Your most unpopular Golf opinions?

[mshills]

13 hours ago, Archimedes65 said:

Give him the wrong yardages for a while to teach him a lesson.  I’d tell everyone to add 15 yards to every yardage they give him and then share a laugh when he spends the afternoon crowing about how’s he crushing his irons today.

 

Or just all chip in and buy him the cheapest rangefinder you can find on Amazon and toss it in his bag.

 

That indirect passive aggressive stuff doesn’t work with guys like that.  @Greenie either you, or someone tight with him, or several of you need to be direct with him if you want to address the problem.

 

”I am not getting yardage for you, and please do not bark at me like I’m your caddie.  Frankly, people are not wanting to play with you lately.  If you want to be a part of this game you need to figure out how to play at pace (keep up) and you need to get connected with the text communication for the group.  The grumpy old man stuff is wearing everyone thin, and several of us are really weary of accommodating you.”

 

If he chooses to bounce, fine, and I’d be shocked if he stuck around after being told that.  I’m sure you can find someone else.

[J3H]

On 10/13/2024 at 11:46 AM, Archimedes65 said:

 

No second breakfast either!

 

Seriously though, it boggles my mind how people think a round of golf starts when they’ve had at least two shots to put the ball in the fairway.  Whenever someone says ‘breakfast ball?’ to me on the first tee, I say ‘sure, if you’d rather be lying three in the fairway than one in the rough, go for it.’

 

And the response I often get when I say no breakfast balls is ‘oh, we’re not pros, we’re just out here having fun…’. I’m totally fine with that.  But you’re not playing a real round of golf and you should not be posting your score.  You’re just playing a practice round and you might as well drop second balls whenever you want during the round.

 

Breakfast ball is just quitting a round and starting a new one.  Not a big deal in the slightest, not everyone has the time to hit the range nor do a lot of courses have ranges.

[jda]

The people who complain about breakfast balls, mullys, gimmies and all of that yet would never actually go back and rehit when they lose a ball amazes me.  Either all of the rules, or none, IMO.  Provisional is not all that hard.  Had a rando last week complain to his bro that he dropped wrong with yellow stakes, but lost two balls in the rough and just dropped without a stroke since they "should have been there."

 

This just in: lost balls and out of bounds means go back to the prior spot and rehit.

[Archimedes65]

2 hours ago, jda said:

The people who complain about breakfast balls, mullys, gimmies and all of that yet would never actually go back and rehit when they lose a ball amazes me.  Either all of the rules, or none, IMO.  Provisional is not all that hard.  Had a rando last week complain to his bro that he dropped wrong with yellow stakes, but lost two balls in the rough and just dropped without a stroke since they "should have been there."

 

This just in: lost balls and out of bounds means go back to the prior spot and rehit.

 

Well if you don’t take proper relief or at least have already hit a provisional, then you’re round is over.  From then on you’re playing a practice round, which is fine.  Just don’t post your score.

 

Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, doesn’t matter if it’s on the first tee or anywhere else.  If you don’t play the ball as it lies, subject to allowable relief under the rules, you ain’t playing golf.  You’re just practicing smacking a little white ball around on a golf course.

 

Oh that last line above is not true, as I’m sure that you know that relief from lost balls in a penalty area is not limited to refitting from the prior spot.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2024 by Archimedes65

[mshills]

49 minutes ago, jda said:

The people who complain about breakfast balls, mullys, gimmies and all of that yet would never actually go back and rehit when they lose a ball amazes me.  Either all of the rules, or none, IMO.  Provisional is not all that hard.  Had a rando last week complain to his bro that he dropped wrong with yellow stakes, but lost two balls in the rough and just dropped without a stroke since they "should have been there."

 

This just in: lost balls and out of bounds means go back to the prior spot and rehit.

But then I won’t be able to finish my round in 2 hours. I have other things to do and places to be!

[Warrior42111]

1 hour ago, J3H said:

Breakfast ball is just quitting a round and starting a new one.  Not a big deal in the slightest, not everyone has the time to hit the range nor do a lot of courses have ranges.

