Club Pros deserve every spot they get in PGA Championship

[Long Shot]

I bet many of these PGA Club pros beat the likes of Rich Beem and John Daly among several other past champions (playing on past champion exemption) that are past their primes.

[Darth Putter]

> @Bluefan75 said:

> > @"Santiago Golf" said:

> > Nobody about the 15-20 ams, mid ams, and mini tour players who miss tge cut at the us open every year, its the same thing basically. Im a PGA pro, so i biase. I personally think the number should 10-15 range, not 20.

>

> 20 is fine. Its funny how a major with 156 spots, 136 of which are filled by touring pros, gets the **** for having 20 PGA pros, yet not a peep about a 90 person field that includes past champions, amateur and reinstated amateurs, to the point where based on the criteria put forth here, only about 45 are really "competing." Apparently the PGA of America owes something more to people other than their members.

 

Utter nonsense that only half The Masters field is "competing."

 

The Masters only invites six amateurs these days and both tournaments have about the same number of past champions with little chance. In fact, the past champions at The Masters probably do better than the ones in the PGA field. The main difference is that The Masters doesn't invite the group ranked 51-120 in the world unless they won a tournament.

 

[Darth Putter]

> @BNGL said:

> The real question is should we start giving PGA pros spots in the Ryder Cup....since you know the PGA puts that on as well.

 

They couldn't do worse.

 

I'll call up Coach Mike Small and see if wants to be Captain.

[Texsport]

The argument that 30 pros, from elite clubs, who have winter jobs qualified, is a little short on common sense and math - and actually makes my point.

 

30 aren’t affected? An insignificant number, and all from affluent situations - not your average PGA professional’s situation.

[golfortennis]

> @"Darth Putter" said:

> > @Bluefan75 said:

> > > @"Santiago Golf" said:

> > > Nobody about the 15-20 ams, mid ams, and mini tour players who miss tge cut at the us open every year, its the same thing basically. Im a PGA pro, so i biase. I personally think the number should 10-15 range, not 20.

> >

> > 20 is fine. Its funny how a major with 156 spots, 136 of which are filled by touring pros, gets the **** for having 20 PGA pros, yet not a peep about a 90 person field that includes past champions, amateur and reinstated amateurs, to the point where based on the criteria put forth here, only about 45 are really "competing." Apparently the PGA of America owes something more to people other than their members.

>

> Utter nonsense that only half The Masters field is "competing."

>

> The Masters only invites six amateurs these days and both tournaments have about the same number of past champions with little chance. In fact, the past champions at The Masters probably do better than the ones in the PGA field. The main difference is that The Masters doesn't invite the group ranked 51-120 in the world unless they won a tournament.

>

 

But it's "so hard to win out there, so many good players" that they are really watering down the field by not having the 156 best players out there.

[DavePelz4]

> @golfer929 said:

> This might be an unpopular opinion here, but they 100% do deserve all 20 of those spots. No, they are not taking them away from anybody. These men and women are the gatekeepers of our game, and frankly many of us wouldn't be a golfer at all if it wasn't for a PGA Pro. Show some respect!

 

Gatekeepers? Is that like when the Germans invaded Pearl Harbor?

[Texsport]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @Texsport said:

> > The PGA is totally disrespecting club pros with their repositioning the PGA Professional Championship to May. At the same time, they moved the PGA Club Championship - the tournament in which club pros qualify for the PGA Championship - to April!

> >

> > Many, many courses in the northern part of the country are not even open for the season yet. This April date virtually eliminates northern pros from having a realistic chance to qualify, since many haven't hit a single shot since September or October the previous year - 7 months! Obviously, the PGA Club Professional Championship should be in the fall, when every qualifier has an even chance!

> >

> > RIdiculously bad treatment of those members, and arguably reduces the quality of club pros playing at the PGA Championship.

> >

> > Additionally, playing the PGA Championship in cold weather is short changing everyone. I certainly hope they reposition future PGAs to warmer locations.

>

> um. quite a few, including local pro from montclair country club (NJ) have qualified...not sure what the beef is.

>

>

 

> @canonlbp430 said:

> 11 northern pros finished T19 or better so I don't think you can say the calendar move ruined their chances.

 

> @canonlbp430 said:

> 11 northern pros finished T19 or better so I don't think you can say the calendar move ruined their chances.

 

> @canonlbp430 said:

> 11 northern pros finished T19 or better so I don't think you can say the calendar move ruined their chances.

 

I totally disagree! There were only 1 or 2 from areas where the clubs weren’t open yet.

