Golf Fitness Overrated?

[golfarb1]

I really doubt john daly has/had any great mobility or flexibility. He just had insane skill and ability to time a move that most amateurs could not.

 

I generally agree.

 

Earlier in this thread someone posted that flexibility > strength, referencing Koepka v. Justin Thomas, etc. I call B.S.

 

I think flexibility is overrated. Sure, you need sufficient flexibility/mobility, but it's not the holy grail...just as strength alone is not.

 

Speed is a separate entity. To maximize speed your body needs to be strong enough and supple enough so as to achieve a full range of motion and to also avoid injury, but beyond that the returns are minimal. I believe there are diminishing returns beyond a certain requisite.

 

Speed is another story. Just as with running and jumping, some people are just naturally faster and will have a higher ceiling. Optimal swing mechanics and sequencing will have more of an impact on speed than strength and/or flexibility... unless the player has a significant deficiency in one or both of those areas.

Just try this little experiment.see if any of your friends or your children's friends can make a backswing(with minimal left arm bending) anywhere approaching Mr Daly 's

I tried and I found just one person.She is a professional ballerina with the English National Ballet

 

John Daly's range of motion in his backswing is off of the charts.

[dpb5031]

I really doubt john daly has/had any great mobility or flexibility. He just had insane skill and ability to time a move that most amateurs could not.

 

I generally agree.

 

Earlier in this thread someone posted that flexibility > strength, referencing Koepka v. Justin Thomas, etc. I call B.S.

 

I think flexibility is overrated. Sure, you need sufficient flexibility/mobility, but it's not the holy grail...just as strength alone is not.

 

Speed is a separate entity. To maximize speed your body needs to be strong enough and supple enough so as to achieve a full range of motion and to also avoid injury, but beyond that the returns are minimal. I believe there are diminishing returns beyond a certain requisite.

 

Speed is another story. Just as with running and jumping, some people are just naturally faster and will have a higher ceiling. Optimal swing mechanics and sequencing will have more of an impact on speed than strength and/or flexibility... unless the player has a significant deficiency in one or both of those areas.

Just try this little experiment.see if any of your friends or your children's friends can make a backswing(with minimal left arm bending) anywhere approaching Mr Daly 's

I tried and I found just one person.She is a professional ballerina with the English National Ballet

 

John Daly's range of motion in his backswing is off of the charts.

 

Wasn't really my point. In fact, I think JD has extraordinary flexibility/mobility...especially for his size.

 

My point is that it's not his extraordinary mobility that makes him hit it far. For every Daly with a way past parallel swing there's a J.B. Holmes who generates just as much speed with way less overall ROM and not even getting the club back to parallel.

[Krt22]

 

 

John Daly's range of motion in his backswing is off of the charts.

 

Is it really? Looks like a pretty standard turn to me, just looks crazy with how much his right elbow folds and wrist conditions

 

[dpb5031]

 

 

John Daly's range of motion in his backswing is off of the charts.

 

Is it really? Looks like a pretty standard turn to me, just looks crazy with how much his right elbow folds and wrist conditions

 

Exactly! Arms overrun dramatically and arm structure really breaks down.

 

Still a very full shoulder turn though and JD's timing is tuned to that overly long arm swing. Works for him, but certainly nothing for others to emulate. Through the ball (impact) he's really good though. I love his release

[BB28403]

I think you can play golf quite well without being very fit, but being very fit will allow you to play better.

 

Steve

 

World Number 1

 

Can't make the cut

 

 

Although Duval said fitness hurt him, aren't those pictures backwards?

 

I remember him being lean when he won his major and was world number 1, and then heavier when he made his comeback that didn't really go anywhere.

 

He’s pretty big and muscular nowadays. Saw him at a tourney the other day. Forearms as big as a ham hock.

[golfarb1]

John Daly's range of motion in his backswing is off of the charts.

 

Is it really? Looks like a pretty standard turn to me, just looks crazy with how much his right elbow folds and wrist conditions

 

Please

This recent swing is one of a fat older golfer with increasingly arthritic knees,who is forced to make a number of compensations.

In 1991,he had no beer belly or arthritis ,his turn was bigger and his left arm was not as bent.

 

Look at his swing from early in his career.When the club was parallel to the ground his left arm was straight.

