** OFFICIAL REVIEW: MITSUBISHI MMT Iron Shafts ***** FINAL REVIEW Post #2 is UP

[PapaJohick]

> @dxdgenert said:

> I’ll keep beating the dead horse but for those not looking for the heft of 120g+ shafts, the lighter weights have all of the same qualities that @J13 describes in a lighter package.

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> My 80g+ (I think they’re closer to 86g?) shafts are very stable with planets of feel. Flight is high but not ballooning. I do find them to spin more and launch a bit higher than DG S300 but not substantially so. The vibration dampening is night and day different vs DG’s. Mishits, especially those thin ones, still have feedback but without the jarring sting.

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> I’ll leave this thread to the “heavy hitters” but dink and dunkers should check these out, as well!

 

Im like you as I like the lighter weight. Not sure about 80ish grams, but Something in the 100-110 I would love.

[PreppySlapCut]

> @QuigleyDU said:

> > @J13 said:

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> > > > > @Wardonation said:

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> > > > > > > > @J13 said:

> > > > > > > > Heads up - Did the Golfwrx TG2 podcast this morning to discuss the test so I'll drop a message when it goes live.

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> > > > > > > > A detailed review will be up over the weekend or early next week!

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> > > > > > > You did?! Well tomorrow at 8am ET that episode goes live on pretty much every podcast platform! Had a blast talking about these shafts with @J13 and want to thank him again for taking the time hang out and chat!

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> > > > > > Awesome. This thread has pretty perfect timing. Bryson switching to graphite. I just switched. Very curious how these get along.

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> > > > > DU what did you switch too?

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> > > > I have been playing aldila rip slt tour 115 shafts in x flex. They are the stiffest iron shafts I have ever tried and are super low torque at 1*.

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> > > So far I am enjoying them. Getting a flatter flight and very tight dispersion. Still good height and spin numbers. They do not feel super light, even though I have not weighed them. So far I am enjoying them. Not to thread jack. I just think it is interesting. I would love to try these shafts as well. I think I am a graphite iron shaft convert.

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> > Not at all i appreciate you sharing the feedback. I've actually hit the RIP tour 115 (years ago). Very tight shaft. The MMT's are much more active feeling where you don't feel like you have to swing hard for a normal stock shot if that makes sense. I'd be interested to hear your comparison if you test them out.

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> I do feel that you loose some feel in touch shots. I am a fan of a shaft that has a little action to it as long as the flight stays down.

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> That’s why I love the ventus. Super stiff tip so the ball stays down and spin stays low, but you can feel it load.

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> I would love to here more about your game. What is your typical ball flight, you yardage breaks and gaps, how you describe your style of play. Etc.

 

I play the RIP 115s in reg. 90mph 6i swing. The EI profile is nearly identical to the C-Taper Stiff which is my go to in steel.

[hayzooos]

J, seriously, RELEASE THE REVIEW. Get on with it already

 

**HUGS**

[BigtimePolecat]

Had to confirm my email so resulted in this double post/ please ignore

[BigtimePolecat]

I currently play Adams CB2s with KBS Tour 90 shafts, have been thinking of getting fitted for some new irons and seeing this, would be interested in how the 90g MMT's compare to the KBS

[Z1ggy16]

I'm about to throw a fit if I Can't read this review soon lol.

 

I'm also hoping the guys at TXG do a review, although I do think many actual rounds of golf still trumps launch monitor data. My swing sounds very similar to OP's and my distances are maybe just 5-8 yards behind, so I wonder if this shaft could be for me. Other than maybe less vibrations, could these somehow provide better dispersion over steel?

[Philomathesq]

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> I'm about to throw a fit if I Can't read this review soon lol.

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> I'm also hoping the guys at TXG do a review, although I do think many actual rounds of golf still trumps launch monitor data. My swing sounds very similar to OP's and my distances are maybe just 5-8 yards behind, so I wonder if this shaft could be for me. Other than maybe less vibrations, **could these somehow provide better dispersion over steel?**

 

If you listen to the podcast you'll get this answer and much more.