1. Playing a comp -  follow the rules

2. match with buddies - follow agreed upon rules

3. Playing to play - who gives a flying F&^%? Best case you enter a vanity handicap and I can win some case on you situations 1 and 2 

[Greenie]

3 hours ago, mshills said:

 

That indirect passive aggressive stuff doesn’t work with guys like that.  @Greenie either you, or someone tight with him, or several of you need to be direct with him if you want to address the problem.

 

”I am not getting yardage for you, and please do not bark at me like I’m your caddie.  Frankly, people are not wanting to play with you lately.  If you want to be a part of this game you need to figure out how to play at pace (keep up) and you need to get connected with the text communication for the group.  The grumpy old man stuff is wearing everyone thin, and several of us are really weary of accommodating you.”

 

If he chooses to bounce, fine, and I’d be shocked if he stuck around after being told that.  I’m sure you can find someone else.

 

I have had a long talk with him about his poor etiquette. His reply is we are not pros. He doesn't change anything. I have no problem telling him like it is. I will tell his being cheap stories to someone while he is standing right beside me. He just laughs after I finish a story. I have told him no one wants to ride with him in the group. He says oh well someone has to. It has gotten to the point that when he barks out I need a yardage either no one will respond or they will say you need to get your own yardage. Anytime his ball is out of reach and he asks for a ball retriever the reply is you need to get your own ball retriever. He just goes on. He is not going to change anything. He is not going to leave the group. We all have become direct with him because we have had enough. The guy in charge doesn't want to be the bad guy and no one else wants to either. I told them at the beginning you don't want him in the group. I was the bad guy for saying that. Now everyone knows..

[Double Mocha Man]

4 hours ago, Greenie said:

 

He was in my old group I played in. I was so happy when I joined this new group and I thought I was rid of him. One of the other guys asked him in the new group. I wasn't happy about it and I said you don't want this guy in your group. Along with being cheap he is the poor etiquette guy. He is still in the group but every week it is who gets stuck playing with this guy.  He ends up in my foursome sometimes but I refuse to ride with him. 

 

There must be some redeeming qualities to this guy, somehow. Does he tell a good joke? Does he laugh at your bad jokes? There's gotta be something... 

[Double Mocha Man]

12 minutes ago, Greenie said:

 

I have had a long talk with him about his poor etiquette. His reply is we are not pros. He doesn't change anything. I have no problem telling him like it is. I will tell his being cheap stories to someone while he is standing right beside me. He just laughs after I finish a story. I have told him no one wants to ride with him in the group. He says oh well someone has to. It has gotten to the point that when he barks out I need a yardage either no one will respond or they will say you need to get your own yardage. Anytime his ball is out of reach and he asks for a ball retriever the reply is you need to get your own ball retriever. He just goes on. He is not going to change anything. He is not going to leave the group. We all have become direct with him because we have had enough. The guy in charge doesn't want to be the bad guy and no one else wants to either. I told them at the beginning you don't want him in the group. I was the bad guy for saying that. Now everyone knows..

 

Again, and he's only 67!  Way too young to be a grumpy old man.

[Archimedes65]

See I knew that my breakfast ball opinion would be unpopular!

 

Because it’s not popular to actually play real golf, i.e. follow the rules of golf.  A very small percentage of players actually do it.  Most people take a brekkie, find new interpretations every round for ground under repair, and have never seen a pair of three footers that weren’t good-good.  They play a game with golf clubs and golf balls, but it’s not really golf.

[Greenie]

2 hours ago, Double Mocha Man said:

 

There must be some redeeming qualities to this guy, somehow. Does he tell a good joke? Does he laugh at your bad jokes? There's gotta be something... 

Yes..He has always been reliable. When he says he going to do something he has never backed out. He always shows up a little early. I have never known him to be late. You can always count on him. You just can't stand him when he shows up.

