slicefixer, could you explain the differences

[provx]

between your preferred setup posistion and hardy's

i think you have said before you believe hardy's leads to an over the top move... but was wondering what you believe the correct setup angles are.

[slicefixer]

[quote name='provx' post='851508' date='Jan 6 2008, 03:20 PM']i think you have said before you believe hardy's leads to an over the top move... but was wondering what you believe the correct setup angles are.[/quote]

It's an "in an over" golf swing........."arms work inside a LOT and then work OVER their backswing path, but, still attack from the INSIDE..........it's NOT an "over the top" move by MY definition.........it's an "in and over golfswing".......BIG difference...........


Pro, the ONLY thing I dislike about Mr. Hardy's 1 plane swing is CONSCIOUS working of the arms so much inside, across, and behind the core..........the "start the lawnmower ARMSWING".........I LIKE the "start the lawnmower TORSO/CORE move".....in fact, the way the TORSO winds when 'starting a lawnmower" is basically what I teach/believe to be the purest way of winding up/pivoting the core and limiting lateral motion........I just HATE the "start the lawnmower armswing" because it then requires a "right arm throwoever" move to compensate in the transition..........IMOP the IDEAL transition should be PRIMARILY a change of "rotational direction" ........in a "perfet world" anyway........


This is excerpted from an email I sent to a fellow golfwrx member.......i NEED to rewrite it, but, I've got to go eat lunch/do honey' do's, etc.........but, the "gist" of the email..should answer your questions.........





BTW, "Matt" is "spider" on YouTube........





"Ok, the first thing you have to understand is I have my OWN "terminology"/"system".....and it ain't TGM...hehehe

The SET UP is the KEY.......

Notice how Matt has his left hip OVER his left heel.......the appearance/FEEL is that the right hip/knee are "kicked in" a bit and the weight is favoring the left side.........from a face on it will simply mean that the "right shoulder is the same amount below the left shoulder" as the right hand is below the left hand on the club......what I call a "natural set up" or a "natural shoulder/spine tilt".......

With an iron you'll FEEL like your starting with up to 90% of your weight on your left side for a SW off of hardpan......as the club gets longer the weight is DISTRIBUTED further right......ANYTIME you want to strike down/trap/compress the ball you'll have at least 70% of your weight 'set left" (and your weight, while it will transfer to the right a bit do to the PIVOT, will still remain primarily on your left side at the top, at least with short irons, etc.).....the more you need to trap down on it (bad lie/heavy rough) the more weight you "set" LEFT........

Whenever you want a bit more "pick" to the impact, for a long iron/fairway wood for instance, you'll DISTRIBUTE less weight "left".......50/60%......when you want to catch the ball at the bottom of the swing arc or SLIGHTLY on the upswing (driver) you might start with as much 60% of your weight +/- "set" on favoring your RIGHT side......

BTW, with a driver the OUTSIDE of the left hip will be over the INSIDE of the left heel which indicates that you've got your weight DISTRIBUTED more on your RIGHT side so at to set up striking the ball at the bottom of the swing arc or on the upswing.......

My reasoning behind the Set up is that the "angles" NEVER change, just the WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION........but, when you change the WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION you change your SET UP "angles"........and when you change your "set up angles" you change the swing.........

The benefit is that you NEVER have to consciously alter your set up angle or golf swing other than to 'adjust your weight distribution"......and you alter the weight distribution to "set up" the shot/club you desire to hit.......meaning you pick a club....."picture the shot".......then simply "distribute your weight to set up the shot desired then "MAKE THE SAME SWING"........LESS "thought".....and less THOUGHT is a "good thing"......IMOP......hehehe

The advantages are numerous........

- You SET UP to make the exact same pivot every time.....(the swing FEELS the same every time)

- Any changes in the swing, which there are do to the things that are necessary to hit a wedge off of hardpan (steeper angle of attack) vs. a driver over a 150ft. pine tree (striking it on the upswing) are "SET UP BY THE SET UP".....

