Ping G410 Adapter Settings Revisited

[mgoblue83]

Hi Everyone,

I was lucky enough to get a G410LST as a replacement for my cracked G400Max and I had a couple questions about the G410 adapter settings.

 

Ping says:

"Trajectory Tuning 2.0 in the G410 drivers utilizes a lightweight, aerodynamic hosel sleeve that provides eight positions for influencing ball flight through loft (±1.5°) and lie adjustments, including up to 3° flatter than standard."

 

 

 

1.) Is the flat setting exactly 3 degrees flat for each of those options? Or is it only 3 degrees flat for one of those options? Which one?

2.) How does the face angle change with each of these options? My understanding of adapter settings is that lofting down opens the face while lofting up closes the face (effectively). Is this still true for the G410?

3.) My miss is left and I want the driver to sit the most open at address and be flat. Is my best option the F-?

 

Thanks all!

Edited December 2, 2020 by mgoblue83

[Stuart_G]

1 hour ago, mgoblue83 said:

Hi Everyone,

I was lucky enough to get a G410LST as a replacement for my cracked G400Max and I had a couple questions about the G410 adapter settings.

 

Ping says:

"Trajectory Tuning 2.0 in the G410 drivers utilizes a lightweight, aerodynamic hosel sleeve that provides eight positions for influencing ball flight through loft (±1.5°) and lie adjustments, including up to 3° flatter than standard."

 

 

 

1.) Is the flat setting exactly 3 degrees flat for each of those options? Or is it only 3 degrees flat for one of those options? Which one?

2.) How does the face angle change with each of these options? My understanding of adapter settings is that lofting down opens the face while lofting up closes the face (effectively). Is this still true for the G410?

3.) My miss is left and I want the driver to sit the most open at address and be flat. Is my best option the F-?

 

Thanks all!

 

1.  No, not possible.  The flattest setting will be the 'F' setting and the most upright will be the 'O' setting.

2) Face angle changes 1.8* for each 1* of loft change.

3) Assuming you're right handed, the best option to try first will likely be the "F-" or maybe even the big '-' setting. The more open face angle tends to be much more effective at managing shot shape and direction than the lie angle.  But that's a generalization so don't hesitate to test and compare with other settings.

 

[mgoblue83]

5 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

 

1.  No, not possible.  The flattest setting will be the 'F' setting and the most upright will be the 'O' setting.

2) Face angle changes 1.8* for each 1* of loft change.

3) Assuming you're right handed, the best option to try first will likely be the "F-" or maybe even the big '-' setting. The more open face angle tends to be much more effective at managing shot shape and direction than the lie angle.  But that's a generalization so don't hesitate to test and compare with other settings.

 

Thank you!

To clarify my first question: Ping quotes as "up to 3 degrees flat" and I was asking if each of the 3 flat settings(F, F-, and F+) are exactly 3 degrees flat or are the graduated?

[dlygrisse]

1 hour ago, mgoblue83 said:

Hi Everyone,

I was lucky enough to get a G410LST as a replacement for my cracked G400Max and I had a couple questions about the G410 adapter settings.

 

Ping says:

"Trajectory Tuning 2.0 in the G410 drivers utilizes a lightweight, aerodynamic hosel sleeve that provides eight positions for influencing ball flight through loft (±1.5°) and lie adjustments, including up to 3° flatter than standard."

 

 

 

1.) Is the flat setting exactly 3 degrees flat for each of those options? Or is it only 3 degrees flat for one of those options? Which one?

2.) How does the face angle change with each of these options? My understanding of adapter settings is that lofting down opens the face while lofting up closes the face (effectively). Is this still true for the G410?

3.) My miss is left and I want the driver to sit the most open at address and be flat. Is my best option the F-?

 

Thanks all!

Here are the actual specs 

[mgoblue83]

1 minute ago, dlygrisse said:

Here are the actual specs 

Awesome, I haven't seen this chart before. Do you know anything about face angle changes with each setting?

[dlygrisse]

Just now, mgoblue83 said:

Awesome, I haven't seen this chart before. Do you know anything about face angle changes with each setting?

I'm not an expert here, just someone who likes to tinker.  But my assumption is the face angle changes approx the same amount the lift changes.  So if you lower the loft one degree the face will open approx. one degree.  

[Stuart_G]

19 minutes ago, mgoblue83 said:

Thank you!

To clarify my first question: Ping quotes as "up to 3 degrees flat" and I was asking if each of the 3 flat settings(F, F-, and F+) are exactly 3 degrees flat or are the graduated?

 I understood that.  That's what the 'No, not possible" was answering.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Stuart_G

[Stuart_G]

2 minutes ago, dlygrisse said:

I'm not an expert here, just someone who likes to tinker.  But my assumption is the face angle changes approx the same amount the lift changes.  So if you lower the loft one degree the face will open approx. one degree.  

 

No, it's more.  See my first response.  The relationship between loft change and face angle change is geometrically fixed.  It's the same for every adapter and head.  The only thing that's specific to the head is what the base face angle might be (face angle at the 0* loft settings).