It started to bend very slightly when the clubhead dipped below the second line from the top.Although it is impossible to see how much more he bent his arm after that,,the position of his clubhead virtually touching his left hip is one of the most extraordinary backswings of ALL TIME.I have not seen anything like this previously or after,except maybe Jamie Sadlowski..Although there could be some arm runoff near the end,you can see his shoulders moving throughout almost all of his swing.

 

For anyone who thinks that such a swing does not require extraodinary range of motion,please Pm with the brand name of the weed that you smoke.

 

[Krt22]

Still making a full turn, still a lot more right arm folding vs modern pros. I think John Daly's biggest asset was his ability to keep everything in sync DESPITE his swing being so long, not the fact that his swing was long

 

[golfarb1]

Still making a full turn, still a lot more right arm folding vs modern pros. I think John Daly's biggest asset was his ability to keep everything in sync DESPITE his swing being so long, not the fact that his swing was long

 

No doubt you are correct. To have this long a swing and to also hit %56 of fairways (during some of the years when he was the longest driver) attests to your point.But he did have extraordinary range of motion.Can you imagine how far he would have hit the ball if he had access to 2018 equipment in the early nineties.

[Obee]

You aren't going to "fitness" your way to be a competitive amateur golfer if you are a 6 if you have been playing the game for quite some time.

 

That said, if you are already a solid golfer, getting more fit will obviously give you an edge. And if you are in horrible shape like I am, getting fit would pay huge dividends. It would prolong my "career" (such that it is), and allow me to play with less pain, while simultaneously hitting the ball farther. No doubt about it. All of that would lead to, on average, lower scores.

 

So is fitness "over-rated"? Depends on who we are talking about. If a 6-index wants to become a +2, he almost unequivocally needs to become better at the skill side of golf, not get more fit.

 

I've seen lots of guys in that 4 - 6 index range who think that the "one thing missing" from getting them down where they want to be, golf game-wise, is fitness. It almost never is....

[Mcgeeno]

I always get people angry when I say in here that weights and a dedicated workout regimen did nothing for my swing speed, distance, handicap or tournament scores.

 

It helped me a ton on the weekends at the beach or hanging out with girls on a Friday night but it didnt help my golf game at all.

 

I think fitness is good for overall health and confidence but if you want to lower your handicap or get better at golf there is 40 things I would recommend before going to a personal trainer or a gym.

 

Matter of fact, as I got older, yoga helped my flexibility, recovery and golf swing more but thats JMO.

[BB28403]

You aren't going to "fitness" your way to be a competitive amateur golfer if you are a 6 if you have been playing the game for quite some time.

 

That said, if you are already a solid golfer, getting more fit will obviously give you an edge. And if you are in horrible shape like I am, getting fit would pay huge dividends. It would prolong my "career" (such that it is), and allow me to play with less pain, while simultaneously hitting the ball farther. No doubt about it. All of that would lead to, on average, lower scores.

 

So is fitness "over-rated"? Depends on who we are talking about. If a 6-index wants to become a +2, he almost unequivocally needs to become better at the skill side of golf, not get more fit.

 

I've seen lots of guys in that 4 - 6 index range who think that the "one thing missing" from getting them down where they want to be, golf game-wise, is fitness. It almost never is....

 

On what size course Obee?

[Obee]

You aren't going to "fitness" your way to be a competitive amateur golfer if you are a 6 if you have been playing the game for quite some time.

 

That said, if you are already a solid golfer, getting more fit will obviously give you an edge. And if you are in horrible shape like I am, getting fit would pay huge dividends. It would prolong my "career" (such that it is), and allow me to play with less pain, while simultaneously hitting the ball farther. No doubt about it. All of that would lead to, on average, lower scores.

 

So is fitness "over-rated"? Depends on who we are talking about. If a 6-index wants to become a +2, he almost unequivocally needs to become better at the skill side of golf, not get more fit.

 

I've seen lots of guys in that 4 - 6 index range who think that the "one thing missing" from getting them down where they want to be, golf game-wise, is fitness. It almost never is....

 

On what size course Obee?

 

Not sure what the question is? In what size course do I play? Or the hypothetical 6 trying to get to scratch?

[Hawkeye77]

I really doubt john daly has/had any great mobility or flexibility. He just had insane skill and ability to time a move that most amateurs could not.

 

I generally agree.

 

Earlier in this thread someone posted that flexibility > strength, referencing Koepka v. Justin Thomas, etc. I call B.S.

 

I think flexibility is overrated. Sure, you need sufficient flexibility/mobility, but it's not the holy grail...just as strength alone is not.

