Lowest Launching wedge heads?

[Deuce78]

I am wanting to know if other users have seen used or tested certain brand or line of wedges that were lower launching than others. Not talking shafts, but club head design. Thanks.

[rt_charger]

All bladed wedges will do that. If you really want to be fussy with it, choose any wedge that has that higher weight in the topline tech.

 

It's really much of a muchness - you chose wedges based on looks, feel, sole grind, bounce, etc, turf interaction, money, etc. Not by how much they spin or how high they launch; that's done through shaft selection and loft choice.

[rt_charger]

In addition to my comment, if you want lower launching wedges, stay away from large soled wedges or anything with cavities / GI technology - they are all designed to gain higher launch

[mootrail]

Everyone seems to be on the high CoG wagon these days and I think Callaway was one of the first with higher overall CoGs.

 

The high toe PM Grind and the HiToe have the instant advantage in pulling the CoG higher and more centered, you can start there.

[Ri_Redneck]

As mentioned above, clubhead designs with large soles are not what you're looking for. However, flighting wedge shots is done by technique, not head design. Just in case that's what you're really looking for.

 

BT

[Deuce78]

Thanks for the replys! I'm looking for the wedges that would match blades or P7TW's....

[DFS PFD]

SM7 when fresh launch pretty low with the right shaft for you. S400 Hard stepped fits my flight windows perfect. After about a month of use though, I lose that ultra low flight as the grooves wear and launch works it's way up marginally.

[Bomber_11]

46 degree played as a lob wedge will launch surprising low

[Z1ggy16]

I find my Hi Toe seems to come out launching lower in 58* than my 58* Glide 2.0 head does, with same shaft. I like this quite a bit for my shots from the fairway, but it seems to launch out of bunkers very low and from the rough, too.

[Pepperturbo]

Hitting a low-mid trajectory punch style shot with spin that sticks is predominately user-driven. It's about setup, how the club-head impacts the ball and type of follow-through. I can create a low or extremely low trajctory shot with any of my irons.

[DFS PFD]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> Hitting a low-mid trajectory punch style shot with spin that sticks is predominately user-driven. It's about setup, how the club-head impacts the ball and type of follow-through. I can create a low or extremely low trajctory shot with any of my irons.

 

Yes to an extent, we're talking wedges not irons. CG location matters, strike location (Gear effect) matters, as more loft is presented manipulating flight becomes more difficult in the lower direction, But yes, technique is one of the major if not the most major in this question. The question is focused on the club head and their different roles in flighting the shot, not the technique involved.

[scoop79]

> @"DFS PFD" said:

> SM7 when fresh launch pretty low with the right shaft for you. S400 Hard stepped fits my flight windows perfect. After about a month of use though, I lose that ultra low flight as the grooves wear and launch works it's way up marginally.

 

Just curious, how would you go about hard stepping a wedge shaft?

[DFS PFD]

> @scoop79 said:

> > @"DFS PFD" said:

> > SM7 when fresh launch pretty low with the right shaft for you. S400 Hard stepped fits my flight windows perfect. After about a month of use though, I lose that ultra low flight as the grooves wear and launch works it's way up marginally.

>

> Just curious, how would you go about hard stepping a wedge shaft?

 

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure, that's what my builder said he did. Now I really feel like a sucker, thanks lol.

[BostonWRX]

KBS 610 wedge shaft. Do it

[Deuce78]

> @Bomber_11 said:

> 46 degree played as a lob wedge will launch surprising low

 

Have you tried this? Lol. Slap in a dg spinner on the 46 maybe and a bunch of lead tape....

[Deuce78]

> @TrueWRX said:

> KBS 610 wedge shaft. Do it

 

I have some of these already, so its between the 610 and s400. However, I'd like to start with the head as I think my ping glide 2.0 launch too high compared to my iron PW (P7TW)... my 58 is locked in have about 6 TVD Ks that will last me 10 years. But my gap wedges I use for mostly full shots I want more inline with my irons. I believe my proximity to the hole will increase with a lower launch angle or peak height.

[Deuce78]

 

> > > @"DFS PFD" said:

> > > SM7 when fresh launch pretty low with the right shaft for you. S400 Hard stepped fits my flight windows perfect. After about a month of use though, I lose that ultra low flight as the grooves wear and launch works it's way up marginally.