[DB Golf]

On 9/24/2019 at 2:04 AM, BarrySanders said:

If you took a poll, over 50 percent of people would be against your opinion. Mine:

Mine:

• Pitching wedge and Gap wedge as part of an iron set progression are NOT wedges and it's time to stop calling them wedges and start calling them 10i and 11i.

[david.c.w]

24 minutes ago, DB Golf said:

Mine:

• Pitching wedge and Gap wedge as part of an iron set progression are NOT wedges and it's time to stop calling them wedges and start calling them 10i and 11i.

 

You sir are now winning this thread.  That take is preposterous!  

[knock it close]

20 hours ago, J3H said:

Breakfast ball is just quitting a round and starting a new one.  Not a big deal in the slightest, not everyone has the time to hit the range nor do a lot of courses have ranges.

Sounds like an Ish-you not an Ish-me

[knock it close]

40 minutes ago, DB Golf said:

Mine:

• Pitching wedge and Gap wedge as part of an iron set progression are NOT wedges and it's time to stop calling them wedges and start calling them 10i and 11i.

Especially when the "gap" wedge is 46*

[Warrior42111]

17 minutes ago, david.c.w said:

 

You sir are now winning this thread.  That take is preposterous!  

here comes the loft jacking comments well that's not a real 11i back in my day blah blah blah 

[J3H]

5 minutes ago, knock it close said:

Sounds like an Ish-you not an Ish-me

Sounds like a you problem when having a problem about someone taking one extra shot a round

[knock it close]

If you claim the "Gallery Rule" I don't even want to associate myself with you let alone play golf with you. 

[Double Mocha Man]

5 minutes ago, knock it close said:

If you claim the "Gallery Rule" I don't even want to associate myself with you let alone play golf with you. 

 

Galleries are good. They stop your drive from going out of bounds, accidentally. They let your drive bounce off of them and back into the fairway. They'll tell you what big leaf your ball is under when you can't find it. It's rare that they can keep your ball from going in a pond.

[jda]

Played a qualifier with a guy about a decade ago who brought about 50 of his family to watch.  I did not have to look for a ball all day.  Hit one about 20 yards into the tall fescue and one of them was standing over it when I got there... saved me 2 strokes being able to find it.

 

Probably unpoular with how many people want to gargle on manufacturers units anymore, but most amateur golfers would be better off with the SW and LW that matched the set and not some "custom" grind and bounce wedge... ala Eye2, Zing, Lynx, etc.  The old clubs have the same bounces and just progress off of the set and are easier to hit.  These would deliver better results for most people than spin milling, full faces and all of that.  i guess that it means that you play 6 iron, 7, 8, 9, PW, Approach, Gap, Attack, SW and LW?  ...or in the olden days, 3-PW, SW and LW.

Edited October 16, 2024 by jda

[mshills]

1 hour ago, Warrior42111 said:

here comes the loft jacking comments well that's not a real 11i back in my day blah blah blah 

I’m worried about loft jacking because I don’t want to risk a trade-off. 😂

[shankasaurus rex]

On 10/13/2024 at 4:39 PM, Archimedes65 said:

 

But 2:10 for nine is still slow.  The golfing world has just accepted that anything sub 4:30 for 18 is a reasonably quick round, which is ridiculous.  In the immortal words of Opus the penguin, “Even if a million people do a stupid thing, it is still a stupid thing.”

 

The maximum time it should ever take a foursome to play 18 holes, and this is assuming they are taking their time, socializing with each other, reading every putt and never rushing a shot, is 3:30.  It’s not hard to do.  And foursomes should be encouraged to attempt to complete 18 in closer to three hours, which can easily be done with no rushing at all if everyone plays ready golf.  My bet is that most of them would shoot better scores as well, because they’d be in a much better rhythm.

 

And the average country club guy who plays twice a week would save 100-150 hours of their life every year that they could then spend on something else.  Even if its just relaxing in the bar after the round, it’s gotta be better than just standing around on a golf course in the sun getting skin cancer…

 

No. Plan your day better.

[Rambada]

IMHO a young healthy dude with a low handicap from playing forward tees isn't a real handicap. 