- AS the golf swing IS as close to PURELY "rotational" (as I can figure out anyway) it's MUCH easier to replicate shot for shot and MUCH less stressful on the body.........IMOP, the less lateral movement you have the more "rotational" the CORE/TRUNK can "operate" (CORE ARC)...... and the more "circular" the arms will work (the ARM ARC) .....and then the more "circular" the clubheads ARC..........all in all the "swing becomes more circular"......which is a GREAT thing IMOP..... hehehe

OK, the more circular the swing is the more consistent the clubheads arc will be will be.......result, your impact angles (angle of attack and path) become more consistent......result, you strike the ball consistently on the same portion of the face ("the same groove) time after time.......

AND

The "faster the inside goes the faster the outside goes"........meaning the faster the core rotates the faster the clubhead travels..........and the clubhead is traveling a MUCH, MUCH greater distance in the same amount of time....... so it's going a helluva' lot faster........this equals SPEED which equals DISTANCE

BOTTOM LINE.......

The faster the CORE rotates the faster the clubhead travels........POWER
The more consistent the CORE rotates (the tighter the core's axis of rotation) the more consistent the "impact angles" of the clubhead........ACCURACY.........

AND, because of the set up and "type" of pivot your utilizing there is NEVER any strain on your back and your weight WILL T R A N S F E R all by itself with NO conscious attempt to "bump"/drive anything (there is NO "shift".....which I affectionately call "dancing") from right to left and at NO time will your upper body being going BACKWARDS while your lower body is going FORWARDS (BIG, BIG, HUGE disadvantage to S&T)........."EVERYTHING" is going FORWARDS in the correct "sequence".......in the downswing you simply TRANSFER and ROTATE and you don't FEEL the TRANSFER......it just happens...... "

[provx]

as far as the grip, this is my dilemma. when i setup with a weak left hand on the grip in order to cut it, this leads to a left arm disconnection on the backswing and downswing. a stronger left hand and i stay more connected.

i would rather have a weak grip so i don't have to worry about going left and holding off the hands, but does this weak grip disconnection make sense, and what would be a cure.

as far as the weight distribution that does make a lot of sense. it seems however that a lot of weight left, for me at least, leads to an overly steep shoulder plane on the backswing and can lead to chopping at the ball.

[slicefixer]

[quote name='provx' date='Jan 6 2008, 04:31 PM' post='851605']
as far as the grip, this is my dilemma. when i setup with a weak left hand on the grip in order to cut it, this leads to a left arm disconnection on the backswing and downswing. a stronger left hand and i stay more connected.


Let me "ponder that un' " for a few minutes.........I'm in a hurry right now, but, i'll figure out a response that makes sense..............

i would rather have a weak grip so i don't have to worry about going left and holding off the hands, but does this weak grip disconnection make sense, and what would be a cure.


Same as above.................

as far as the weight distribution that does make a lot of sense. it seems however that a lot of weight left, for me at least, leads to an overly steep shoulder plane on the backswing and can lead to chopping at the ball.


Then your NOT setting up with enough spine tilt AWAY from the target line, your too much "on top" of the ball at address.........at least for my taste, the S&T guy's would LUV it....hehehehe

[Texsport]

Slicefixer,

After you think about the grip, let us know what you figure out please.

I agree about the weaker grip. I prefer to use it because I'm a recovering "turn down release" guy, so still have more forearm rotation than ideal sometimes.

It may be worth noting that Hardy and several of his Tour students play with a weaker grip than he advocates in his general instruction series. He's mentioned this in passing in his book I think.

It may be that the right arm lawn mower move developed as a personal adaptation to prevent the disconnection you've mentioned. The move does encourage connection, of both arms and particularly gets the right arm/elbow into his preferred lagging/connected to the right hip position.

As far as encouraging an in and over move---I agree. And my experience is that if I make the lawn mower move, I've got to make sure I move that right hip to the rear also----or else I can stick it in the ground on the downswing with a real jolt to my hands! I'm guessing that without the turn, I get lateral motion and widen the bottom of the swing so much I can't get back to the ball?

I think that the follow thru throw down to the left is also an adaptation to prevent disconnection thru the ball/coming out of it too soon/thinning it.

Thanks for your great contributions---they always send me back to the range to experiment!

And----GEAUX TIGERS!

