Most overrated player on tour?

[Arpeggi]

Tommy Fleetwood

[tsecor]

@lowheel

 

jut cuz you type it, doesn't make it true

 

https://www.pgatour....in-johnson.html

[tsecor]

@lowheel

 

1 major in his entire career with how long he has been on tour with all the hype he gets? ya, it makes sense. Has nothing to do do with bias because I like him, so you couldn't be more wrong.

 

your issue is you dont understand the term overrated.

 

the opinion of him is much higher than his actual performance over 10 years.....that doesn't mean he isn't good or doesn't have great stats...but where are the majors?

 

P.S - Add Sam Snead to the list of great players who had 3-4 years between major wins....lee Trevino, 10 years.....

[andrieddle]

Rickie is done chasing tails, he got engaged earlier this year, his life is going to be more stable from now on, his focus will sharpen and he will eventually get things right and win more events and majors.

 

Let's go Rickie!

define "stable"... ;)

 

Netflix and chill instead of clubs hopping

[Bingo1976]

There will only ever be one Tiger Woods and no player will dominate the way he did . Jack Nicklaus may have more majors than Tiger but was it over a longer period ?

You ask the pro's who played in Tiger's dominance and they feared playing with Tiger with all the galleries and craziness that went on . Tiger was truly dominant and there was never one before him and neither will there be one after him .

Maybe the closest was Bobby Jones .

 

You cannot state that.

 

Unless you have a time machine.

 

Which you don't.

[lowheel]

@lowheel

 

jut cuz you type it, doesn't make it true

 

https://www.pgatour....in-johnson.html

 

What exactly did i type wrong?

[lowheel]

@lowheel

 

1 major in his entire career with how long he has been on tour with all the hype he gets? ya, it makes sense. Has nothing to do do with bias because I like him, so you couldn't be more wrong.

 

your issue is you dont understand the term overrated.

 

the opinion of him is much higher than his actual performance over 10 years.....that doesn't mean he isn't good or doesn't have great stats...but where are the majors?

 

P.S - Add Sam Snead to the list of great players who had 3-4 years between major wins....lee Trevino, 10 years.....

 

Quickly without checking who has the most wins on tour the last 10 years? then who has the second most?

 

surprise tiger and DJ both have 18 and both have 1 major. Which one is overrated in your book?

 

Also, i believe you dont understand the term overrated because you cant apply it here. We can say DJ has under achieved in majors so far but hes in his prime and has given himself plenty of stellar chances. hes blown a few himself sure but you dont become world #1 and lead the top tour on earth in wins over a decade if youre overrated. Barring injuries i dont see how he doesnt get one or 2 more majors while playing at this level. im happy to hear you like DJ because the amount of grief youre giving him makes no sense. Underachieving versus overrated.Its objective and subjective at the same time.

[tsecor]

@lowheel

 

1 major in his entire career with how long he has been on tour with all the hype he gets? ya, it makes sense. Has nothing to do do with bias because I like him, so you couldn't be more wrong.

 

your issue is you dont understand the term overrated.

 

the opinion of him is much higher than his actual performance over 10 years.....that doesn't mean he isn't good or doesn't have great stats...but where are the majors?

 

P.S - Add Sam Snead to the list of great players who had 3-4 years between major wins....lee Trevino, 10 years.....

 

Quickly without checking who has the most wins on tour the last 10 years? then who has the second most?

 

surprise tiger and DJ both have 18 and both have 1 major. Which one is overrated in your book?

 

Also, i believe you dont understand the term overrated because you cant apply it here. We can say DJ has under achieved in majors so far but hes in his prime and has given himself plenty of stellar chances. hes blown a few himself sure but you dont become world #1 and lead the top tour on earth in wins over a decade if youre overrated. Barring injuries i dont see how he doesnt get one or 2 more majors while playing at this level. im happy to hear you like DJ because the amount of grief youre giving him makes no sense. Underachieving versus overrated.Its objective and subjective at the same time.

fair enough. My thought was limited to the terminology of overrated as it pertains to DJ. Everyone knows his overall career is very good. His stats this year are off the charts, but to me, when you line up all the hype year after year and the guy doesn't win any majors, its hard to say he isn't overrated. Its just my opinion. That doesn't mean I hate the guy at all. Sure he is boring but he is a great great talent. I wonder if his earlier lifestyle hurt his chances at majors when he was a bit younger. Anyway, your point is very fair and I agree with most of it...I just think when you are hailed as the best and you are the media darling of greatness and carry the #1 rank, you have to have the majors to back it up.....

