** OFFICIAL REVIEW: MITSUBISHI MMT Iron Shafts ***** FINAL REVIEW Post #2 is UP

[R.Patrick]

SS-wise I am better suited to the 105S, but weight wise better suited to the 105TX.  Would there be a big difference in flex between the 105S and 105TX soft stepped 1X?

[KingTitus]

Yesterday was day 2 of hitting my Miura's and Vokey's with MMT 125TX's. Woke up today and my hands and wrists feel incredible. 

 

These shafts are so smooth and require so much less effort to get the same numbers as I was getting with my X7's. Swing speed is up and launch is the same. Spinning a hair more than my X7's but with the added speed, thats expected. My miss with my X7's was a big nasty hook, but that looks to be eliminated now. After hitting about 100 balls on my quad, I was just living off the center line. 

 

Playing my first round with them on Saturday, so I'll report back after. All things are looking great so far. Sold my X7's shafts already, so no going back for me!

[NRJyzr]

2 hours ago, R.Patrick said:

SS-wise I am better suited to the 105S, but weight wise better suited to the 105TX.  Would there be a big difference in flex between the 105S and 105TX soft stepped 1X?

 

I would say yes.  A single soft step isn't that much of a move in flex terms.

 

I'm not trying to be snarky, but is 8g across the length of the shaft, some of which will be trimmed, going to make that much difference?  You could bump your swingweight 1 or 1.5 pts to compensate, in a pseudo-MOI adaptation...

 

[R.Patrick]

 

1 hour ago, NRJyzr said:

 

I would say yes.  A single soft step isn't that much of a move in flex terms.

 

I'm not trying to be snarky, but is 8g across the length of the shaft, some of which will be trimmed, going to make that much difference?  You could bump your swingweight 1 or 1.5 pts to compensate, in a pseudo-MOI adaptation...

 

Not sure if 8g will make a tremendous difference or not, I just know i get along much better with the 120g steel shafts that I currently have compared to the 105’s that came in the clubs.

I currently have a 6i built up in the TX soft stepped 1X and thought I may try doing the same with S flex (no soft step)

To your swing weight point, I do have billy bobs small hole graphite shaft tip weights, but it looks like the MMT’s would still need to be drilled out some.

Edited February 10, 2022 by R.Patrick

[nfreda2211]

2 hours ago, R.Patrick said:

 

Not sure if 8g will make a tremendous difference or not, I just know i get along much better with the 120g steel shafts that I currently have compared to the 105’s that came in the clubs.

I currently have a 6i built up in the TX soft stepped 1X and thought I may try doing the same with S flex (no soft step)

To your swing weight point, I do have billy bobs small hole graphite shaft tip weights, but it looks like the MMT’s would still need to be drilled out some.

Why not go 125 stiff then?

[R.Patrick]

27 minutes ago, nfreda2211 said:

Why not go 125 stiff then?

Honestly I didn’t notice that they came in that configuration, but that may be the best bet. Thanks!

[bladehunter]

On 2/8/2022 at 8:49 PM, GMcKelvie said:

Well after about the 3rd swing you could probably see my smile half way across the country. Unreal how much easier these are to swing vs the X7’s. Big hook miss is gone, dispersion is tighter, launching and spinning right where I want it and my clubhead speed is higher. And on top of all of that, no vibrations!!! So glad I went down this rabbit hole. Hit from 4 iron to 58 and every club felt just like butter. Those shafts mixed with my miuras are an unreal feeling. 10/10 will recommend to anyone. 

Yep. Not shocked at all.    The thing that really grips my mind is that they’re better in wedges than the irons.  And they’re really  good in the mid and long iron.   But for me , I cannot get away from the feel , and dispersion of the sand and lob wedge.    I am like you and hit balls almost 7 days a week.  My lob wedge practice area is 80 yards with a landing spot about 14 feet wide.  Pool on one side.  Long grass on the other.  A small ball bucket in the middle as a target.  I can hit balls all day from 60-75 yards and never miss that 14 feet window.  And I’ll scare the bucket on the fly a lot.     This translates to me absolutely being Uber confident and aggressive on the course from 80 and in.  And although  I’ve been a good wedge player always.  This past summer since going to this shaft.  I’m much better.  I control spin better and dispersion is just too good to believe.  The only thing I consider is the front to back miss.  And that’s easy enough to get dialed in when you’re not worried about the over spin that I had to worry about before.  