Texsport

[razorback]

I like some of what hardy believes and teaches, but i just dont understand the law mower crank. Just not a good backswing

[Texsport]

[quote name='razorback' post='852492' date='Jan 7 2008, 12:28 AM']I like some of what hardy believes and teaches, but i just dont understand the law mower crank. Just not a good backswing[/quote]


After the Hogs completely embarrassed the SEC with that Cotton Bowl performance, I wouldn't be flashing scores around---Missouri 38---Arkansas 7!

I'll bet Houston Nutt enjoyed it however!

Texsport

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='razorback' post='852492' date='Jan 7 2008, 01:28 AM']I like some of what hardy believes and teaches, but i just dont understand the law mower crank. Just not a good backswing[/quote]

I can visualize the initial right elbow move back and up as what you refer to as the "lawn mower crank" and I actually like this thought, but I can't find those terms anywhere in Hardy's two books. Where are you seeing this term? Or ... are you just using the same words as slicefixer above. Also ..... watching many of the pros on tv, I can clearly see that right elbow coming back and inside early on in the backswing. It happens so quickly it is hard to know the exact sequence of moves though or what body part is causing the other body parts to move.
AG

[Texsport]

[quote name='atlanta golfer' post='852597' date='Jan 7 2008, 06:02 AM'][quote name='razorback' post='852492' date='Jan 7 2008, 01:28 AM']I like some of what hardy believes and teaches, but i just dont understand the law mower crank. Just not a good backswing[/quote]

I can visualize the initial right elbow move back and up as what you refer to as the "lawn mower crank" and I actually like this thought, but I can't find those terms anywhere in Hardy's two books. Where are you seeing this term? Or ... are you just using the same words as slicefixer above. Also ..... watching many of the pros on tv, I can clearly see that right elbow coming back and inside early on in the backswing. It happens so quickly it is hard to know the exact sequence of moves though or what body part is causing the other body parts to move.
AG
[/quote]

He uses the term extensively in his 8 videos and on his website.

Texsport

[Dariusz J.]

Jim Hardy teaches a OP pattern with a rather strong grip. When your grip is strongish it's easy to bring the club too much to the inside at the takeaway. This lawnmower move is to prevent a too-inside takeaway, among others.
With a weak grip (a'la Hogan) you will end with your rear elbow up and back without the necessity of thinking about lawnmowers. This is what I discovered when experimenting with grips.

Cheers

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='Dariusz J.' post='852709' date='Jan 7 2008, 09:57 AM']Jim Hardy teaches a OP pattern with a rather strong grip. When your grip is strongish it's easy to bring the club too much to the inside at the takeaway. This lawnmower move is to prevent a too-inside takeaway, among others.
With a weak grip (a'la Hogan) you will end with your rear elbow up and back without the necessity of thinking about lawnmowers. This is what I discovered when experimenting with grips.

Cheers[/quote]

I have a moderate to strong grip (which I'm not planning to change) and have had some hooking problems with the longer clubs using the ops. I finally discovered that I was bringing the right elbow back too tightly to my right side on the takeaway, which brought the club too far inside too quickly. Jim addresses this as a fault in his books and he shows some pictures of this. I now am bringing the elbow up and back but a little more away from my body, using the "x" drill. This makes a huge difference. Does this match up with your experience?
AG

[Albatros]

[quote name='slicefixer' post='851539' date='Jan 6 2008, 11:44 AM']Notice how Matt has his left hip OVER his left heel.......the appearance/FEEL is that the right hip/knee are "kicked in" a bit and the weight is favoring the left side.........from a face on it will simply mean that the "right shoulder is the same amount below the left shoulder" as the right hand is below the left hand on the club......what I call a "natural set up" or a "natural shoulder/spine tilt".......

With an iron you'll FEEL like your starting with up to 90% of your weight on your left side for a SW off of hardpan......as the club gets longer the weight is DISTRIBUTED further right......ANYTIME you want to strike down/trap/compress the ball you'll have at least 70% of your weight 'set left" (and your weight, while it will transfer to the right a bit do to the PIVOT, will still remain primarily on your left side at the top, at least with short irons, etc.).....the more you need to trap down on it (bad lie/heavy rough) the more weight you "set" LEFT........