[QuigleyDU]

> @Philomathesq said:

> > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > I'm about to throw a fit if I Can't read this review soon lol.

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> > I'm also hoping the guys at TXG do a review, although I do think many actual rounds of golf still trumps launch monitor data. My swing sounds very similar to OP's and my distances are maybe just 5-8 yards behind, so I wonder if this shaft could be for me. Other than maybe less vibrations, **could these somehow provide better dispersion over steel?**

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> If you listen to the podcast you'll get this answer and much more.

 

The simple answer is yes. Think about it?? Many are putting $3-400 shafts in their drivers. Why? Because it provides better dispersion and distance than steel. Irons shafts are no different. Graphite really is better than steel in every way. It is cleaner, more accurate and has higher tolarancws due to layering and that ability to layer how you want.

 

That was one of the big take aways I had after going to the fuji plant. Graphite is simply better. Of course for many reasons they are pushing graphite iron shafts. One reason I am sure is that you are buying around 8 of them. But, I think they also see a huge fitting and playing benefit to graphite.

[dxdgenert]

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> I'm about to throw a fit if I Can't read this review soon lol.

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> I'm also hoping the guys at TXG do a review, although I do think many actual rounds of golf still trumps launch monitor data. My swing sounds very similar to OP's and my distances are maybe just 5-8 yards behind, so I wonder if this shaft could be for me. Other than maybe less vibrations, could these somehow provide better dispersion over steel?

 

For me, yes. It is very important to note that I didn’t have an apples to apples compassion. I was going from forged player’s cavities to the 0211 but the dispersion was supremely better with the MMT.

[Deuce78]

It would be great if you tested these against something. I have been playing the steelfiber 125x for a few years in my irons, which is honestly the only legitimate played amateur and tour graphite iron shaft. Recoils are close, some may argue they are better, but honestly not a lot of tour players using steelfiber or recoil. I am in process of building up a steel set of irons and am down to the modus 120TX and DGS400. But now it seems I will have to throw these in the mix...haha.

[Z1ggy16]

Listened to most of pod cast... very cool. Would love to hear reviews of these vs Oban CT 125.

[J13]

Due to demand and harassment from fellow wrx'ers I will be dropping the review tonight in approximately 30 minutes aka after I get my kids to bed :smiley: Stay tuned

[J13]

FINAL REVIEW is up in Post #2 (one of the place holders on first page). Enjoy and if there's anything i missed please ask.

[Z1ggy16]

Excellent write up J13!! You did an OUTSTANDING job, it was very thorough. Here's my questions, and you may not even have the answers, and you aren't responsible to know this, it's for anybody to answer:

 

1) How much per shaft? I didn't see prices on MCA website yet but I assume they will be around the price of the Oban CT's which are like $75 each.

2) For guys who use X shafts but maybe don't step on it like you do... do you think soft stepping the 125TX would be a good option? Looks like they offer 3-PW?

3) Would these make good wedge shafts? I'm really interested in the dispersion aspect and keeping it as tight as possible from 125 and in. I currently use modus 120TX in my wedges, so this might work nicely.

[Philomathesq]

> @J13 said:

> **Final review**

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> ** Mitsubishi MMT shafts (125TX)**

> Refresher:

> HCP : I range from +1.9 to 0 this year

> Driver SS : 115’ish on course.

> 6 iron SS: 93-94mph

> Swing Type : Think Tony Finau or John Rahm in terms of swing length and aggressive transition.

> EQUIPMENT BEING REVIEWED

> Mitsubishi MMT 125TX in Srixon 745 irons (SW D4)

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> Modus 120TX in Srixon 745 irons (SW D4)

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> **I set out to answer two main questions:**

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> 1. Can the Mitsubishi MMT’s replace my trusty steel shafts?

> 2. Will these shafts take the stress off my joints, particularly my elbows and wrists?

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> Lets start with question #2 – The short answer is yes, they absolutely make a difference in the vibration dampening department. I’ve read for years how graphite helped numerous players reduce stress on the joints and gain distance. Two things I wasn’t really interested in until my own body started to break down due to the years of sports and physical activity. Now don’t get me wrong, I like distance like everybody else but with irons I’m used to hitting my 7 iron 175yds and don’t really want that to change. I’ve gotten comfortable with my setup, especially wedges, so the last thing I want to do is go back to square one with my bag makeup.