> >

> > Just curious, how would you go about hard stepping a wedge shaft?

>

> Now that I think about it, I'm not sure, that's what my builder said he did. Now I really feel like a sucker, thanks lol.

 

You tip trim it 3/8".

[Deuce78]

Okay so for example I just read the md5 post and callaway claims the md5 launch one degree lower than md4.

 

Any consensus on the lower launching of the following options in a 52 degree?

Md5

TM milled grind

TM milled grind 2

Ping glide forged

Sm7 (says lower lofts launch higher and higher lofts launch lower?

[1Mordrid1]

Technique is king when trying to flight a wedge, but having a higher CG can "assist" in achieving that technique. The PM Grind 19 and the Taylormade HiToe achieve this well. The Mizuno S18 also has it in the higher lofted wedges.

[Deuce78]

One more anything on mizuno T20?

 

Also yes, not talking about technique, just head performance.

[b.helts]

I have a cobra king 58 and it’s a great wedge. Compact, nice shape, no problem launching it low.

 

I like it very much.

[ChipNRun]

Some OEMs promote idea of varying CoG within wedges. The SW and LW have higher CoG to lessen chance of ballooning shots.

 

Titleist first offered this with the SM6 model:

 

Cleveland RTX family has similar feature called Dual Axes, Progressive CG.

 

 

 

[Pepperturbo]

> @"DFS PFD" said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > Hitting a low-mid trajectory punch style shot with spin that sticks is predominately user-driven. It's about setup, how the club-head impacts the ball and type of follow-through. I can create a low or extremely low trajctory shot with any of my irons.

>

> Yes to an extent, we're talking wedges not irons. CG location matters, strike location (Gear effect) matters, as more loft is presented manipulating flight becomes more difficult in the lower direction, But yes, technique is one of the major if not the most major in this question. The question is focused on the club head and their different roles in flighting the shot, not the technique involved.

 

I am talking about wedges too, and don't believe contempory CAD wedge head design is that different from one to the next. I just included irons cause gear effects in play and technique is needed thorughout a set of irons to realize low trajectory shots.

 

The contempory sweet spot is approximatly the same size in blade wedges, and in relatively the same spot with Miura and Vokey and the other wedges I own, except Vokey CAD has taken a new path. In my old wedges, sweet spot was closer to the heal and much higher on the face and closer to the face surface vs. contempory design low towards the trailing edge which provides forgiveness, unlike like my old blades. Cleveland makes a few CB wedges where the sweet spot is much larger due to cavity back and positioned differently, yet loft and lie equal, almost the same number of grooves, similar width, depth, and head material, even face length are similar across different OEM wedges.

 

With all the Vokey Wedge Grinds the inside isn't that different from the next, grinds exist on the surface. Hitting a low LW or PW shot comes down to varying technique which IMO isn't all that different from one another. The ball rolls up the face the same, how high it goes falls back on technque. **No technique, loft and lie equal, the result will be similar from wedge to wedge. like Iron Bryon hitting each.**

 

Loft & lie being equal, though MacDaddy head weight and grooves are very different and face surface is different from Vokey's face, head-weight and grooves and my thirty year old worn lighter head-weight original Snake Eye wedges, their differneces are minimal. Take away grooves I can still spin the ball and control trajectory with all my different OEM wedges. The wedge game is my strongest and most enjoyable skill. Just my non-engineering 2cents.

[Deuce78]

So if I understand correctly, in a non cavity wedge, of same loft, I would not see any significant difference in launch angle between all the major brand heads on the market? For example a 52 wedge in the:

Md5

TM milled grind 2

VOKEY SM7

Mizuno T20

Ping glide forged

Would be all the same launch?

[DFS PFD]

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @"DFS PFD" said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > Hitting a low-mid trajectory punch style shot with spin that sticks is predominately user-driven. It's about setup, how the club-head impacts the ball and type of follow-through. I can create a low or extremely low trajctory shot with any of my irons.

> >

> > Yes to an extent, we're talking wedges not irons. CG location matters, strike location (Gear effect) matters, as more loft is presented manipulating flight becomes more difficult in the lower direction, But yes, technique is one of the major if not the most major in this question. The question is focused on the club head and their different roles in flighting the shot, not the technique involved.

