Shaft Puring - Myth or No Myth

[2muchclub]

I am looking at getting a new set of irons. Based on my club fitting, probably going with the Ping I210s with a 90 gram shaft. My club head speed with a 6 iron is in the 80-82 mph range. The club fitter recommended building the clubs and having the shafts pured. With modern steel shafts, is that a worthwhile expense? If not, I could order the clubs directly from Ping at a significant savings.

[HappyGilmore22]

If you're a tour player than sure go for it, otherwise don't waste your money. Order directly from Ping.

[rt_charger]

Not worth it for you mate. Costs money for no really big gain at your speeds. Save your money.

[rgk5]

> @2muchclub said:

> I am looking at getting a new set of irons. Based on my club fitting, probably going with the Ping I210s with a 90 gram shaft. My club head speed with a 6 iron is in the 80-82 mph range. The club fitter recommended building the clubs and having the shafts pured. With modern steel shafts, is that a worthwhile expense? **I**f not, I could order the clubs directly from Ping at a significant savings.

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How are you able to do that?

[wcbjr]

You can do the same thing (Frequency Line Oscillation) with a clamp and vise. Will you be able to notice a difference? Probably not.

[BigHook25]

> @2muchclub said:

> I am looking at getting a new set of irons. Based on my club fitting, probably going with the Ping I210s with a 90 gram shaft. My club head speed with a 6 iron is in the 80-82 mph range. The club fitter recommended building the clubs and having the shafts pured. With modern steel shafts, is that a worthwhile expense? If not, I could order the clubs directly from Ping at a significant savings.

 

I have yet to see one study were puring has helped. I know many say it works, but I would like to see the data that shows that it helps.

[Z1ggy16]

Maybe if you're pro puring/CPM matching will be "worth it" but for most mere mortals, no.

[braincramp52]

> @2muchclub said:

> I am looking at getting a new set of irons. Based on my club fitting, probably going with the Ping I210s with a 90 gram shaft. My club head speed with a 6 iron is in the 80-82 mph range. The club fitter recommended building the clubs and having the shafts pured. With modern steel shafts, is that a worthwhile expense? If not, I could order the clubs directly from Ping at a significant savings.

 

Ping won't let you order directly from them unless you're a dealer.

[dlygrisse]

I know a top level club builder who can get almost any brand you want to custom build. If you are in the KC area go see the Golf MD. He has Ping, Titleist, TM, Callaway PXG Miura etc.

 

> @lawsonman said:

> > @2muchclub said:

> > I am looking at getting a new set of irons. Based on my club fitting, probably going with the Ping I210s with a 90 gram shaft. My club head speed with a 6 iron is in the 80-82 mph range. The club fitter recommended building the clubs and having the shafts pured. With modern steel shafts, is that a worthwhile expense? If not, I could order the clubs directly from Ping at a significant savings.

>

> Ping won't let you order directly from them unless you're a dealer.

 

 

[mogc60]

Myth

[Adam C]

It's not a myth, it's just BS. Complete snake oil based on faulty logic and a lack of understanding of how golf shafts work during a golf swing. If you want to do some home made FLOing or Spine finding, maybe there is a placebo effect that has some unmeasurable value, but don't ever pay for it, FLO, Spine, or PURE.

Honestly, anyone who tries to sell you on it, calls into serious doubt what expertise they claim to have.

[trhode]

Curious why OEM's don't offer shaft puring. As most of them are getting better custom options, they could potentially make an extra $25 per club profit.

[ckay]

> @trhode said:

> Curious why OEM's don't offer shaft puring. As most of them are getting better custom options, they could potentially make an extra $25 per club profit.

I would assume it is the time involved. OEMs just needs to market and act as a dropshipper at the moment. Puring adds an extra layer in that process.

 

[YoungJedi]

No shaft is perfectly round or straight. No matter how much you pay for it, or what the manufacturer says (even TPT or paderson ).

 

Here are my results. I definitely say it makes a difference.

 

[pinhigh27]

Going to have to describe methodology for how you did the comparison for it to mean anything.

 

Placebo is a real thing as well.

[YoungJedi]

Same head, same shaft, same specs, same balls. Exact same build. One was pured, one wasn’t.

 

Fitter gave me club, but didn’t tell me which one was which. Hit 5 with one, 5 with the next. 5 with one. 5 with the next. Repeat until I hit 25 with each. I’m a scratch player, played college golf.

[YoungJedi]

Yes. Yellow is labeled SST pure

 

Idk. After doing this and being a member there. They actually offered me a job. I fit tons of people and I’ve seen thousands of shafts go through the Pure machine. I know for a fact after watching the shafts just go in those, I’ll never NOT do it again. It’s amazing the shafts are not the (straight or round) and seeing how much they improve.