> So let’s get to my thoughts in each area and then I’ll answer question #1 which is the BIG ONE.

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> **Performance Categories breakdown**

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> **Distance**- MMT wins this one

> This was a category I didn’t want to see much change. As I said I’m comfortable with my gapping, so I was happy to see that distance is almost identical UNLESS I tried to really step on one. When I tried to really lean into one with my Modus shafts, I feel like I added a lot more spin and didn’t gain distance. Basically, the spin kind of negated the intended result of increase ball speed. With the MMT’s I actually gained about a half club as the spin and flight didn’t change. This was GREAT to see and will help when I’m trying to hit to a back pin. For that reason alone, I’m giving the MMT’s the edge.

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> **Feel**- MMT wins BIG

> What can I say, the feel is amazing. SOOOO much softer than my Modus (and I enjoy the modus). The best way to describe it is the forging almost feels softer. Mishits do as well but you still get the feedback that you didn’t center it. But when you flush a shot, wow. The MMT’s feel more active than steel but they never get lost in the swing. I LOVE that I can go as hard as I can and the MMT’s don’t skip a beat. Some graphite shafts (irons and woods) feel like if you kick it into high gear the shaft can lag and throw feel off completely. MMT’s do NOT have this problem.

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> **Flight** – Tie

> This was a category where I wanted the same performance as my Modus. Modus are outstanding steel shafts and I love that I can flight the ball with zero issues. MMT follow suit and allow me to play any shot I want depending on conditions. I also tested these in the wind and again no complaints. They check this box so moving on.

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> **Spin** - MMT wins again

> This is all based on what I’m seeing on a real course hitting into firm greens that are currently running around 11. My club is in peak condition (fall weather) so there is no better time to test irons than now. After multiple rounds and practice sessions (on range and course) I am confident to say these are spinning about the same as my Modus which means, 7 iron -6100-6300 (last time I was on trackman). I probably hit 200 shots into greens with the various irons and almost every single shot was the same distance from it’s ball mark. The reason I give MMT the win in this category is for the reason I stated in distance. When I lean into one (which I almost didn’t even test) I noticed an immediate improvement in distance over my Modus. I know for a fact that the Modus will start to over spin but the MMT stays consistent and accomplishes the intended task of squeezing out another half club. I saw it shot after shot, the MMT is almost exactly a half club longer. Love this as it opens up new shots to me on the course.

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> **Flex** – Tie

> These are true to flex. I’ve tried other 120g+ graphite options and these are maybe the first ones where flex is accurate (IMO). Recoil 125 Proto X were rebar for me, and I was spinning a 7 iron at like 68 rpms. As I said in the podcast, I tend to be on the lower side for spin so I can’t afford really low spin iron shafts. For some that might be what’s needed but for me not so much. So, if you play a DGX100 then get the MMT 125TX. If you play S300 then check out the 105 S. Hopefully they end up making a 120-125 Stiff option. I think if reasonably priced or offered through OEM’s as an upcharge shaft it would be a hit.

> Vibration management – MMT’s by a mile

> So, I added this category because it was obviously important to me. Needless to say, the difference is night and day between graphite and steel. The drastic reduction is immediately noticeable and over time you can clearly see how this will help prevent and limit the stress to the joints. The cumulative effect from what others told me is exciting. Even on center strikes there is a noticeable improvement over the Modus shafts. Of course, the biggest difference is on mishits, especially thinned shots. You don’t get that stinging vibration that travels into the hands. This makes them a joy to hit and even miss with haha.