Edited February 11, 2022 by bladehunter

[nfreda2211]

3 hours ago, R.Patrick said:

Honestly I didn’t notice that they came in that configuration, but that may be the best bet. Thanks!

Yeah they did add it to the lineup later then the others. I played the 105s for a little while but wanted something heavier so Im getting my irons reshafted with the 125s

[phizzy30]

17 hours ago, R.Patrick said:

SS-wise I am better suited to the 105S, but weight wise better suited to the 105TX.  Would there be a big difference in flex between the 105S and 105TX soft stepped 1X?

Yes there is.  I have TX flex in mine and my brother just got his 105S which I was able to try.  TX flex is quite a bit stiffer than S flex even if it was to be ss x 1.  You would probably see higher spin numbers from S flex. 

Edited February 11, 2022 by phizzy30

[Redpro]

Anyone here play the MMT in 60g Senior flex? Looking for feedback (ball flight, spin, feel) on it. My SS is 68mph and I'm 72 yrs old, 9 HCP. I need spin to hold the greens I play at my course. 

Edited February 11, 2022 by Redpro

[ericft]

for those building with MMT, was there a significant increase in swingweight? I bought some 105tx 3-9 to build soft stepped 1x into my brand new p750 irons built 0.5" long with 36 " PW and going up from there...I am seeing swingweights in the d4-d7 range with the build not tip weights placed...

[phizzy30]

Just now, ericft said:

for those building with MMT, was there a significant increase in swingweight? I bought some 105tx 3-9 to build soft stepped 1x into my brand new p750 irons built 0.5" long with 36 " PW and going up from there...I am seeing swingweights in the d4-d7 range with the build not tip weights placed...

I encountered this issue when talking to Eric over at New Level.  He told me the MMT run a bit heavy regarding swing weight.  Luckily though, I like my irons on the heavier side and my set is D3-D4. 

[ericft]

Just now, phizzy30 said:

I encountered this issue when talking to Eric over at New Level.  He told me the MMT run a bit heavy regarding swing weight.  Luckily though, I like my irons on the heavier side and my set is D3-D4. 

Funny you should mention that...I am thinking of taking my PF-2s and dechroming them and maybe installing the mmt into them with the loss of weight I am sure swingweight will be perfect! The true wrx ho I haven't even hit the clubs I put the shafts into and already looking for a new project for them....

[phizzy30]

Just now, ericft said:

Funny you should mention that...I am thinking of taking my PF-2s and dechroming them and maybe installing the mmt into them with the loss of weight I am sure swingweight will be perfect! The true wrx ho I haven't even hit the clubs I put the shafts into and already looking for a new project for them....

Will they be raw heads then?  If so, that would be so f****** awesome.  I love my 623-M and I'm sure you'll be more than happy with your PF-2 w/MMT. 

[ericft]

2 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Will they be raw heads then?  If so, that would be so f****** awesome.  I love my 623-M and I'm sure you'll be more than happy with your PF-2 w/MMT. 

Yes planning on leaving them raw heads but will likely not let them patina too much...now just need to find the place to get it done...

[STank724]

16 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Yep. Not shocked at all.    The thing that really grips my mind is that they’re better in wedges than the irons.  And they’re really  good in the mid and long iron.   But for me , I cannot get away from the feel , and dispersion of the sand and lob wedge.    I am like you and hit balls almost 7 days a week.  My lob wedge practice area is 80 yards with a landing spot about 14 feet wide.  Pool on one side.  Long grass on the other.  A small ball bucket in the middle as a target.  I can hit balls all day from 60-75 yards and never miss that 14 feet window.  And I’ll scare the bucket on the fly a lot.     This translates to me absolutely being Uber confident and aggressive on the course from 80 and in.  And although  I’ve been a good wedge player always.  This past summer since going to this shaft.  I’m much better.  I control spin better and dispersion is just too good to believe.  The only thing I consider is the front to back miss.  And that’s easy enough to get dialed in when you’re not worried about the over spin that I had to worry about before.  