 

Speed is a separate entity. To maximize speed your body needs to be strong enough and supple enough so as to achieve a full range of motion and to also avoid injury, but beyond that the returns are minimal. I believe there are diminishing returns beyond a certain requisite.

 

Speed is another story. Just as with running and jumping, some people are just naturally faster and will have a higher ceiling. Optimal swing mechanics and sequencing will have more of an impact on speed than strength and/or flexibility... unless the player has a significant deficiency in one or both of those areas.

Just try this little experiment.see if any of your friends or your children's friends can make a backswing(with minimal left arm bending) anywhere approaching Mr Daly 's

I tried and I found just one person.She is a professional ballerina with the English National Ballet

 

John Daly's range of motion in his backswing is off of the charts.

 

OMG, you are right - here is an old photo of John after walking off the course in a junior event.

[SullGolf]

I always get people angry when I say in here that weights and a dedicated workout regimen did nothing for my swing speed, distance, handicap or tournament scores.

 

It helped me a ton on the weekends at the beach or hanging out with girls on a Friday night but it didnt help my golf game at all.

 

I think fitness is good for overall health and confidence but if you want to lower your handicap or get better at golf there is 40 things I would recommend before going to a personal trainer or a gym.

 

Matter of fact, as I got older, yoga helped my flexibility, recovery and golf swing more but thats JMO.

 

I largely agree with this. I've had times when I was really fit, and times where I wasn't. My golf game was about the same in either case. What actually helped was taking lessons and practicing golf.

 

To butcher a phrase I've heard elsewhere, great golf fitness is the icing on the cake, and most people don't have any cake.

 

There is a very base level of fitness that people need for golf, which I'd qualify as being able to walk 18 without being gassed. Most people I see on the course aren't capable of that. By 14 or 15, they are too tired to keep the same swing they had on the first hole. That's probably not going to negatively affect your handicap much, but you might drop a stroke at a bad time in a match or tournament.

[Obee]

I always get people angry when I say in here that weights and a dedicated workout regimen did nothing for my swing speed, distance, handicap or tournament scores.

 

It helped me a ton on the weekends at the beach or hanging out with girls on a Friday night but it didnt help my golf game at all.

 

I think fitness is good for overall health and confidence but if you want to lower your handicap or get better at golf there is 40 things I would recommend before going to a personal trainer or a gym.

 

Matter of fact, as I got older, yoga helped my flexibility, recovery and golf swing more but thats JMO.

 

I largely agree with this. I've had times when I was really fit, and times where I wasn't. My golf game was about the same in either case. What actually helped was taking lessons and practicing golf.

 

To butcher a phrase I've heard elsewhere, great golf fitness is the icing on the cake, and most people don't have any cake.

 

There is a very base level of fitness that people need for golf, which I'd qualify as being able to walk 18 without being gassed. Most people I see on the course aren't capable of that. By 14 or 15, they are too tired to keep the same swing they had on the first hole. That's probably not going to negatively affect your handicap much, but you might drop a stroke at a bad time in a match or tournament.

 

Wow: "Golf fitness is icing on the cake, and most people don't have very much cake..."

 

So good.

 

 

[jjharrs2]

Anytime this topic comes up two things come to my mind.

 

1st, I always look at the top 10 in the OWGR. Currently the only one that isn't in great shape is Francesco, and just watching him play, you can tell he is definitely lifting.

 

2nd, if you're not a pro and just trying to improve your game why would you not get in shape. At worst, it won't make you a better golfer, but you are now in shape and can enjoy your life more off the course. At best, being in shape gives you more consistency and stamina on the course.

 

Source: Been lifting for about 9 months now. Used to have really bad back pain all the time (probably from years of golf and not taking care of my body), but since lifting about 90% of the pain is gone.

 

 

[straightshot7]

The golf world has been so focused on specific things for golf fitness has its lost its way? I am not saying working out is overrated but should you be doing things to make your overall body stronger and stop worrying about them being specific to your golf swing? Heck Brooks has won 3 of the last 7 majors working out like Mike O'Hearn.

 

https://www.golf.com...ifting-workout/

 

I think this is what every good golf trainer has been doing for some time. Since the golf swing is a full body motion, any good exercise could be considered golf specific...

 

Just avoid anything that could cause injuries (some are opposed to olympic lifts for this reason), and do good, safe full body exercises. Having said that, most golfers aren't going to be lifting high enough weight to cause injury. Just make sure the form is proper.

