5 O'Clock Charlie]

I can't believe that sole is bigger than the gi-22. Holy moly.

[vandyfan]

Compared against a PTxPro 7 iron which is shorter blade length but looks “thicker” and chunkier with more offset vs the DBM. From the address position the DBM looks very sleek, to me.

 

and an “in the bag” picture…

Edited November 1, 2023 by vandyfan

[Popeye64]

48 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

Compared against a PTxPro 7 iron which is shorter blade length but looks “thicker” and chunkier with more offset vs the DBM. From the address position the DBM looks very sleek, to me.

 

and an “in the bag” picture…

Have you hit them yet?

[ericft]

5 minutes ago, Popeye64 said:

Have you hit them yet?

What he said…waiting for the feel reviews as well as forgiveness 

[htaolx]

1 hour ago, vandyfan said:

Compared against a PTxPro 7 iron which is shorter blade length but looks “thicker” and chunkier with more offset vs the DBM. From the address position the DBM looks very sleek, to me.

 

and an “in the bag” picture…

You take great pics, these look solid.

[enfuego]

4 hours ago, azgreg said:

 

 

How much does the badge weigh? 

[Cwebb]

38 minutes ago, enfuego said:

How much does the badge weigh? 

 

about 1.5 grams

[deepred]

10 hours ago, azgreg said:

I like the way it looks. It looks utilitarian. It looks workman like. It looks like a tool which is what it really is.

 

Did you paint the cavity?

[wjmfour1]

Did you just heat the face to remove the badge? Would be interested in removing the badge for a KE4 Max build I'm working on 

[Popeye64]

Just now, wjmfour1 said:

Did you just heat the face to remove the badge? Would be interested in removing the badge for a KE4 Max build I'm working 

A touch of heat would help. But using a pick or a scribe you just need to get under the edge somewhere. They come off pretty easy.

[Popeye64]

12 hours ago, azgreg said:

 

 

I'm just blown away at how much that improved the looks of the Tour+. That design was an awesome test mule. Over the years I must have had 15, 7 iron heads spread out on existing design or prototype shafts. I'll bet I have at least 7 or 8 still kicking around. 

I should grab a set for nostalgia before they disappear. They earned it. 

[vandyfan]

9 hours ago, Popeye64 said:

Have you hit them yet?

i have only hit the 7 iron in my home “practice area” (shown below) and it is currently 34 degrees outside.

 

 

They don’t feel overly soft, there is a slight clickyness (potentially from the DBM finish) but so far they seem very easy to flush and hit the center. Feedback seems good. For reference, I would not describe my Hogan irons as overly soft either. The hogans have tungsten and feel like they have more “heft” at impact. All that said, the feeling of hitting the DBMs is nice. I hit the sub70 639cbs a while ago and these feel similar if not slightly less soft than the sub 70. 
 

Also, on the FST 125 front, I am not having trouble (so far) making good swings with the lighter shaft. The kick point feels lower in the FST vs KBS tour 120 but they aren’t whippy or anything.

[BarfordGolf]

The new DBM v4 look Exceptional. 

[azgreg]

7 hours ago, deepred said:

Did you paint the cavity?

No sir.

 

[azgreg]

7 hours ago, deepred said:

Did you paint the cavity?

It just peeled off with a blade.

 

[deepred]

24 minutes ago, azgreg said:

It just peeled off with a blade.

 

May have to give it a go

[vandyfan]

Initial Outdoor Range Session with DBM vs current gamers:

 

TE+ V4 DBM w/ FST 125 stiff shaft (32*) vs Ben Hogan PTxPro w/ KBS Tour 120 stiff shaft (34*)

 

Look: Love the look of them at address and in the bag. They are stunning in a minimalist way. The blade length is LONG but it is hidden a bit with the black and the lesser offset but compared, side by side, against other irons they show their length. 

Turf Interaction: Seems fine with the DBMs, I take a divot and have around -6 * attack angle and it rained yesterday and these were fine. My PTxPros have a V-Sole and I didn't feel a ton of difference between them. Nothing diggy like the previous version of the TE. 

Sound/Feel: They are softish but not really in the realm of the soft forgings. The DBM probably adds a little bit of a harsher feel but these were still plenty nice to hit. Just don't expect some pillow soft strike. ALSO THE SLIGHT BIT OF HARSHENESS COULD BE EXAGERRATED BY THE FST SHAFT. They sound pretty good, tried to get a video here that captured the sound. 