Now this really has my attention. Are you using the Scoring Wedges or the iron wedge shaft?

[bladehunter]

24 minutes ago, STank724 said:

Now this really has my attention. Are you using the Scoring Wedges or the iron wedge shaft?

I use the “W” wedge shaft 125Tx from pw to lob.      Long story but when I ordered the set many moons ago.  They were out of pw shafts.  But. The guy had one W shaft.  So I took it. Well I loved it. At the time I had Fuji mci in my wedges. Loved them. But. I kept coming back to my pw as my favorite club.  Has a nice crisp feeling at impact.   So when I swapped wedges I went to the 125 Tx W shafts in the gap , sand and lob.  And it immediately made my wedge game feel better.  It’s the crisp feeling through  impact that I like.    
 

All that being said I’m not certain that the W wedge shaft is different than the iron shafts.  I haven’t hit the regular pw shaft.  I could just be that the heavier wedge heads make for a nice feeling at impact ?  Im not sure.  

[tippethor]

Does MMT come as custom option on some of the new iron launched this year? (especially mmt 125S)

[karstens_ghost]

Apex pro, I think.

[KingTitus]

6 hours ago, bladehunter said:

I use the “W” wedge shaft 125Tx from pw to lob.      Long story but when I ordered the set many moons ago.  They were out of pw shafts.  But. The guy had one W shaft.  So I took it. Well I loved it. At the time I had Fuji mci in my wedges. Loved them. But. I kept coming back to my pw as my favorite club.  Has a nice crisp feeling at impact.   So when I swapped wedges I went to the 125 Tx W shafts in the gap , sand and lob.  And it immediately made my wedge game feel better.  It’s the crisp feeling through  impact that I like.    
 

All that being said I’m not certain that the W wedge shaft is different than the iron shafts.  I haven’t hit the regular pw shaft.  I could just be that the heavier wedge heads make for a nice feeling at impact ?  Im not sure.  

I have the set PW shaft and then the scoring wedges in my 50/54/58. Scoring wedges are about 5 grams heavier but very much the same feel. Loving them so far. 

[bladehunter]

30 minutes ago, GMcKelvie said:

I have the set PW shaft and then the scoring wedges in my 50/54/58. Scoring wedges are about 5 grams heavier but very much the same feel. Loving them so far. 

Thanks for that info.  I didn’t know that.  Makes complete sense . I like a heavy swingweight.  I have lead tape on my 4/6 irons.  Quite a bit actually.    But I also have midsize grips which counter balance some of that to begin  with.  

Edited February 12, 2022 by bladehunter

[KingTitus]

5 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Thanks for that info.  I didn’t know that.  Makes complete sense . I like a heavy swingweight.  I have lead tape on my 4/6 irons.  Quite a bit actually.    But I also have midsize grips which counter balance some of that to behind with.  

My miuras are heavy so I get the love of a higher swing weight. I play mine at D5-D6

[bladehunter]

8 minutes ago, GMcKelvie said:

My miuras are heavy so I get the love of a higher swing weight. I play mine at D5-D6

Yep pretty much same here. The t100 heads are a little light on the long irons. I have 6g worth of high density tape on the 4 iron.  4g on the 5 and 4g on the 6 iron to get them to D5.  

[enickma]