Edited December 2, 2020 by Stuart_G

[dlygrisse]

2 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

 

No, it's more.  See my first response.  The relationship between loft and face angle is geometrically fixed.  It's the same for every adapter and head.

Got it.  I'm not sure how the math works there but when you lower the loft 1* it is for sure noticeably more open.  I have my driver set that way, and have tinkered with the FW's, but I think I prefer then standard.  I did have some success lowering the loft on the 5 wood for awhile and essentially making it a 4 wood and dropping the 3.  

[mgoblue83]

7 minutes ago, Stuart_G said:

 

No, it's more.  See my first response.  The relationship between loft change and face angle change is geometrically fixed.  It's the same for every adapter and head.  The only thing that's specific to the head is what the base face angle might be (face angle at the 0* loft settings).

So the F- position would be 8 degrees loft, 2 degrees flat (59.5 to 57.5) and 1.8 degrees open (from standard)?

Edited December 2, 2020 by mgoblue83

[Stuart_G]

41 minutes ago, mgoblue83 said:

So the F- position would be 8 degrees loft, 2 degrees flat (59.5 to 57.5) and 1.8 degrees open (from standard)?

 

Correct.  Well that is if you believe the charts.   Should be roughly correct but I've found that most of the companies round the numbers (both lofts and lies) up or down on these types of charts to make them look 'neater' so it might not be exact.

Edited December 2, 2020 by Stuart_G

[hit it in]

I'm a lefty. And I hit the ball left on my bad hits would moving the flat angle of the driver help that. And which setting would I use 

[animalgolfs]

17 hours ago, hit it in said:

I'm a lefty. And I hit the ball left on my bad hits would moving the flat angle of the driver help that. And which setting would I use 

Going flat = more left(for lefty)

 

Try the Big +

[Hacker9]

On 12/3/2020 at 7:14 AM, dlygrisse said:

Here are the actual specs 

Can someone help me interpret this?

 

Looking at the driver column, the flat settings have a lower numbers which I assume means they are more open. Both the “+” and “-“ settings also have lower numbers than the neutral “0” setting at 59.5. 
 

Conventional wisdom is that increasing loft closes the face and vice versa. 
 

I currently play a 9 degree turned up to 10. If I lower that back to the neutral 9 degree setting, does this chart suggest it’ll actually close the face a bit?

[Stuart_G]

9 minutes ago, Hacker9 said:

Can someone help me interpret this?

 

Looking at the driver column, the flat settings have a lower numbers which I assume means they are more open. Both the “+” and “-“ settings also have lower numbers than the neutral “0” setting at 59.5. 
 

Conventional wisdom is that increasing loft closes the face and vice versa.

 

Those numbers on the chart are lie angle.  An opening or closing of the face is about face angle.  Two completely different specs.

 

All heads will close 1.8* for every 1* of loft increase and open 1.8* for every 1* of loft decreased.   But that's relative to whatever the standard face angle might be.

 

[Hacker9]

Thanks. Do we know if lofting up or down costs you in MOI?

 

the fade/draw settings definitely do

[Stuart_G]

8 hours ago, Hacker9 said:

Thanks. Do we know if lofting up or down costs you in MOI?

 

the fade/draw settings definitely do

 

No, neither the loft or lie angle settings have any effect on the MOI of the head (although they might have a small effect on the MOI of the club if you're into MOI matching instead of swing weight).

 

Now, they certainly might effect your dispersion - but if they do, it's not because of head MOI changes.

 

[lawrencedc1]

On 4/30/2024 at 6:53 AM, Stuart_G said:

 

No, neither the loft or lie angle settings have any effect on the MOI of the head (although they might have a small effect on the MOI of the club if you're into MOI matching instead of swing weight).

 

Now, they certainly might effect your dispersion - but if they do, it's not because of head MOI changes.

 

Just found this thread!!   So in theory what would staying in neutral loft and just adjusting the lie angle down ... eg. ( F )  do to ball flight?

Edited August 21, 2024 by lawrencedc1

[Stuart_G]

10 hours ago, lawrencedc1 said:

Just found this thread!!   So in theory what would staying in neutral loft and just adjusting the lie angle down ... eg. ( F )  do to ball flight?

 

Assuming nothing in the swing or delivery changes, changing lie angle tilts the D-plane .   That adds a small amount of offset to the start line (based on the amount of loft) and a small amount of side spin.   In theory, for a 100 mph driver swing speed player, 1* of lie angle change results in the ball going offline laterally about ~2-3 yards.

 

https://www.tutelman.com/golf/design/lie1.php

 

But in practice, changing the lie angle can alter the visual of the club at address.  For certain people this can have additional effects on both the setup and even swing, neither of which are predictable in terms of the effect on the ball flight results.

Edited August 22, 2024 by Stuart_G

[lawrencedc1]

So in theory flattening the lie for a right handed golfer, could potentially mitigate a left/draw biased ball flight, but not as much as opening or adjusting the loft?

Edited August 22, 2024 by lawrencedc1

[myspinonit]

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