[BB28403]

You aren't going to "fitness" your way to be a competitive amateur golfer if you are a 6 if you have been playing the game for quite some time.

 

That said, if you are already a solid golfer, getting more fit will obviously give you an edge. And if you are in horrible shape like I am, getting fit would pay huge dividends. It would prolong my "career" (such that it is), and allow me to play with less pain, while simultaneously hitting the ball farther. No doubt about it. All of that would lead to, on average, lower scores.

 

So is fitness "over-rated"? Depends on who we are talking about. If a 6-index wants to become a +2, he almost unequivocally needs to become better at the skill side of golf, not get more fit.

 

I've seen lots of guys in that 4 - 6 index range who think that the "one thing missing" from getting them down where they want to be, golf game-wise, is fitness. It almost never is....

 

On what size course Obee?

 

Not sure what the question is? In what size course do I play? Or the hypothetical 6 trying to get to scratch?

 

Yeah the hypothetical tin cup! :)

[BB28403]

For anyone interested the Titleist training program ran by local trainers is really cool. TPI I think it is called. Watch the videos on YouTube . I think rahm and koepka made their way thru there too.

[Obee]

You aren't going to "fitness" your way to be a competitive amateur golfer if you are a 6 if you have been playing the game for quite some time.

 

That said, if you are already a solid golfer, getting more fit will obviously give you an edge. And if you are in horrible shape like I am, getting fit would pay huge dividends. It would prolong my "career" (such that it is), and allow me to play with less pain, while simultaneously hitting the ball farther. No doubt about it. All of that would lead to, on average, lower scores.

 

So is fitness "over-rated"? Depends on who we are talking about. If a 6-index wants to become a +2, he almost unequivocally needs to become better at the skill side of golf, not get more fit.

 

I've seen lots of guys in that 4 - 6 index range who think that the "one thing missing" from getting them down where they want to be, golf game-wise, is fitness. It almost never is....

 

On what size course Obee?

 

Not sure what the question is? In what size course do I play? Or the hypothetical 6 trying to get to scratch?

 

Yeah the hypothetical tin cup! :)

 

Let's call it 6900, 74.0/142

[Yuck]

My opinion- Fitness in itself does not hurt your game, but a change in size can.

 

If you are a good player and have a particular physique (big or small), any substantial change to that physique can hurt your game for some time. This applies to gaining weight, losing weight, & obviously strength and flexibility changes, The problem is that a lot of the "feels" in your full swing keep you in a constant position without much thought. So if you get pregnant or lose 100 lbs, those "feels" change dramatically. If you have a demanding career, parenthood or dislike the driving range, changes like this can take a season or more to overcome. From personal experience, I have played golf at 290 lbs and at 195 lbs. My very best golf was played at about 240 lbs. At 195, my limbs felt free to "float around" anywhere. At 290, my chest and belly created the need for some compensations.

[BB28403]

My opinion- Fitness in itself does not hurt your game, but a change in size can.

 

If you are a good player and have a particular physique (big or small), any substantial change to that physique can hurt your game for some time. This applies to gaining weight, losing weight, & obviously strength and flexibility changes, The problem is that a lot of the "feels" in your full swing keep you in a constant position without much thought. So if you get pregnant or lose 100 lbs, those "feels" change dramatically. If you have a demanding career, parenthood or dislike the driving range, changes like this can take a season or more to overcome. From personal experience, I have played golf at 290 lbs and at 195 lbs. My very best golf was played at about 240 lbs. At 195, my limbs felt free to "float around" anywhere. At 290, my chest and belly created the need for some compensations.

 

You know that makes a lot of sense. I wonder how JT does it? He’s as skinny as a rail nowadays and he hits it so far!

 

P.S. love the cartman avatar and talking on a fitness thread. That’s the best! Haha

Beefcake!

[Mcgeeno]

Anytime this topic comes up two things come to my mind.

 

1st, I always look at the top 10 in the OWGR. Currently the only one that isn't in great shape is Francesco, and just watching him play, you can tell he is definitely lifting.

 

2nd, if you're not a pro and just trying to improve your game why would you not get in shape. At worst, it won't make you a better golfer, but you are now in shape and can enjoy your life more off the course. At best, being in shape gives you more consistency and stamina on the course.

 

Source: Been lifting for about 9 months now. Used to have really bad back pain all the time (probably from years of golf and not taking care of my body), but since lifting about 90% of the pain is gone.

