Phil and the fence at Bay Hill

[deadsolid...shank]

Ok guys, help me out. I didn’t see it so trying to figure it out from the tournament thread.

 

Now if you hit one OB you have a club length from the original spot where the previous shot was played from? Not as close as possible to that spot?

 

Thanks.

[jdl]

Yep, with the new rules the spot where the previous shot was played is now the "reference point" and you get a club length from there.

 

[deadsolid...shank]

Cool. Thanks JDL. I had missed that one (and probably many others as well).

[Sawgrass]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

[sui generis]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

[HitEmTrue]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

 

The radius is usually *much* larger than that. The other end of the radius is the hole.

[deadsolid...shank]

Considering all the bashing that has been going on (and I admit, I’ve been involved somewhat), I really like this change.

[jdl]

Cool. Thanks JDL. I had missed that one (and probably many others as well).

 

Thank Lance Ringler for tweeting out the useful pic!

[Newby]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

Unless it's the teeing area

[deadsolid...shank]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

Unless it's the teeing area

 

Why does there always have to be an unless?!

[Golfnutgalen]

One of the big changes rarely discussed is the fact the ball used to be in play if you drop it within the relief area (1-2 club lengths depending on whether it is a free or penalty drop) and it rolls out 2 club lengths. Now it has to rest within the radius of its original position. This means you could just drop it on the outer limits of that defined area and have a very good chance at placing it if it rolls even a tiny bit.

[Newby]

Because it all takes place on a golf course. :dntknw:

[Newby]

 

Why does there always have to be an unless?!��

 

Because it all takes place on a golf course. :dntknw:

[augustgolf]

I'm waiting for our.....uh.....USGA hating poster (among many) to chime in here.

 

But, maybe, since there doesn't seem to be much room to argue, we won't be graced with his/her presence

 

 

[zzyzxx33]

The video is here

 

https://www.pgatour.com/leaderboard.html

[rogolf]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

 

The radius is usually *much* larger than that. The other end of the radius is the hole.

Ok, I'm confused, Can you explain that as pertains to the radius of the permitted relief area?

[Sawgrass]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

Unless it's the teeing area

You never “have” to drop in a teeing area, so it still stands! Place it when you’re there, drop it, or tee it up if it suits you.

[HitEmTrue]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

 

The radius is usually *much* larger than that. The other end of the radius is the hole.

Ok, I'm confused, Can you explain that as pertains to the radius of the permitted relief area?

 

Sorry, nevermind!

 

I was thinking of different situations than Sui...relief under the new optional local rule for lost/OB, or back-on-line relief, the arc defining the edge of the relief area closest to the hole.

[Augster]

Where is the uproar about how stupid the NEW rules are? Last year, Phil drops under the fence. Then, likely, he takes an unplayable then plays from there.

 

This year he gets a CL. Easy shot once he was away from the fence.

 

To me, it’s funny that the ball going OB never entered Phil’s mind. If I tried the same thing, it’s all I’d be thinking about. I’d have probably taken the unplayable and gone about my business.

 

https://www.golf.com/news/2019/03/07/phil-mickelson-righty-ob-fence/

[KevCarter]

Where is the uproar about how stupid the NEW rules are? Last year, Phil drops under the fence. Then, likely, he takes an unplayable then plays from there.

 

It's early... :-)

[LeoLeo99]

I'm waiting for our.....uh.....USGA hating poster (among many) to chime in here.

 

But, maybe, since there doesn't seem to be much room to argue, we won't be graced with his/her presence

 

He's in your head.

[nsxguy]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

 

When is the radius 2 CL again ? :blink:

[rogolf]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

 

The radius is usually *much* larger than that. The other end of the radius is the hole.

Ok, I'm confused, Can you explain that as pertains to the radius of the permitted relief area?

 

Sorry, nevermind!

 

I was thinking of different situations than Sui...relief under the new optional local rule for lost/OB, or back-on-line relief, the arc defining the edge of the relief area closest to the hole.

I realize that there are two radii involved in the relief area; the two club-lengths from the reference point and the no nearer the hole from the hole itself, which makes the relief area not truly a semi-circle. (I did learn some things in geo-trig)

[sui generis]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

 

When is the radius 2 CL again ? :blink:

 

Lateral from penalty area and lateral from unplayable and perhaps from FRP in E-5.