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> **Dispersion** - MMT surprisingly wins

> This is the category where I thought I would have to make some compromises. From everything I heard about graphite, dispersion was never a highlight. I usually heard things like “they feel good on the body and distance is great but dispersion isn’t as tight as the steel shafts I was playing.” To be honest I was willing to sacrifice a little to get the joint relief but had my fingers crossed it would be minimal. With that said I was BLOWN away by the results. I was actually seeing consistently tighter dispersion patterns on the course and practice sessions. And it wasn’t just me. A fellow WRX’er and one of the pro’s at my club hit them and said the exact same thing. Both were just as surprised as I was. Bottom line – I went from praying they would be close in performance to actually being an improvement. Consider that box CHECKED

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> **So…. Question #1 - Can and will the Mitsubishi MMT’s replace my Modus (steel) shafts ?**

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> **I’ll put it this way, I’m not saying steel is dead but it’s on serious life support. ** The MMT’s are in the bag. In fact, they would be in the bag even if I didn’t have joint issues. I went from being frustrated about having to possibly switch to graphite to being excited about a new chapter in my bag’s progression. I can honestly say they are a game changer for me. Not because I think I’m all of a sudden going to shoot 65 every round but because I can continue to play a game I love and not have to worry about excessive pain and long term impact on my body. So, if that’s not a game changer I don’t know what it is.

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> Note: When I get new wedges in March I will be dropping a follow up review on the MMT shafts in my 50, 54, and 60* wedges.

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> Also for anyone that missed it. I discussed the MMT's on TG2 podcast

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> [https://soundcloud.com/golfwrx/tg2-graphite-iron-shafts-for-better-players-with-forum-member-j13](https://soundcloud.com/golfwrx/tg2-graphite-iron-shafts-for-better-players-with-forum-member-j13 "https://soundcloud.com/golfwrx/tg2-graphite-iron-shafts-for-better-players-with-forum-member-j13")

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Excellent review. Thank you for taking the time to do this for all of us. I had been thinking about graphite before you created this thread, but your podcast interview and this review have cemented my decision; the worst thing that can happen is they don't work for me and I resell them. I currently play the DG TI X100's and swing about nearly the exact same 6 iron and driver speeds as you. And while I don't have any elbow issues (yet), I do have arthritis in my wrist as a result of an IED strike many moons ago. Sometimes, my wrist ceases up so badly that I can't even grip a club, and it can happen during the middle of a round if I thing a shot and get that vibration going through my hand. These seem like they could be a huge help.

 

One question: Do you have any insight into how to acquire these? I went to the MMT website and I've called all the shops in my area but they either have no idea what I'm talking about or tell me they can't get any.

[Cruisin1966]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts/experience @J13 I'm sorry you felt pressure to give your review earlier than planned, although I am happy you did.

 

Like @Z1ggy16, I'm curious if soft-stepping these will give us mere mortals ;-) an opportunity to play the 125's vs. the 105's

[mBiden2]

Justin, Amazing write up! I also have been playing the modus 120s for the past 2 years and really loved them. I’ve really been thinking about switching to graphite because of shoulder issues that I have from playing junior hockey. I’d love to try these after reading your write up. I wonder if anyone in Atlanta has them yet or where I could order one to test out.

 

Also, your episode with Brian and Rob was great too!

[PapaJohick]

Great write up. Very cool to see graphite iron shafts getting a serious look from a stronger player.

 

 

[Golfingfanatic]

Great write-up!

[Wardonation]

OK I ordered these but I am going to SSx2 after speaking with someone at Mitsubishi. I normally play a S300... I will be putting these into my t100's and will let people know what I think...

[jas904]

Thanks for this review and podcast, I enjoyed it. As you can see by my sig I’m all graphite, three shoulder surgeries and massive tendinitis in my elbow. I would like to see more options in heavier weight stiff flex in the future, especially those that don’t create swingweight issues. I believe that graphite will be more common than steel one day.

[racmbs]

 

> @Wardonation said:

> OK I ordered these but I am going to SSx2 after speaking with someone at Mitsubishi. I normally play a S300... I will be putting these into my t100's and will let people know what I think...

 

What did they advise when you spoke with them? Have been following this thread closely as I have same issues as OP, along with shoulder problem. Currently gaming Modus 120x in irons and want to make a switch, but like others have said I have tried Modus 105x and did not like the weight profile. I prefer a heavier shaft and am wondering if soft stepping the 125TX is also the way to go.