FullSizeRender.MOV

 

Flight: These were not ballooning for me or overly spinny. We have confirmation of that via trackman below. Felt more workable than my PTxPros AND fades were easier to hit, possibly due to less offset. They were flying slightly lower than my PTxPros which is down to the 2* difference in loft I believe. 

Overall: Liked the feel of them and they get through the turf fine. Normal shot shape was there and feedback is fairly precise on mishits. 
 

 

 

Trackman Numbers with DBM vs Current Gamer:

 

 

 

 

Amateurish Fitter Thoughts (i.e. my own):

 

The land angle concerns me. I came into this worrying that the lower VCOG was going to (potentially) balloon my shots. I guess good news is that it did not. But I think I would prefer closer to a 45* land angle with a 7 iron. I was also surprised that the PTxPros still kept up, carrywise. Also, the delta on the PTxPro is SO MUCH tighter. In fairness some or all of this could be down to the difference in shaft (DBM has a cheap FST shaft in it). Also, I am very used to the PTxPros and the 7 iron has tungsten in the toe which gives me a little extra ballspeed (I assume) on toe side strikes. The DBM, in all honesty, is still very playable for me and it is just going up against a club (PTxPro) that has beaten out Mizuno Pros + JPX, TM P-770, Titleist 150, Cobra MIM Tour, Sub 70 639CB, New Level 902s, Ping i230s, etc. 

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by vandyfan

[Cwebb]

57 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

Initial Outdoor Range Session with DBM vs current gamers:

 

Amateurish Fitter Thoughts (i.e. my own):

 

The land angle concerns me. I came into this worrying that the lower VCOG was going to (potentially) balloon my shots. I guess good news is that it did not. But I think I would prefer closer to a 45* land angle with a 7 iron. I was also surprised that the PTxPros still kept up, carrywise. Also, the delta on the PTxPro is SO MUCH tighter. In fairness some or all of this could be down to the difference in shaft (DBM has a cheap FST shaft in it). Also, I am very used to the PTxPros and the 7 iron has tungsten in the toe which gives me a little extra ballspeed (I assume) on toe side strikes. The DBM, in all honesty, is still very playable for me and it is just going up against a club (PTxPro) that has beaten out Mizuno Pros + JPX, TM P-770, Titleist 150, Cobra MIM Tour, Sub 70 639CB, New Level 902s, Ping i230s, etc. 

 

 

As for the landing angle, it sounds like closer to 34* might be the optimal loft for your 7 iron.  Which would then fall in line with a 46* Pw.  I was able to move the original DBM's 2*, but you have to be careful with them

Edited November 1, 2023 by Cwebb

[vandyfan]

2 minutes ago, Cwebb said:

As for the landing angle, it sounds like closer to 34* might be the optimal loft for your 7 iron.

 

Yes, another reason that the PTxPros work better for me (34* 7 iron with a 46* PW). Honestly, I just think that head design (the PTxPro) works really well for me.

 

Like a total weirdo, I am now looking at TS-3 heads as well because 🤷‍♂️ why not? The DBMs are very good they just didn't quite give me a reason to change. 

[Cwebb]

1 minute ago, vandyfan said:

 

Yes, another reason that the PTxPros work better for me (34* 7 iron with a 46* PW). Honestly, I just think that head design (the PTxPro) works really well for me.

 

Like a total weirdo, I am now looking at TS-3 heads as well because 🤷‍♂️ why not? The DBMs are very good they just didn't quite give me a reason to change. 

 

If you do get another test club, I'd have them set the actual loft to 34* so you can do a true comparison....plus it sounds like that loft fits you anyways

[enfuego]

1 hour ago, vandyfan said:

Initial Outdoor Range Session with DBM vs current gamers:

 

TE+ V4 DBM w/ FST 125 stiff shaft (32*) vs Ben Hogan PTxPro w/ KBS Tour 120 stiff shaft (34*)

 

Look: Love the look of them at address and in the bag. They are stunning in a minimalist way. The blade length is LONG but it is hidden a bit with the black and the lesser offset but compared, side by side, against other irons they show their length. 

Turf Interaction: Seems fine with the DBMs, I take a divot and have around -6 * attack angle and it rained yesterday and these were fine. My PTxPros have a V-Sole and I didn't feel a ton of difference between them. Nothing diggy like the previous version of the TE. 