[Darth Putter]

> @Bluefan75 said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > @Bluefan75 said:

> > > > @"Santiago Golf" said:

> > > > Nobody about the 15-20 ams, mid ams, and mini tour players who miss tge cut at the us open every year, its the same thing basically. Im a PGA pro, so i biase. I personally think the number should 10-15 range, not 20.

> > >

> > > 20 is fine. Its funny how a major with 156 spots, 136 of which are filled by touring pros, gets the **** for having 20 PGA pros, yet not a peep about a 90 person field that includes past champions, amateur and reinstated amateurs, to the point where based on the criteria put forth here, only about 45 are really "competing." Apparently the PGA of America owes something more to people other than their members.

> >

> > Utter nonsense that only half The Masters field is "competing."

> >

> > The Masters only invites six amateurs these days and both tournaments have about the same number of past champions with little chance. In fact, the past champions at The Masters probably do better than the ones in the PGA field. The main difference is that The Masters doesn't invite the group ranked 51-120 in the world unless they won a tournament.

> >

>

> But it's "so hard to win out there, so many good players" that they are really watering down the field by not having the 156 best players out there.

 

156 PGA Tour golfers in April? Not nearly enough daylight.

 

The worst player OWGR of any Masters winner is Angel Cabrera's 69 in 2009 and he was already a US Open winner. I don't think The Masters loses anything by not having the Robert Strebs, Curt Byrums and Robert Rocks out there.

 

 

[gioguy21]

> @Texsport said:

> > @gioguy21 said:

> > > @Texsport said:

> > > The PGA is totally disrespecting club pros with their repositioning the PGA Professional Championship to May. At the same time, they moved the PGA Club Championship - the tournament in which club pros qualify for the PGA Championship - to April!

> > >

> > > Many, many courses in the northern part of the country are not even open for the season yet. This April date virtually eliminates northern pros from having a realistic chance to qualify, since many haven't hit a single shot since September or October the previous year - 7 months! Obviously, the PGA Club Professional Championship should be in the fall, when every qualifier has an even chance!

> > >

> > > RIdiculously bad treatment of those members, and arguably reduces the quality of club pros playing at the PGA Championship.

> > >

> > > Additionally, playing the PGA Championship in cold weather is short changing everyone. I certainly hope they reposition future PGAs to warmer locations.

> >

> > um. quite a few, including local pro from montclair country club (NJ) have qualified...not sure what the beef is.

> >

> >

>

> > @canonlbp430 said:

> > 11 northern pros finished T19 or better so I don't think you can say the calendar move ruined their chances.

>

> > @canonlbp430 said:

> > 11 northern pros finished T19 or better so I don't think you can say the calendar move ruined their chances.

>

> > @canonlbp430 said:

> > 11 northern pros finished T19 or better so I don't think you can say the calendar move ruined their chances.

>

> I totally disagree! There were only 1 or 2 from areas where the clubs weren’t open yet.

 

...did you read about the fact that pros go south in the winter or just, disagree to disagree? 'only 1 or 2' is NOT a lot of guys bud.

[gioguy21]

> @Texsport said:

> The argument that 30 pros, from elite clubs, who have winter jobs qualified, is a little short on common sense and math - and actually makes my point.

>

> 30 aren’t affected? An insignificant number, and all from affluent situations - not your average PGA professional’s situation.

 

...they're not average tho. that's why they made it.

[Texsport]

This qualifier is for 2020 PGA - why wouldn’t the fall of 2019 be more fair for everyone?

[gioguy21]

> @Texsport said:

> This qualifier is for 3020 PGA - why wouldn’t the fall of 2019 be more fair for everyone?

 

that's a long way out. not sure they'll be alive for that one.

 

...but having a fall qualifier would be even MORE detrimental to the successful play of the PGA pros since it gives MONTHS ahead of time for games to go south, etc. you want guys to qualify and play with the best games they have at the time.

[NoodleSalad]

> @Texsport said:

> The PGA is totally disrespecting club pros with their repositioning the PGA Professional Championship to May. At the same time, they moved the PGA Club Championship - the tournament in which club pros qualify for the PGA Championship - to April!

>

> Many, many courses in the northern part of the country are not even open for the season yet. This April date virtually eliminates northern pros from having a realistic chance to qualify, since many haven't hit a single shot since September or October the previous year - 7 months! Obviously, the PGA Club Professional Championship should be in the fall, when every qualifier has an even chance!

>

> RIdiculously bad treatment of those members, and arguably reduces the quality of club pros playing at the PGA Championship.