Hey guys.  Intrigued by these shafts.  I'm 53, but can still put the ball out there on most days where my body allows. 115+, 8 iron goes 165ish. Those days are becoming harder to count on though. I haven't been able to hit off mats for years.  I used to play X100's, but it was getting too much on my elbow and wrists.  I switched to PXI 6.5 about 10 years ago, and those really helped alleviate the soreness, but not enough to hit off mats. I'm a downstriker, not a picker. I've read where many of you can hit off mats again using these shafts. That would be gold for me to be able to practice my irons again. There used to be 3 grass ranges around me in Long Beach, but not anymore because of the Rona, so the only iron practice I get is on the course playing, or sometimes jumping around to empty holes. Not ideal. My current shafts weigh 117g. I have a more aggressive swing, and a late release. I'm 6'5, and play 1/2" longer in length. I should play longer, but am used to this length I guess, and don't want to add even more sw to my Xforged heads. Would you guys recommend me going 105tx since the weight is similar to my PXi's, or 125tx that I played for decades? Should I consider the heavier W shafts for my wedges as some of you have done, or will that create a different feel between the two?  Sooner or later I'm going to start slowing down, but it hasn't happened yet 😉  I don't want to bite off more than I can chew on the weight/stoutness. I normally go after every swing, so I don't think the 125 weight would bother me a bit, but maybe the 105tx would be great if I can get the same distance without going Mach 5 .. Mach 4 would do, especially if I start to slow down from the inevitable slow decline whenever that happens. I hit my friends shafts that are 125-130 in weight and they feel fine. I switched shafts not for weight, but because they weren't so harsh. I now sometimes get tired/sore at the end of the round, and as crazy as this sounds, practicing little chips irritates my joints more than anything. If nothing else, if that vibration irritation could be eliminated, I'd buy these for that. My current sw is I think around D2 because I use midsize +4 grips. I know nothing about build weights, soft/hard stepping, or magic pixie dust. I'd kinda like to plug and play these in. I'm a decent athlete, and if these are as smooth as you guys say, whatever learning curve from a small change in weight or feel will be no worries. Thoughts/Suggestions gladly welcomed.  Thanks

[phizzy30]

Just now, enickma said:

Hey guys.  Intrigued by these shafts.  I'm 53, but can still put the ball out there on most days where my body allows. 115+, 8 iron goes 165ish. Those days are becoming harder to count on though. I haven't been able to hit off mats for years.  I used to play X100's, but it was getting too much on my elbow and wrists.  I switched to PXI 6.5 about 10 years ago, and those really helped alleviate the soreness, but not enough to hit off mats. I'm a downstriker, not a picker. I've read where many of you can hit off mats again using these shafts. That would be gold for me to be able to practice my irons again. There used to be 3 grass ranges around me in Long Beach, but not anymore because of the Rona, so the only iron practice I get is on the course playing, or sometimes jumping around to empty holes. Not ideal. My current shafts weigh 117g. I have a more aggressive swing, and a late release. I'm 6'5, and play 1/2" longer in length. I should play longer, but am used to this length I guess, and don't want to add even more sw to my Xforged heads. Would you guys recommend me going 105tx since the weight is similar to my PXi's, or 125tx that I played for decades? Should I consider the heavier W shafts for my wedges as some of you have done, or will that create a different feel between the two?  Sooner or later I'm going to start slowing down, but it hasn't happened yet 😉  I don't want to bite off more than I can chew on the weight/stoutness. I normally go after every swing, so I don't think the 125 weight would bother me a bit, but maybe the 105tx would be great if I can get the same distance without going Mach 5 .. Mach 4 would do, especially if I start to slow down from the inevitable slow decline whenever that happens. I hit my friends shafts that are 125-130 in weight and they feel fine. I switched shafts not for weight, but because they weren't so harsh. I now sometimes get tired/sore at the end of the round, and as crazy as this sounds, practicing little chips irritates my joints more than anything. If nothing else, if that vibration irritation could be eliminated, I'd buy these for that. My current sw is I think around D2 because I use midsize +4 grips. I know nothing about build weights, soft/hard stepping, or magic pixie dust. I'd kinda like to plug and play these in. I'm a decent athlete, and if these are as smooth as you guys say, whatever learning curve from a small change in weight or feel will be no worries. Thoughts/Suggestions gladly welcomed.  Thanks

I'm at 118 with very aggressive transition with late release as well.  If you like the weight of the PXI, then go with the 105TX.  Personally, I went for the 125TX because I've always played heavier shafts(X100, KBS Tour 130X, C-Taper 125 S+, Recoil Proto 125 F5)and lighter shafts don't feel right to me.  My brother has the 105S and I've tested the TX version and they are both outstanding.  I tend to go after it with my irons and the 125TX helps me slow down my tempo a bit as well. 