 

Good post. very fair

 

P.S. - tiger isn't overrated now. he is probably overachieving this year based on where he has been for the last 4 years. Someone with 14 majors can never be labeled as overrated o me. But that being said, at the end of his career if DJ ends up with 1 major like Sergio, would you consider that great? Sergio has 30+ wins around the world, almost doubling DJ's total + 1 major and he is widely recognized as under achieving.....at one time maybe over rated based on all the hype he had early on in his career.

[Dave230]

I would say Rafa Cabrera Bello is overrated. He's regularly mentioned as one of the European stars but 1 win in 6 years is not very good. Even that one was fortunate when Callum Shinkwin blew up on the final hole.

 

One major top 10 in his career. Frequently chokes away the weekends. Seems like a pretty cool guy but his stats are hardly impressive for how he is perceived.

[tsecor]

I would say Rafa Cabrera Bello is overrated. He's regularly mentioned as one of the European stars but 1 win in 6 years is not very good. Even that one was fortunate when Callum Shinkwin blew up on the final hole.

 

One major top 10 in his career. Frequently chokes away the weekends. Seems like a pretty cool guy but his stats are hardly impressive for how he is perceived.

who is Rafa Cabrera?

[OldTomMorris]

Until this season it was Poulter hands down. Don't get me wrong I admire that he made his way to the tour via a club pro shop but the hype was way over the top.

[MilkyButterCuts]

Rickie is done chasing tails, he got engaged earlier this year, his life is going to be more stable from now on, his focus will sharpen and he will eventually get things right and win more events and majors.

 

Let's go Rickie!

define "stable"... ;)

 

Netflix and chill instead of clubs hopping

 

Now he has someone to yell at him in the morning...... ;)

[WidespreadPanic]

DJ is boring to watch? What do you want then? In my book he's the best golfer in the world. He's one of the few players im tuning in to watch every time he's on top of the leaderboard. Whether he's up by 1 or 10, I'm glued to the TV.

[Shilgy]

@lowheel

 

1 major in his entire career with how long he has been on tour with all the hype he gets? ya, it makes sense. Has nothing to do do with bias because I like him, so you couldn't be more wrong.

 

your issue is you dont understand the term overrated.

 

the opinion of him is much higher than his actual performance over 10 years.....that doesn't mean he isn't good or doesn't have great stats...but where are the majors?

 

P.S - Add Sam Snead to the list of great players who had 3-4 years between major wins....lee Trevino, 10 years.....

 

Quickly without checking who has the most wins on tour the last 10 years? then who has the second most?

 

surprise tiger and DJ both have 18 and both have 1 major. Which one is overrated in your book?

 

Also, i believe you dont understand the term overrated because you cant apply it here. We can say DJ has under achieved in majors so far but hes in his prime and has given himself plenty of stellar chances. hes blown a few himself sure but you dont become world #1 and lead the top tour on earth in wins over a decade if youre overrated. Barring injuries i dont see how he doesnt get one or 2 more majors while playing at this level. im happy to hear you like DJ because the amount of grief youre giving him makes no sense. Underachieving versus overrated.Its objective and subjective at the same time.

Tiger has 14 in the last 10 seasons. 18 in the last ten he played at all. But you are correct-neither one is overrated.

[chris975d]

DJ is boring to watch? What do you want then? In my book he's the best golfer in the world. He's one of the few players im tuning in to watch every time he's on top of the leaderboard. Whether he's up by 1 or 10, I'm glued to the TV.

 

I think for many of us (at least some that have expressed so in this thread), DJ is the exact opposite for us. I'm tuning OUT when he's on or near the lead. Just about one of the most sleep-inducing golfers I've ever watched, and I'm including my golfers/customers at the course. For me, there's zero excitement to his game. Yes, he's long. So are many others. Maybe it's his boring personality, or how he's just painful to hear speak or have a mic shoved in his face. You just don't see him get fired up, or even down if he's about the miss the cut. There's just no expression there, like he's spaced out or something. Just walking around with that goofy a**ed saunter he has.

[tsecor]

DJ could save a life and never show excitement.....its like golf is boring to him but he makes a lot of money at it so he does it to pass the time.....no eye of the tiger in this guy

[lowheel]

@lowheel

 

1 major in his entire career with how long he has been on tour with all the hype he gets? ya, it makes sense. Has nothing to do do with bias because I like him, so you couldn't be more wrong.

 

your issue is you dont understand the term overrated.

 

the opinion of him is much higher than his actual performance over 10 years.....that doesn't mean he isn't good or doesn't have great stats...but where are the majors?