>

> Additionally, playing the PGA Championship in cold weather is short changing everyone. I certainly hope they reposition future PGAs to warmer locations.

 

I know some of these Northeast club pros, including one who competed in the SC qualifier. Most if not all are in Florida during the winter months.

 

 

[Darth Putter]

> @gioguy21 said:

> > @Texsport said:

> > This qualifier is for 3020 PGA - why wouldn’t the fall of 2019 be more fair for everyone?

>

> that's a long way out. not sure they'll be alive for that one.

>

> ...but having a fall qualifier would be even MORE detrimental to the successful play of the PGA pros since it gives MONTHS ahead of time for games to go south, etc. you want guys to qualify and play with the best games they have at the time.

 

Before 1997 the Club Pro Championship was played in the fall.

[new2g0lf]

Ill be rooting for a club pro from a course I belonged to here in NY (Jason Caron) who qualified for PGA Championship. I guess he found a way to play some golf.

[Hawkeye77]

> @Ferguson said:

> > @Hawkeye77 said:

> > Well earned and so many people forget (or just don't care) - it is their organization that puts this on.

> >

> > Big deal for these guys to make it to this tournament and their participation is understandably celebrated by all who give a **** about golf in this country.

>

>

> You've been swearing a lot lately.

> Marriage okay?

>

> Could not agree more. Huge deal.

 

LOL, people nearby in the restaurant just looked over to see why some guy was laughing so loud! I’m not telling!

[Big Cat 3]

These pros earned it by qualifying ... like Romo at his pro fails

[Golfer4Life]

I think Tony Romo should have gotten a spot, but that’s me. :* :D

[Golfer4Life]

> @GoGoErky said:

> > @Texsport said:

> > The PGA is totally disrespecting club pros with their repositioning the PGA Professional Championship to May. At the same time, they moved the PGA Club Championship - the tournament in which club pros qualify for the PGA Championship - to April!

> >

> > Many, many courses in the northern part of the country are not even open for the season yet. This April date virtually eliminates northern pros from having a realistic chance to qualify, since many haven't hit a single shot since September or October the previous year - 7 months! Obviously, the PGA Club Professional Championship should be in the fall, when every qualifier has an even chance!

> >

> > RIdiculously bad treatment of those members, and arguably reduces the quality of club pros playing at the PGA Championship.

> >

> > Additionally, playing the PGA Championship in cold weather is short changing everyone. I certainly hope they reposition future PGAs to warmer locations.

>

> There are pros from the north who work warmer climates in the winter.

 

That’s a fact! One of the assistants at my course, once the course is closed for the season, he goes to the Carolinas until May.

 

 

[cardoustie]

As one gent said it should be closer to 10. Some club guys should get in

By the way, doesn't Jertsen work full time at PING? What makes guys a club pro by PGA standards ? Just passing the PAT and being a pro at any time in the past or ?

And I agree with the Masters comments .. I think it needs to move to top 72 in the world and posted as such before the event. A nice golf #.

[iteachgolf]

> @cardoustie said:

> As one gent said it should be closer to 10. Some club guys should get in

> By the way, doesn't Jertsen work full time at PING? What makes guys a club pro by PGA standards ? Just passing the PAT and being a pro at any time in the past or ?

> And I agree with the Masters comments .. I think it needs to move to top 72 in the world and posted as such before the event. A nice golf #.

 

Must be a Class A PGA Member in good standing.

[BearQ]

I’m just worried about the boys out there at the monstrous Bethpage. Bit of bad weather and nerves, a club pro who only got hot in his qualifier. Seen it happen too many times. Best of luck tacking that monster squid that is the black course from tips!

[DavePelz4]

> @"Darth Putter" said:

> > @Bluefan75 said:

> > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > > @Bluefan75 said:

> > > > > @"Santiago Golf" said:

> > > > > Nobody about the 15-20 ams, mid ams, and mini tour players who miss tge cut at the us open every year, its the same thing basically. Im a PGA pro, so i biase. I personally think the number should 10-15 range, not 20.

> > > >

> > > > 20 is fine. Its funny how a major with 156 spots, 136 of which are filled by touring pros, gets the **** for having 20 PGA pros, yet not a peep about a 90 person field that includes past champions, amateur and reinstated amateurs, to the point where based on the criteria put forth here, only about 45 are really "competing." Apparently the PGA of America owes something more to people other than their members.

> > >

> > > Utter nonsense that only half The Masters field is "competing."