Sound/Feel: They are softish but not really in the realm of the soft forgings. The DBM probably adds a little bit of a harsher feel but these were still plenty nice to hit. Just don't expect some pillow soft strike. ALSO THE SLIGHT BIT OF HARSHENESS COULD BE EXAGERRATED BY THE FST SHAFT. They sound pretty good, tried to get a video here that captured the sound. 

FullSizeRender.MOV 4.72 MB · 1 download

 

Flight: These were not ballooning for me or overly spinny. We have confirmation of that via trackman below. Felt more workable than my PTxPros AND fades were easier to hit, possibly due to less offset. They were flying slightly lower than my PTxPros which is down to the 2* difference in loft I believe. 

Overall: Liked the feel of them and they get through the turf fine. Normal shot shape was there and feedback is fairly precise on mishits. 
 

 

 

Trackman Numbers with DBM vs Current Gamer:

 

 

 

 

Amateurish Fitter Thoughts (i.e. my own):

 

The land angle concerns me. I came into this worrying that the lower VCOG was going to (potentially) balloon my shots. I guess good news is that it did not. But I think I would prefer closer to a 45* land angle with a 7 iron. I was also surprised that the PTxPros still kept up, carrywise. Also, the delta on the PTxPro is SO MUCH tighter. In fairness some or all of this could be down to the difference in shaft (DBM has a cheap FST shaft in it). Also, I am very used to the PTxPros and the 7 iron has tungsten in the toe which gives me a little extra ballspeed (I assume) on toe side strikes. The DBM, in all honesty, is still very playable for me and it is just going up against a club (PTxPro) that has beaten out Mizuno Pros + JPX, TM P-770, Titleist 150, Cobra MIM Tour, Sub 70 639CB, New Level 902s, Ping i230s, etc. 

 

You could probably play the Score shaft or a similar higher launch/spin to get what you need.

[SwingBlues]

2 hours ago, vandyfan said:

 

Yes, another reason that the PTxPros work better for me (34* 7 iron with a 46* PW). Honestly, I just think that head design (the PTxPro) works really well for me.

 

Like a total weirdo, I am now looking at TS-3 heads as well because 🤷‍♂️ why not? The DBMs are very good they just didn't quite give me a reason to change. 

 

YEAH - do the TS-3, they look lovely. I don't see any improvements with the DBMs either to warrant a change, PTXs are just fine. This case, newer is not better...

[Popeye64]

So I got home today and had a few TE V4s waiting. 

It's a beautiful head. Truly awesome lines to it. The understated elegance is just a wow. It struck me as fairly small and compact. So I grabbed my beloved PTM Blacks. I could easily see the size gap. Grabbing the calipers shows the difference. I couldn't hold the head, caliper and the camera all at once but you get the idea. I also noted the much shorter hosel length. This falls right in line with all of the TS releases. 

I'm so jacked up with stuff to do this week I won't even get it assembled never mind hit for a good week. I expect the smaller size to make it a bit more demanding than the PTM Black. But all along I have imagined them as a short iron fill in for the PTM Black set. Specifically the PW, GW. Also as of note that V4 top line is tight! Screams blade like at address. So far visuals are a massive hit for me. 

[Bad9]

I want a set!

[terry55]

On 10/30/2023 at 8:58 PM, Colej said:

https://ralphmaltby.com/questions/question/ts2-discontinued/

The only thing that will live on from the TS2 will be the title of this forum. 

[vandyfan]

One random question on these FST shafts, they seem to be "creaking" a little bit. That is the only way I can describe the sound of them flexing. It is usually after a shot I can here it creak a little bit like it is flexing. Is this because they are new? I have never heard a shaft make this noise before. Almost seems like they are "breaking in" (hopefully not breaking). Is that a thing? I haven't had new irons in a while. 

[Cameron Circle T]

Could be the epoxy creaking in the hosel. I've had it happen. Sometimes a bad batch, sometimes not roughed up enough on the tip/hosel, etc.

[JimmyC59]

11 minutes ago, vandyfan said:

One random question on these FST shafts, they seem to be "creaking" a little bit. That is the only way I can describe the sound of them flexing. It is usually after a shot I can here it creak a little bit like it is flexing. Is this because they are new? I have never heard a shaft make this noise before. Almost seems like they are "breaking in" (hopefully not breaking). Is that a thing? I haven't had new irons in a while. 

How old are you?

I frequently hear creaking while hitting, but it's my 63 year old bones!