 

If Rahm and Molinari work out in any way other than golf related exercises they are doing it wrong. Those guys both look like they have never touched a free weight in their life.

 

I know Thomas and Spieth are fit guys but they definitely don't have gym bodies. Fowler either. They look like regular dudes who golf 100+ holes a week and have an active lifestyle.

 

I think this just proves you can look a ranking and see what you want to see. I see 3 guys who hit the gym, 5 average looking dudes and 2 guys who likely don't do much. Nothing to really gain from eyeballing that list IMO.

[New Edge]

Anytime this topic comes up two things come to my mind.

 

1st, I always look at the top 10 in the OWGR. Currently the only one that isn't in great shape is Francesco, and just watching him play, you can tell he is definitely lifting.

 

2nd, if you're not a pro and just trying to improve your game why would you not get in shape. At worst, it won't make you a better golfer, but you are now in shape and can enjoy your life more off the course. At best, being in shape gives you more consistency and stamina on the course.

 

Source: Been lifting for about 9 months now. Used to have really bad back pain all the time (probably from years of golf and not taking care of my body), but since lifting about 90% of the pain is gone.

 

If Rahm and Molinari work out in any way other than golf related exercises they are doing it wrong. Those guys both look like they have never touched a free weight in their life.

 

I know Thomas and Spieth are fit guys but they definitely don't have gym bodies. Fowler either. They look like regular dudes who golf 100+ holes a week and have an active lifestyle.

 

I think this just proves you can look a ranking and see what you want to see. I see 3 guys who hit the gym, 5 average looking dudes and 2 guys who likely don't do much. Nothing to really gain from eyeballing that list IMO.

 

It’s easy to find footage of each of those guys training. They don’t lift like a bodybuilder. They spend time on core exercises and whole body strength. Just YouTube it.

[pinhigh27]

Anytime this topic comes up two things come to my mind.

 

1st, I always look at the top 10 in the OWGR. Currently the only one that isn't in great shape is Francesco, and just watching him play, you can tell he is definitely lifting.

 

2nd, if you're not a pro and just trying to improve your game why would you not get in shape. At worst, it won't make you a better golfer, but you are now in shape and can enjoy your life more off the course. At best, being in shape gives you more consistency and stamina on the course.

 

Source: Been lifting for about 9 months now. Used to have really bad back pain all the time (probably from years of golf and not taking care of my body), but since lifting about 90% of the pain is gone.

 

If Rahm and Molinari work out in any way other than golf related exercises they are doing it wrong. Those guys both look like they have never touched a free weight in their life.

 

I know Thomas and Spieth are fit guys but they definitely don't have gym bodies. Fowler either. They look like regular dudes who golf 100+ holes a week and have an active lifestyle.

 

I think this just proves you can look a ranking and see what you want to see. I see 3 guys who hit the gym, 5 average looking dudes and 2 guys who likely don't do much. Nothing to really gain from eyeballing that list IMO.

 

It’s easy to find footage of each of those guys training. They don’t lift like a bodybuilder. They spend time on core exercises and whole body strength. Just YouTube it.

 

"core exercises" yet if you actually tested their core strength I am willing to bet whatever that they would test like an average untrained individual. Just useless activities to make people feel like they are doing something. Show me Jordan spieth doing some leg raises. He would perform just like an average person would

[jjharrs2]

Anytime this topic comes up two things come to my mind.

 

1st, I always look at the top 10 in the OWGR. Currently the only one that isn't in great shape is Francesco, and just watching him play, you can tell he is definitely lifting.

 

2nd, if you're not a pro and just trying to improve your game why would you not get in shape. At worst, it won't make you a better golfer, but you are now in shape and can enjoy your life more off the course. At best, being in shape gives you more consistency and stamina on the course.

 

Source: Been lifting for about 9 months now. Used to have really bad back pain all the time (probably from years of golf and not taking care of my body), but since lifting about 90% of the pain is gone.

 

If Rahm and Molinari work out in any way other than golf related exercises they are doing it wrong. Those guys both look like they have never touched a free weight in their life.

 

I know Thomas and Spieth are fit guys but they definitely don't have gym bodies. Fowler either. They look like regular dudes who golf 100+ holes a week and have an active lifestyle.

 

I think this just proves you can look a ranking and see what you want to see. I see 3 guys who hit the gym, 5 average looking dudes and 2 guys who likely don't do much. Nothing to really gain from eyeballing that list IMO.