[ericft]

1 hour ago, enickma said:

Hey guys.  Intrigued by these shafts.  I'm 53, but can still put the ball out there on most days where my body allows. 115+, 8 iron goes 165ish. Those days are becoming harder to count on though. I haven't been able to hit off mats for years.  I used to play X100's, but it was getting too much on my elbow and wrists.  I switched to PXI 6.5 about 10 years ago, and those really helped alleviate the soreness, but not enough to hit off mats. I'm a downstriker, not a picker. I've read where many of you can hit off mats again using these shafts. That would be gold for me to be able to practice my irons again. There used to be 3 grass ranges around me in Long Beach, but not anymore because of the Rona, so the only iron practice I get is on the course playing, or sometimes jumping around to empty holes. Not ideal. My current shafts weigh 117g. I have a more aggressive swing, and a late release. I'm 6'5, and play 1/2" longer in length. I should play longer, but am used to this length I guess, and don't want to add even more sw to my Xforged heads. Would you guys recommend me going 105tx since the weight is similar to my PXi's, or 125tx that I played for decades? Should I consider the heavier W shafts for my wedges as some of you have done, or will that create a different feel between the two?  Sooner or later I'm going to start slowing down, but it hasn't happened yet 😉  I don't want to bite off more than I can chew on the weight/stoutness. I normally go after every swing, so I don't think the 125 weight would bother me a bit, but maybe the 105tx would be great if I can get the same distance without going Mach 5 .. Mach 4 would do, especially if I start to slow down from the inevitable slow decline whenever that happens. I hit my friends shafts that are 125-130 in weight and they feel fine. I switched shafts not for weight, but because they weren't so harsh. I now sometimes get tired/sore at the end of the round, and as crazy as this sounds, practicing little chips irritates my joints more than anything. If nothing else, if that vibration irritation could be eliminated, I'd buy these for that. My current sw is I think around D2 because I use midsize +4 grips. I know nothing about build weights, soft/hard stepping, or magic pixie dust. I'd kinda like to plug and play these in. I'm a decent athlete, and if these are as smooth as you guys say, whatever learning curve from a small change in weight or feel will be no worries. Thoughts/Suggestions gladly welcomed.  Thanks

One thing I would be mindful is that mmt swingweights much heavier at longer length so might factor that in your decisions of 125 tx vs 105tx. 

[enickma]

21 hours ago, phizzy30 said:

I'm at 118 with very aggressive transition with late release as well.  If you like the weight of the PXI, then go with the 105TX.  Personally, I went for the 125TX because I've always played heavier shafts(X100, KBS Tour 130X, C-Taper 125 S+, Recoil Proto 125 F5)and lighter shafts don't feel right to me.  My brother has the 105S and I've tested the TX version and they are both outstanding.  I tend to go after it with my irons and the 125TX helps me slow down my tempo a bit as well. 

I guess I'm used to the weight of the pxi, not so much I prefer it .. I haven't thought about it in a long time, but they were smoother and easier to swing than the X100's. Other than weight, the 105 and 125 seem pretty similar torque wise. I'd be going down 4 grams for the 105, and up 8 grams for the 125. I could tip the 105tx to make it a touch stiffer, while keeping the sw more manageable over the 125 since I'm extending them?  Maybe I need to drive to Newport and get a fitting at Club Champion since I'm sure they'll have these, but after a friend's waste of money there with an inept fitter, I'd rather not. If these allow me to hit irons off mats again, and chip without all the joint discomfort, I'm game.  If they don't, it would kinda be a waste of money.  Thanks for the responses 

19 hours ago, ericft said:

One thing I would be mindful is that mmt swingweights much heavier at longer length so might factor that in your decisions of 125 tx vs 105tx. 

Not sure why mmt would swingweight much heavier extended than steel? Any idea why, and by how much?  I do use midsize+4 grips which counteracts the sw some, but the static weight is still there.

 

[ericft]

4 hours ago, enickma said:

 

Not sure why mmt would swingweight much heavier extended than steel? Any idea why, and by how much?  I do use midsize+4 grips which counteracts the sw some, but the static weight is still there.

 

This is something that other folks have seen as well if you go back a few posts/pages folks are getting d5-d7 swingweights. I got similar with just 0.5 in long. MMT is designed to swingweight like steel with weight closer to tip but I think it might be over done. 