 

P.S - Add Sam Snead to the list of great players who had 3-4 years between major wins....lee Trevino, 10 years.....

 

Quickly without checking who has the most wins on tour the last 10 years? then who has the second most?

 

surprise tiger and DJ both have 18 and both have 1 major. Which one is overrated in your book?

 

Also, i believe you dont understand the term overrated because you cant apply it here. We can say DJ has under achieved in majors so far but hes in his prime and has given himself plenty of stellar chances. hes blown a few himself sure but you dont become world #1 and lead the top tour on earth in wins over a decade if youre overrated. Barring injuries i dont see how he doesnt get one or 2 more majors while playing at this level. im happy to hear you like DJ because the amount of grief youre giving him makes no sense. Underachieving versus overrated.Its objective and subjective at the same time.

Tiger has 14 in the last 10 seasons. 18 in the last ten he played at all. But you are correct-neither one is overrated.

 

I’m obviously including his 2008 season but get what you mean

[cinnepa]

DJ is boring to watch? What do you want then? In my book he's the best golfer in the world. He's one of the few players im tuning in to watch every time he's on top of the leaderboard. Whether he's up by 1 or 10, I'm glued to the TV.

 

maybe boring to listen to for sure.....watching him with amanda after a round fielding Q's is downright painful.

[tatertot]

DJ is boring to watch? What do you want then? In my book he's the best golfer in the world. He's one of the few players im tuning in to watch every time he's on top of the leaderboard. Whether he's up by 1 or 10, I'm glued to the TV.

 

You can be great at something and still be boring. You can be far from the best, and still be fun to watch. Two completely different things.

[cinnepa]

B. Langer? pretty robotic if the discussion turns to boring.

[Shilgy]

B. Langer? pretty robotic if the discussion turns to boring.

I am guessing that those that dislike DJ would have also been against the Wee Ice mon.

 

These greens are awful," Ben Hogan told his new Scottish friends. "It's like putting on glue. I've got a lawnmower back in Texas. I'll send it over to you." Indeed, U.S. Champion Hogan, making his first practice rounds of the old municipal golf course at Carnoustie on the eve of the British Open, saw very little that he liked.

The Scots were riled; they are proud of windswept Carnoustie, chiefly because of its jagged hillocks, fiendish traps and stubbly greens. One crusty old codger on a shooting stick spoke up for all of Scotland: "Hogan talks a bloody lot about the greens...

[MilkyButterCuts]

Watch, just because I started this thread... Rickie wins. Maybe he saw it ;)

 

I wouldn't be opposed!

[QuigleyDU]

when anyone speaks of pros being over-rated. what they are really saying is "who gets undeserved media attention"? Because, c'mon "these guys really are good". if the question is who is the media darling that shouldnt be on play and win resume alone. because again, if they are getting media attention it is because that person sells something. otherwise no one would care.

 

For that i say Adam Scott.

[lowheel]

DJ is boring to watch? What do you want then? In my book he's the best golfer in the world. He's one of the few players im tuning in to watch every time he's on top of the leaderboard. Whether he's up by 1 or 10, I'm glued to the TV.

 

No fist pumps or red shirts...

[jerebear21]

I like it when DJ wins. His wife always comes out to kiss him with one of those nice outfits on. What can I say. He's a winner in my books.

[Shilgy]

DJ is boring to watch? What do you want then? In my book he's the best golfer in the world. He's one of the few players im tuning in to watch every time he's on top of the leaderboard. Whether he's up by 1 or 10, I'm glued to the TV.

 

No fist pumps or red shirts...

What? You don't like Patrick Reed? :)

[lowheel]

@lowheel

 

1 major in his entire career with how long he has been on tour with all the hype he gets? ya, it makes sense. Has nothing to do do with bias because I like him, so you couldn't be more wrong.

 

your issue is you dont understand the term overrated.

 

the opinion of him is much higher than his actual performance over 10 years.....that doesn't mean he isn't good or doesn't have great stats...but where are the majors?

 

P.S - Add Sam Snead to the list of great players who had 3-4 years between major wins....lee Trevino, 10 years.....

 

Quickly without checking who has the most wins on tour the last 10 years? then who has the second most?

 

surprise tiger and DJ both have 18 and both have 1 major. Which one is overrated in your book?