 

I would disagree with you on Rahm. Dude isn't jacked like DJ and Brooks, but he's pretty stout. Rose is way more fit than he used to be (went from skinny am, to a little pudgy, now he's in pretty great shape). JT is deceiving. He looks small, but he's pretty much as much muscle as he can be and still be flexible like he wants. Day is way bigger than he used to be.

 

I was just trying to answer the question, and I think that almost all of the golfers in the top 10 have benefited from "golf fitness".

[jjharrs2]

Anytime this topic comes up two things come to my mind.

 

1st, I always look at the top 10 in the OWGR. Currently the only one that isn't in great shape is Francesco, and just watching him play, you can tell he is definitely lifting.

 

2nd, if you're not a pro and just trying to improve your game why would you not get in shape. At worst, it won't make you a better golfer, but you are now in shape and can enjoy your life more off the course. At best, being in shape gives you more consistency and stamina on the course.

 

Source: Been lifting for about 9 months now. Used to have really bad back pain all the time (probably from years of golf and not taking care of my body), but since lifting about 90% of the pain is gone.

 

If Rahm and Molinari work out in any way other than golf related exercises they are doing it wrong. Those guys both look like they have never touched a free weight in their life.

 

I know Thomas and Spieth are fit guys but they definitely don't have gym bodies. Fowler either. They look like regular dudes who golf 100+ holes a week and have an active lifestyle.

 

I think this just proves you can look a ranking and see what you want to see. I see 3 guys who hit the gym, 5 average looking dudes and 2 guys who likely don't do much. Nothing to really gain from eyeballing that list IMO.

 

It's easy to find footage of each of those guys training. They don't lift like a bodybuilder. They spend time on core exercises and whole body strength. Just YouTube it.

 

"core exercises" yet if you actually tested their core strength I am willing to bet whatever that they would test like an average untrained individual. Just useless activities to make people feel like they are doing something. Show me Jordan spieth doing some leg raises. He would perform just like an average person would

 

Spieth does look like the smallest of the bunch. I know for a fact that DJ, Brooks, Rory, and Rahm could out lift a vast majority of average golfers. I would put money on any of the top 10 to out bench, squat, and deadlift any average weekend golfer. I may be wrong, but I doubt it.

[PorscheFan]

The logic here cracks me up:

 

"Nah, golf-specific fitness is a joke. Those guys don't look like they lift"

 

"Many of the ones that win millions of dollars on tour do tons of exercises... It's just that they're golf-specific vs. beefcake Olympic lifts"

 

"Maybe, but they look weak, so even though they're some of the best golfers in the world, they don't look beefcake. Clearly it does nothing"

 

"I do non golf-specific stuff. I look buff, but haven't won millions of dollars. In fact I haven't won anything. Still, I could arm wrestle JT and easily win, so clearly this golf-specific exercise nonsense doesn't do jack... what a waste of time"

 

I hope this thread goes on forever.

[BB28403]

The logic here cracks me up:

 

"Nah, golf-specific fitness is a joke. Those guys don't look like they lift"

 

"Many of the ones that win millions of dollars on tour do tons of exercises... It's just that they're golf-specific vs. beefcake Olympic lifts"

 

"Maybe, but they look weak, so even though they're some of the best golfers in the world, they don't look beefcake. Clearly it does nothing"

 

"I do non golf-specific stuff. I look buff, but haven't won millions of dollars. In fact I haven't won anything. Still, I could arm wrestle JT and easily win, so clearly this golf-specific exercise nonsense doesn't do jack... what a waste of time"

 

I hope this thread goes on forever.

 

Are Porsches still cheating the emission tests ?

[Krt22]

The logic here cracks me up:

 

"Nah, golf-specific fitness is a joke. Those guys don't look like they lift"

 

"Many of the ones that win millions of dollars on tour do tons of exercises... It's just that they're golf-specific vs. beefcake Olympic lifts"

 

"Maybe, but they look weak, so even though they're some of the best golfers in the world, they don't look beefcake. Clearly it does nothing"

 

"I do non golf-specific stuff. I look buff, but haven't won millions of dollars. In fact I haven't won anything. Still, I could arm wrestle JT and easily win, so clearly this golf-specific exercise nonsense doesn't do jack... what a waste of time"

 

I hope this thread goes on forever.

 

Have anything more useless to post?