[phizzy30]

8 hours ago, enickma said:

I guess I'm used to the weight of the pxi, not so much I prefer it .. I haven't thought about it in a long time, but they were smoother and easier to swing than the X100's. Other than weight, the 105 and 125 seem pretty similar torque wise. I'd be going down 4 grams for the 105, and up 8 grams for the 125. I could tip the 105tx to make it a touch stiffer, while keeping the sw more manageable over the 125 since I'm extending them?  Maybe I need to drive to Newport and get a fitting at Club Champion since I'm sure they'll have these, but after a friend's waste of money there with an inept fitter, I'd rather not. If these allow me to hit irons off mats again, and chip without all the joint discomfort, I'm game.  If they don't, it would kinda be a waste of money.  Thanks for the responses 

Not sure why mmt would swingweight much heavier extended than steel? Any idea why, and by how much?  I do use midsize+4 grips which counteracts the sw some, but the static weight is still there.

 

I'm sure you will be able to practice and play more with the MMT.  The last set of irons I had with steel shafts was the c-tapers and I could only play once and week and hit a couple small buckets on a weekly basis.  My extensive injuries to my wrist and hands and the residual pain that I still have didn't allow me to hit any more balls.  I can play up to 3 rounds a week and hit up to 2 large buckets each range session if I really wanted to.  These are a godsend.  I'm not sure why the MMT sw out heavier. 

Edited February 14, 2022 by phizzy30

[KingTitus]

On 2/13/2022 at 2:30 AM, enickma said:

Hey guys.  Intrigued by these shafts.  I'm 53, but can still put the ball out there on most days where my body allows. 115+, 8 iron goes 165ish. Those days are becoming harder to count on though. I haven't been able to hit off mats for years.  I used to play X100's, but it was getting too much on my elbow and wrists.  I switched to PXI 6.5 about 10 years ago, and those really helped alleviate the soreness, but not enough to hit off mats. I'm a downstriker, not a picker. I've read where many of you can hit off mats again using these shafts. That would be gold for me to be able to practice my irons again. There used to be 3 grass ranges around me in Long Beach, but not anymore because of the Rona, so the only iron practice I get is on the course playing, or sometimes jumping around to empty holes. Not ideal. My current shafts weigh 117g. I have a more aggressive swing, and a late release. I'm 6'5, and play 1/2" longer in length. I should play longer, but am used to this length I guess, and don't want to add even more sw to my Xforged heads. Would you guys recommend me going 105tx since the weight is similar to my PXi's, or 125tx that I played for decades? Should I consider the heavier W shafts for my wedges as some of you have done, or will that create a different feel between the two?  Sooner or later I'm going to start slowing down, but it hasn't happened yet 😉  I don't want to bite off more than I can chew on the weight/stoutness. I normally go after every swing, so I don't think the 125 weight would bother me a bit, but maybe the 105tx would be great if I can get the same distance without going Mach 5 .. Mach 4 would do, especially if I start to slow down from the inevitable slow decline whenever that happens. I hit my friends shafts that are 125-130 in weight and they feel fine. I switched shafts not for weight, but because they weren't so harsh. I now sometimes get tired/sore at the end of the round, and as crazy as this sounds, practicing little chips irritates my joints more than anything. If nothing else, if that vibration irritation could be eliminated, I'd buy these for that. My current sw is I think around D2 because I use midsize +4 grips. I know nothing about build weights, soft/hard stepping, or magic pixie dust. I'd kinda like to plug and play these in. I'm a decent athlete, and if these are as smooth as you guys say, whatever learning curve from a small change in weight or feel will be no worries. Thoughts/Suggestions gladly welcomed.  Thanks

 

Been gaming the 125 TX for a week now and have hit off my mat at home every single day. Pain my my hands, wrists and elbows is completely gone. Came from DG X7's and before that PX 6.5. Driver swing speed can get over 130mph but cruise around 125. Absolutely zero issues with these shafts so far. Played my first round with them on Saturday in about 20mph winds and hit some pretty fantastic shots. Had a few errant shots but that was me just over swinging and losing my tempo. 

 

Have the wedge shafts in the 125TX as well and are absolutely loving them so far. 

 

If your goal is practice more, I'd recommend going down this path....quickly!