 

[ThunderBuzzworth]

Alright, where can I review a set?

[mBiden2]

> @Wardonation said:

> OK I ordered these but I am going to SSx2 after speaking with someone at Mitsubishi. I normally play a S300... I will be putting these into my t100's and will let people know what I think...

 

Where did you order them from? And what did you pay?

[Deuce78]

Great review Bud. I will be trying these for sure. One thing to note for those trying to gauge on how to order based off your review. Some people feel like graphite plays weak to flex of steel, some feel it plays firm to flex. Some people need more or less trajectory. I am a player that needs less. I have the same speed as J13 and I would plan to hardstep my MMTs for that reason. Yall need to factor in your tendencies and the testers if ordering blind without demoing...

[GC70]

Wow! That was a great read. Well done J. I cannot wait to hear about the wedges.

[J13]

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> Excellent write up J13!! You did an OUTSTANDING job, it was very thorough. Here's my questions, and you may not even have the answers, and you aren't responsible to know this, it's for anybody to answer:

>

> 1) How much per shaft? I didn't see prices on MCA website yet but I assume they will be around the price of the Oban CT's which are like $75 each.

> 2) For guys who use X shafts but maybe don't step on it like you do... do you think soft stepping the 125TX would be a good option? Looks like they offer 3-PW?

> 3) Would these make good wedge shafts? I'm really interested in the dispersion aspect and keeping it as tight as possible from 125 and in. I currently use modus 120TX in my wedges, so this might work nicely.

 

Appreciate the feedback !

 

Your questions

1. I believe retail is around $90

2. Yes 100%

3. I think they will be stellar wedge shafts and I have them in hand. Im going to do a seperate review in the spring as I'm getting new wedges.

[J13]

FYI : Played 18 today and I can honestly say it was a joy to hit iron shots. You obviously still have to make a good swing, but it's nice to not have the stinging vibration when you don't make one.

 

 

 

 

@Philomathesq - thank you for the kind words and I know Club Champion has them so you can always order through them. Or Call Mitsubishi

 

@Cruisin - It's all good haha. I couldn't keep it to myself any longer so it felt good to get the word out and follow up the podcast.

 

@mBiden2 - THanks brotha. If you have those issues it's a no brainer. Sacrifice nothing and take stress off the joints. Win /Win

 

@PapaJohick & @Golfingfanatic - Thank you both for reading and the kind words and I agree on it being about time. I'm just glad we are getting to a point where graphite is a viable option for guys who play an X100 type shaft.

 

@Wardonation - Giddyup!

 

@jas904 Agree and you are ahead of the curve. They are finally getting really good at "heavy" graphite iron shafts. Like i said, STeel isn't dead but it's on serious life support.

 

@ThunderBuzzworth They don't make a 125TXX haha ; - )

 

@Deuce78 - Thanks bud and you bring up a good point about fitting. This is why I described the type of swing i have and also let people know they can check my Instagram for swing video's.

 

@GC70 - THanks brotha and I CAN"T WAIT to get these in new wedges. I would have installed them already if my wedges were on their death bed.

 

 

[SMUGamer]

Great review J! Thanks for the time invested.

 

Interestingly, I bought the Mitsu OT Tour Graphite Iron shafts when they came out to put in my Srixon 745's. They perform very well and I use them as a backup to my 785's with TI X100's. I wonder what the difference is between MMT, OT, and Thumps? That would be an interesting test!

 

[J13]

> @SMUGamer said:

> Great review J! Thanks for the time invested.

>

> Interestingly, I bought the Mitsu OT Tour Graphite Iron shafts when they came out to put in my Srixon 745's. They perform very well and I use them as a backup to my 785's with TI X100's. I wonder what the difference is between MMT, OT, and Thumps? That would be an interesting test!

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My guess is the incorporation of their new MMT tech which pushes the weight lower into the shaft creating the balance of steel. But i agree it would be cool to test.

 

 

 

**Addition **: Didn't mention it in my review but after playing yesterday I noticed how much better i'm hitting long irons. They are flying a little higher and noticeably tighter in dispersion. Also easier to launch when the ball is sitting down which is nice.