[Golfnutgalen]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

 

When is the radius 2 CL again ? :blink:

 

See? These new rules are super confusing! As far as I understand the radius will always be 1 club. Let's say you have a free drop from a cart path then you find the nearest point of relief and go 1 club length from there, that becomes the outside of a quarter circle (the rest of the half circle would be towards or on the cart path). When you take a penalty drop it becomes 2 club lengths and you drop within a half circle. The whole thing is a mess in my opinion and definitely not simplified!

 

The USGA has some good images which are better than my explanations: https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rule-16.html

[Augster]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

 

When is the radius 2 CL again ? :blink:

 

See? These new rules are super confusing! As far as I understand the radius will always be 1 club. Let's say you have a free drop from a cart path then you find the nearest point of relief and go 1 club length from there, that becomes the outside of a quarter circle (the rest of the half circle would be towards or on the cart path). When you take a penalty drop it becomes 2 club lengths and you drop within a half circle. The whole thing is a mess in my opinion and definitely not simplified!

 

The USGA has some good images which are better than my explanations: https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/rules/rules-2019/rules-of-golf/rule-16.html

 

What?

 

Free drop has always been 1CL (besides embedded ball). Penalty drop (red hazard/unplayable)2CL. Nothing has changed besides the procedure in those cases.

 

“On the spot” drops now get 1CL. “Back on the line” drops now get 1CL.

 

As said above, if you take 1CL, you’ll always be in compliance.

[Golfnutgalen]

What?

 

Free drop has always been 1CL (besides embedded ball). Penalty drop (red hazard/unplayable)2CL. Nothing has changed besides the procedure in those cases.

 

"On the spot" drops now get 1CL. "Back on the line" drops now get 1CL.

 

As said above, if you take 1CL, you'll always be in compliance.

 

The club distances haven't changed, however you used to be able to drop a ball within that area and have it roll out up to 2 club lengths from where it landed (no closer to the hole of course). Now we have a confusing quarter to half circle drop zone which it must come to rest inside. I mean why a circle in the first place? It makes it difficult to take the full 1 or 2 club length drop and actually have it drop and rest inside the defined area.

[Augster]

What?

 

Free drop has always been 1CL (besides embedded ball). Penalty drop (red hazard/unplayable)2CL. Nothing has changed besides the procedure in those cases.

 

"On the spot" drops now get 1CL. "Back on the line" drops now get 1CL.

 

As said above, if you take 1CL, you'll always be in compliance.

 

The club distances haven't changed, however you used to be able to drop a ball within that area and have it roll out up to 2 club lengths from where it landed (no closer to the hole of course). Now we have a confusing quarter to half circle drop zone which it must come to rest inside. I mean why a circle in the first place? It makes it very difficult to take the full 1 or 2 club length drop and actually have it drop and rest inside the defined area.

 

I guess I don’t understand. It’s less complicated and easier knowing if it bounces forward or outside the mark, it’s a redrop then place.

 

The knee drop will eliminate nearly all roll of the ball in all but the most extreme drop angles.

 

If you’re worried about the “arc” drop close to the reference point. Personally, I’m trying to get it to bounce outside twice then place. In 7 rounds I never succeeded to get to place a ball. From shoulder height, I got to place the ball nearly every time unless it took a horrible bounce back into the drop area.

[HitEmTrue]

What?

 

Free drop has always been 1CL (besides embedded ball). Penalty drop (red hazard/unplayable)2CL. Nothing has changed besides the procedure in those cases.

 

"On the spot" drops now get 1CL. "Back on the line" drops now get 1CL.

 

As said above, if you take 1CL, you'll always be in compliance.

 

The club distances haven't changed, however you used to be able to drop a ball within that area and have it roll out up to 2 club lengths from where it landed (no closer to the hole of course). Now we have a confusing quarter to half circle drop zone which it must come to rest inside. I mean why a circle in the first place? It makes it difficult to take the full 1 or 2 club length drop and actually have it drop and rest inside the defined area.

 

It’s much less confusing now.

[Halebopp]

A good thought to remember is, "Every time you have to drop, you must drop in a relief area."

 

You never have to drop on a line, or on a spot. Your relief area may be defined by a reference point on a line or at a spot, but it's always wider than a two-dimensional line or bigger than the spot.

 

Furthermore, the relief area is a semicircle or part thereof. And it's radius is either on or two club-lengths. If you don't wish to remember which are one or two, always use one driver length and you won't go wrong. :)

Unless you actually have two club lengths, the ball rolls outside the one-club-length area and you re-drop.