 

[Warrior42111]

3 hours ago, knock it close said:

If you claim the "Gallery Rule" I don't even want to associate myself with you let alone play golf with you. 

Galley rule as in would have stopped a rope hook from going 20 yards OB I'm with you.

 

Galley rule on finding a ball near no OB / hazard that the group knows was in play unless an official comp I'm telling my opponent to free drop. I don't want karma to bite my behind later. 

[bigred90gt]

On 10/4/2024 at 8:52 AM, Argonne69 said:

 

Should players wanting to play 5 to 6 hour rounds on a Saturday morning also be required to buy their own course?

 

Absolutely. 

 

there is a balance between too fast and too slow. I Personally don't think 3 hours is too fast, but it is definitely pushing it on a busy day. 5 hours is ALWAYS slow though. I find for a 4some on an average weekend round, 3.5-4.5 hours can feel like a decent pace as long as things are moving. Anything longer than that and I start to get road rage wanting to pass everyone and obsessing over every stupid thing they are doing in front of me that is slow. 

[birdiesNbourbon]

On 10/9/2024 at 2:56 PM, Motoboss said:

You want to play a 5 hour round, go buy your own golf course.

 

I don't think most golfers set out wanting to play a 5 hour round, I certainly don't.

[Warrior42111]

2 hours ago, bigred90gt said:

Absolutely. 

 

there is a balance between too fast and too slow. I Personally don't think 3 hours is too fast, but it is definitely pushing it on a busy day. 5 hours is ALWAYS slow though. I find for a 4some on an average weekend round, 3.5-4.5 hours can feel like a decent pace as long as things are moving. Anything longer than that and I start to get road rage wanting to pass everyone and obsessing over every stupid thing they are doing in front of me that is slow. 

Agreed, I don't think anyone thinks 4.5- 5+ with no one in front is acceptable, or at least would let groups play through. 

 

Asking for 3 hour rounds where everyone parts the seas for you, outside of small membership privates seems unreasonable as well. Personally it's more frustrted when a course is packed and some group of jackwagons is pissed at us. Worse I've seen is stacked course par 3 walking off the green to carts maybe 20-30 ft from green complex. Guy slightly pulls shot no fore nothing, balls rattles of one of our carts. We say something like hey man you got to say fore. Their response was if we played faster it wouldn't happen. 

 

As you said anything between 3.5-4.5 usually my groups I play in just seem to adjust almost naturally so where not up on them then getting mad or frustrated. 

[st1800e]

On 10/16/2024 at 12:48 PM, Warrior42111 said:

Galley rule as in would have stopped a rope hook from going 20 yards OB I'm with you.

Like this? 
 

 

[david.c.w]

On 10/16/2024 at 11:51 AM, jda said:

Played a qualifier with a guy about a decade ago who brought about 50 of his family to watch.  I did not have to look for a ball all day.  Hit one about 20 yards into the tall fescue and one of them was standing over it when I got there... saved me 2 strokes being able to find it.

 

Probably unpoular with how many people want to gargle on manufacturers units anymore, but most amateur golfers would be better off with the SW and LW that matched the set and not some "custom" grind and bounce wedge... ala Eye2, Zing, Lynx, etc.  The old clubs have the same bounces and just progress off of the set and are easier to hit.  These would deliver better results for most people than spin milling, full faces and all of that.  i guess that it means that you play 6 iron, 7, 8, 9, PW, Approach, Gap, Attack, SW and LW?  ...or in the olden days, 3-PW, SW and LW.

 

A full swing with my PW (from the set) is much easier than a full swing with my 52 (SM7).  More weight, mass, stability?  I don't know.  I have been working on trying to not take full swings with the wedges recently, nothing more than 75%.  But that leaves be a bit of a gap between the PW and the 52.  

 

 

[david.c.w]

99% of all golfers and caddies organize clubs in the bag the wrong way.   The best way is shown below.

 

Easy access to all clubs.  The other way the longer clubs are blocking the shorter clubs, both when walking and when on a cart.