>

> I am talking about wedges too, and don't believe contempory CAD wedge head design is that different from one to the next. I just included irons cause gear effects in play and technique is needed thorughout a set of irons to realize low trajectory shots.

>

> The contempory sweet spot is approximatly the same size in blade wedges, and in relatively the same spot with Miura and Vokey and the other wedges I own, except Vokey CAD has taken a new path. In my old wedges, sweet spot was closer to the heal and much higher on the face and closer to the face surface vs. contempory design low towards the trailing edge which provides forgiveness, unlike like my old blades. Cleveland makes a few CB wedges where the sweet spot is much larger due to cavity back and positioned differently, yet loft and lie equal, almost the same number of grooves, similar width, depth, and head material, even face length are similar across different OEM wedges.

>

> With all the Vokey Wedge Grinds the inside isn't that different from the next, grinds exist on the surface. Hitting a low LW or PW shot comes down to varying technique which IMO isn't all that different from one another. The ball rolls up the face the same, how high it goes falls back on technque. **No technique, loft and lie equal, the result will be similar from wedge to wedge. like Iron Bryon hitting each.**

>

> Loft & lie being equal, though MacDaddy head weight and grooves are very different and face surface is different from Vokey's face, head-weight and grooves and my thirty year old worn lighter head-weight original Snake Eye wedges, their differneces are minimal. Take away grooves I can still spin the ball and control trajectory with all my different OEM wedges. The wedge game is my strongest and most enjoyable skill. Just my non-engineering 2cents.

 

So you don't believe vertical COG has any effect on launch conditions? I assume that's what you're referring too with the CAD design aspect. I'm not arguing that point I'm just trying to understand your position because you then reference companies moving the sweet spot closer to the heel and from the horizontal CG?

 

With irons the process is much easier, choke up (stiffen the shaft), take more club (less static loft=lower launch), and swing easier ( less dynamic loft+ less shaft flex). With wedges you can do the same to an extent, but for me, anecdotally I can absolutely hit low spinners better with my SM7 or hi-toe than I can with an SM5 or Edel wedges. I personally believe that is because of the higher vertical COG, but I may be a victim of marketing induced placebo effect.

[DFS PFD]

> @Deuce78 said:

> So if I understand correctly, in a non cavity wedge, of same loft, I would not see any significant difference in launch angle between all the major brand heads on the market? For example a 52 wedge in the:

> Md5

> TM milled grind 2

> VOKEY SM7

> Mizuno T20

> Ping glide forged

> Would be all the same launch?

 

There will absolutely be a difference, some may be negligible, but there will be a difference.

[Deuce78]

That is the question I am asking and hope that I am not the only golfer that wants to know or has tested these somewhere. If anyone knows of a quality review of same loft wedge testing amongst brands that would be awesome. I mean I can try to hit these all on a mat at a golf store, but mats and wedges I think would produce different results over grass, but at least the turf would be the same to hit from indoors.

[Ri_Redneck]

One other thing I would like to add here. The ball makes a huge difference in flighting a wedge. Low spin distance type balls will almost always launch higher than a Urethane players ball. It's due to the increased friction between the clubface and ball, caused by the cover material. If the OP is using a distance ball, he can instantly lower launch by simply switching to a Urethane ball

 

BT

[Deuce78]

> @Ri_Redneck said:

> One other thing I would like to add here. The ball makes a huge difference in flighting a wedge. Low spin distance type balls will almost always launch higher than a Urethane players ball. It's due to the increased friction between the clubface and ball, caused by the cover material. If the OP is using a distance ball, he can instantly lower launch by simply switching to a Urethane ball

>

> BT

 

I play TP5x or prov1x, I dont want to stray from those two balls at the moment. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

I've heard the T20 is low launching and the md5 claims 1 degree lower than md4.

 

Do I really need to buy four gap wedges with the same shaft grip swingweight length etc and hit them on a trackman? There has to be someone better equipped than myself out there!

[Chuck905]

I’ve had success with the RTX4, it’s bladed and the S400 shaft makes a whirl of difference. No issues with trajectory or spin.

 

They replaced my T7s and Callys MDF.

 

Tried every wedge thus far and the RTX-4 has slightly edge out.