> > >

> > > The Masters only invites six amateurs these days and both tournaments have about the same number of past champions with little chance. In fact, the past champions at The Masters probably do better than the ones in the PGA field. The main difference is that The Masters doesn't invite the group ranked 51-120 in the world unless they won a tournament.

> > >

> >

> > But it's "so hard to win out there, so many good players" that they are really watering down the field by not having the 156 best players out there.

>

> 156 PGA Tour golfers in April? Not nearly enough daylight.

>

> The worst player OWGR of any Masters winner is Angel Cabrera's 69 in 2009 and he was already a US Open winner. I don't think The Masters loses anything by not having the Robert Strebs, Curt Byrums and Robert Rocks out there.

>

>

 

Come on DP...who has better hair than RR?

 

 

[Almostscratchonce]

> @Texsport said:

> The argument that 30 pros, from elite clubs, who have winter jobs qualified, is a little short on common sense and math - and actually makes my point.

>

> 30 aren’t affected? An insignificant number, and all from affluent situations - not your average PGA professional’s situation.

 

Pretty broad brush you're painting with there... I've known a few guys that have played in this over the years, and one in this years field. None of those are in big $/prestige positions... just your "average PGA Member", that happens to be pretty damn good.

[Almostscratchonce]

> @BNGL said:

> The real question is should we start giving PGA pros spots in the Ryder Cup....since you know the PGA puts that on as well.

 

The really real question is why doesn't the GCSAA get a few spots!?!

[iteachgolf]

> @BearQ said:

> I’m just worried about the boys out there at the monstrous Bethpage. Bit of bad weather and nerves, a club pro who only got hot in his qualifier. Seen it happen too many times. Best of luck tacking that monster squid that is the black course from tips!

 

They qualify by finishing top 20 and the National Championship over 4 rounds. It’s not a qualifier and you don’t make the National Championship and then finish top 20 once you get there by “getting hot”.

[johnseg]

> @DavePelz4 said:

> > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > @Bluefan75 said:

> > > > @"Darth Putter" said:

> > > > > @Bluefan75 said:

> > > > > > @"Santiago Golf" said:

> > > > > > Nobody about the 15-20 ams, mid ams, and mini tour players who miss tge cut at the us open every year, its the same thing basically. Im a PGA pro, so i biase. I personally think the number should 10-15 range, not 20.

> > > > >

> > > > > 20 is fine. Its funny how a major with 156 spots, 136 of which are filled by touring pros, gets the **** for having 20 PGA pros, yet not a peep about a 90 person field that includes past champions, amateur and reinstated amateurs, to the point where based on the criteria put forth here, only about 45 are really "competing." Apparently the PGA of America owes something more to people other than their members.

> > > >

> > > > Utter nonsense that only half The Masters field is "competing."

> > > >

> > > > The Masters only invites six amateurs these days and both tournaments have about the same number of past champions with little chance. In fact, the past champions at The Masters probably do better than the ones in the PGA field. The main difference is that The Masters doesn't invite the group ranked 51-120 in the world unless they won a tournament.

> > > >

> > >

> > > But it's "so hard to win out there, so many good players" that they are really watering down the field by not having the 156 best players out there.

> >

> > 156 PGA Tour golfers in April? Not nearly enough daylight.

> >

> > The worst player OWGR of any Masters winner is Angel Cabrera's 69 in 2009 and he was already a US Open winner. I don't think The Masters loses anything by not having the Robert Strebs, Curt Byrums and Robert Rocks out there.

> >

> >

>

> Come on DP...who has better hair than RR?

>

>

>

 

I do have to say, that is excellent flow he has going.

[BNGL]

> @Almostscratchonce said:

> > @BNGL said:

> > The real question is should we start giving PGA pros spots in the Ryder Cup....since you know the PGA puts that on as well.

>

> The really real question is why doesn't the GCSAA get a few spots!?!

 

Lmfao AMEN!!!!

 

 

[Golfjack]

Of course they do. It's not every tournament. Just this one. It's a little more unique because of this. These are the top of the top PGA pro's making it too. I really don't think they are too shabby. Next someone is going to start a thread about how scratch guys can do better than these pro's. Give me a break. They get in (probably worked real hard too), probably won't win, but it's quite the experience!

[wmblake2000]

I have a friend who qualified for PGA back in the day. It was one of Arnie's last times to play the PGA. My friend said the biggest thing was hitting a tee ball with the fairways lined with people. It was a total buzz. He finished next to DFL in missing the cut. Arnie finished DFL. My pal can always say "I beat Arnold Palmer."