 

Also, i believe you dont understand the term overrated because you cant apply it here. We can say DJ has under achieved in majors so far but hes in his prime and has given himself plenty of stellar chances. hes blown a few himself sure but you dont become world #1 and lead the top tour on earth in wins over a decade if youre overrated. Barring injuries i dont see how he doesnt get one or 2 more majors while playing at this level. im happy to hear you like DJ because the amount of grief youre giving him makes no sense. Underachieving versus overrated.Its objective and subjective at the same time.

fair enough. My thought was limited to the terminology of overrated as it pertains to DJ. Everyone knows his overall career is very good. His stats this year are off the charts, but to me, when you line up all the hype year after year and the guy doesn't win any majors, its hard to say he isn't overrated. Its just my opinion. That doesn't mean I hate the guy at all. Sure he is boring but he is a great great talent. I wonder if his earlier lifestyle hurt his chances at majors when he was a bit younger. Anyway, your point is very fair and I agree with most of it...I just think when you are hailed as the best and you are the media darling of greatness and carry the #1 rank, you have to have the majors to back it up.....

 

Good post. very fair

 

P.S. - tiger isn't overrated now. he is probably overachieving this year based on where he has been for the last 4 years. Someone with 14 majors can never be labeled as overrated o me. But that being said, at the end of his career if DJ ends up with 1 major like Sergio, would you consider that great? Sergio has 30+ wins around the world, almost doubling DJ's total + 1 major and he is widely recognized as under achieving.....at one time maybe over rated based on all the hype he had early on in his career.

 

Absolutely fair. He’s in Greg Norman territory right now. A ton of talent,tremendous driver of the ball and gives himself tons of chances at majors and is world #1 while players below him have won as many or more majors. He obviously has the work ethic as he has improved every aspect of his game. His situational putting needs to improve on the weekends of majors for sure. The US open in June was a great example. Koepka didn’t outplay him he simply made the putts he had to and DJ didn’t. Think of Faldo and Norman. Circa 1984-85 if you told anyone that Norman would end up with 2 majors and Faldo 6 you’d be called crazy. One handled pressure better than the other. Neither are overrated though either. I’m sure he’s hungry to add to his legacy and think he will. He’s just too good not too break through again. Could start this week

[Shilgy]

 

Absolutely fair. He’s in Greg Norman territory right now. A ton of talent,tremendous driver of the ball and gives himself tons of chances at majors and is world #1 while players below him have won as many or more majors. He obviously has the work ethic as he has improved every aspect of his game. His situational putting needs to improve on the weekends of majors for sure. The US open in June was a great example. Koepka didn’t outplay him he simply made the putts he had to and DJ didn’t. Think of Faldo and Norman. Circa 1984-85 if you told anyone that Norman would end up with 2 majors and Faldo 6 you’d be called crazy. One handled pressure better than the other. Neither are overrated though either. I’m sure he’s hungry to add to his legacy and think he will. He’s just too good not too break through again. Could start this week

There is a lot of Phil in DJ's career. Or maybe Singh would be a better example. He will likely have a better second half of his career than the first.

[tsecor]

Absolutely fair. He’s in Greg Norman territory right now. A ton of talent,tremendous driver of the ball and gives himself tons of chances at majors and is world #1 while players below him have won as many or more majors. He obviously has the work ethic as he has improved every aspect of his game. His situational putting needs to improve on the weekends of majors for sure. The US open in June was a great example. Koepka didn’t outplay him he simply made the putts he had to and DJ didn’t. Think of Faldo and Norman. Circa 1984-85 if you told anyone that Norman would end up with 2 majors and Faldo 6 you’d be called crazy. One handled pressure better than the other. Neither are overrated though either. I’m sure he’s hungry to add to his legacy and think he will. He’s just too good not too break through again. Could start this week

There is a lot of Phil in DJ's career. Or maybe Singh would be a better example. He will likely have a better second half of his career than the first.

true. Phil didn't win a major for 10 years? DJ has 1 so far....he is good enough to win a few more, that's for sure.

[lowheel]

Absolutely fair. He’s in Greg Norman territory right now. A ton of talent,tremendous driver of the ball and gives himself tons of chances at majors and is world #1 while players below him have won as many or more majors. He obviously has the work ethic as he has improved every aspect of his game. His situational putting needs to improve on the weekends of majors for sure. The US open in June was a great example. Koepka didn’t outplay him he simply made the putts he had to and DJ didn’t. Think of Faldo and Norman. Circa 1984-85 if you told anyone that Norman would end up with 2 majors and Faldo 6 you’d be called crazy. One handled pressure better than the other. Neither are overrated though either. I’m sure he’s hungry to add to his legacy and think he will. He’s just too good not too break through again. Could start this week

There is a lot of Phil in DJ's career. Or maybe Singh would be a better example. He will likely have a better second half of his career than the first.

 

Yup, i get that vijay vibe with him with less putting struggles