 

If you’re already spending 1200 on irons. What’s another 150 to gain a competitive advantage, knowing your clubs are in the best possible condition, placebo or not?

[Pepperturbo]

I don't buy a better golfer, even with attention to detail, is able to differentiate a few feet downrange and parallel it to Puring. He has to assume. As for spending $1200 rational, why not spend more... not at all prudent, unless your spending another person's money. lol Kinda like assuming a magnetic bracelet helps the bones so why not???

 

It's a waste of money for average Joe golfer, as he/she doesn't have attention to detail or ability to control distances.

[Adam C]

> @YoungJedi said:

> Yes. Yellow is labeled SST pure

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> Idk. After doing this and being a member there. They actually offered me a job. I fit tons of people and I’ve seen thousands of shafts go through the Pure machine. I know for a fact after watching the shafts just go in those, I’ll never NOT do it again. It’s amazing the shafts are not the (straight or round) and seeing how much they improve.

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> If you’re already spending 1200 on irons. What’s another 150 to gain a competitive advantage, knowing your clubs are in the best possible condition, placebo or not?

 

So you are a club fitter and you work somewhere that offers shaft PUREing and it is your unbiased opinion that it works? Hmmm.

[YoungJedi]

> @"Adam C" said:

> > @YoungJedi said:

> > Yes. Yellow is labeled SST pure

> >

> > Idk. After doing this and being a member there. They actually offered me a job. I fit tons of people and I’ve seen thousands of shafts go through the Pure machine. I know for a fact after watching the shafts just go in those, I’ll never NOT do it again. It’s amazing the shafts are not the (straight or round) and seeing how much they improve.

> >

> > If you’re already spending 1200 on irons. What’s another 150 to gain a competitive advantage, knowing your clubs are in the best possible condition, placebo or not?

>

> So you are a club fitter and you work somewhere that offers shaft PUREing and it is your unbiased opinion that it works? Hmmm.

 

No I worked there 2 years ago. I’ve bought 3 sets since working there (no discount) and still pure theme because I 100% believe in it and have seen over a thousand shafts go through them.

 

Oh well if you don’t, not my loss. Just speaking from actual fist hand experience

[Howard_Jones]

> @trhode said:

> Curious why OEM's don't offer shaft puring. As most of them are getting better custom options, they could potentially make an extra $25 per club profit.

 

It would be the same as admitting that their own quality testing is insufficient, and that would be bad for sale, and they will loose more money in that end, than what they can gain in this end, since the marked is limited.

 

If one brand started, and the other did not, how would the marked respond to that?

Would they say this brand make so bad shafts, they offer PURE or FLO as a upgrade option, or quality insurance if you like, meaning there is no quality insurance if you just by the "retail" version.....WFT....and the others dont offer this, so its either a "trick" to fool more money out of your pockets, or maybe they are the only one honest about the fact that "shafts might be different", even with the same labels? .

 

I used FLO with CPM testing as a quality control, no shaft passed my desk to a club head without, but thats how it has to be if we want to be in control of specs so the club we build is the one we planned to build. Flex might be off by 1 flex class vs label, so if you was fitted to a certain model as "S Flex", it better be "S" when you get it, "X" want feel and work the same, thats why the fitting said "S" in this model....Those of you who use term like "Snake oil" about quality controls has never been working under "standard" regimes and rules of order. As a former Gun Smith, "Cut and Glue", is not considered as "Club making" in "my book".

 

Its up to each player to set his own quality demands, its that simple, and got nothing to do with Snake oil or Placebo, but piece of mind, and that effect is real, stronger for some than others, some is more sensitive than others, no rules is valid for all here, except during play.

[Valtiel]

> @YoungJedi said:

> No shaft is perfectly round or straight. No matter how much you pay for it, or what the manufacturer says (even TPT or paderson ).

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> Here are my results. I definitely say it makes a difference.

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Do you recall what type of shaft it was? It seems that the biggest difference was slightly lower launch and spin with slightly higher ball speed due to better contact. I'm just wondering if due to manufacturing tolerances whether the SST shaft might have been slightly stiffer or lighter/heavier causing a slight change in consistency. Not trying to argue or anything, just interested in the variables.

[jasonp87]

It makes zero difference at all, albeit with a caveat. As howard said its good to see if a shaft is out of spec in the set due to QC issues. But FLO or PURE will not make that Stiff shaft back into an X etc.

 

If you had a set of shafts and QC checked em and they all CPMd out the same at different parts of the shaft (i.e. frequency sorted them) then cloned them and built 2 sets. 1 PURED the other not. You will notice zero difference.

 

I have done exactly that. Ive played PURED and non and or FLO.

 

For what its worth my current set is spine and FLOD but that was to QC the shafts. Not because the FLO did anything in and of itself