My reasoning behind the Set up is that the "angles" NEVER change, just the WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION........but, when you change the WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION you change your SET UP "angles"........and when you change your "set up angles" you change the swing.........[/quote]

Interesting... I went from a working Gary Edwin swing to working on a Hardy OPS. Recently I just started thinking that mixing some of the forward hip press of the GE swing is needed for me and just feels better than the 50/50 weight distribution. I tend to set up those angles by standing over the ball with just my left hand on the club. I place my right hand on the club, not by reaching, but by pushing my left hip towards the target slightly and tilting my spine slightly away from the target. This puts a slight reverse K on my stance and puts my right hand on the club. From there, the backswing just seems to "set" more naturally.

Slice, do you see anything glaringly wrong with this?

[exgolfpro]

Sounds somewhat "Gary Edwin-ish". At least the setup.

[Dariusz J.]

[quote name='atlanta golfer' post='852871' date='Jan 7 2008, 12:24 PM'][quote name='Dariusz J.' post='852709' date='Jan 7 2008, 09:57 AM']Jim Hardy teaches a OP pattern with a rather strong grip. When your grip is strongish it's easy to bring the club too much to the inside at the takeaway. This lawnmower move is to prevent a too-inside takeaway, among others.
With a weak grip (a'la Hogan) you will end with your rear elbow up and back without the necessity of thinking about lawnmowers. This is what I discovered when experimenting with grips.

Cheers[/quote]

I have a moderate to strong grip (which I'm not planning to change) and have had some hooking problems with the longer clubs using the ops. I finally discovered that I was bringing the right elbow back too tightly to my right side on the takeaway, which brought the club too far inside too quickly. Jim addresses this as a fault in his books and he shows some pictures of this. I now am bringing the elbow up and back but a little more away from my body, using the "x" drill. This makes a huge difference. Does this match up with your experience?
AG
[/quote]

Definitely, yes. I do not know if you have the Secret Vault DVDs, but in the 1st one Jim demonstrates this lawnmower takeaway - your elbow should move at a 45* angle up and back, which means not close to the body at all. It appears that you do it correctly.

Cheers

[provx]

i played today and tried the more weight on the left side setup. i had tried this before, but i think slicefixer is making a distinction between what i had tried before and what he advocates.

before when i tried more weight on the left side i just loaded all the weight into my left foot. today i was "balancing" the weight into my entire left side which is what setting the left hip over the foot essential makes you do. hopefully this is what slice is trying to get us to feel, and it simply isn't a case of me reading too much into what he is trying to say.

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='Dariusz J.' post='852978' date='Jan 7 2008, 01:54 PM'][quote name='atlanta golfer' post='852871' date='Jan 7 2008, 12:24 PM'][quote name='Dariusz J.' post='852709' date='Jan 7 2008, 09:57 AM']Jim Hardy teaches a OP pattern with a rather strong grip. When your grip is strongish it's easy to bring the club too much to the inside at the takeaway. This lawnmower move is to prevent a too-inside takeaway, among others.
With a weak grip (a'la Hogan) you will end with your rear elbow up and back without the necessity of thinking about lawnmowers. This is what I discovered when experimenting with grips.

Cheers[/quote]

I have a moderate to strong grip (which I'm not planning to change) and have had some hooking problems with the longer clubs using the ops. I finally discovered that I was bringing the right elbow back too tightly to my right side on the takeaway, which brought the club too far inside too quickly. Jim addresses this as a fault in his books and he shows some pictures of this. I now am bringing the elbow up and back but a little more away from my body, using the "x" drill. This makes a huge difference. Does this match up with your experience?
AG
[/quote]

Definitely, yes. I do not know if you have the Secret Vault DVDs, but in the 1st one Jim demonstrates this lawnmower takeaway - your elbow should move at a 45* angle up and back, which means not close to the body at all. It appears that you do it correctly.

Cheers
[/quote]

Thanks for the reinforcement. I also discovered today on the range that another key really is exactly as described in the books, that the right elbow moving up and back on the takeaway is the force that pulls the left arm across the chest. It's funny how this can be described in a book and I can read it, but somehow had to discover it for myself and feel it myself. Previously, I was trying to pull my left arm across the chest as the initiating move. I had to FEEL for myself how the right elbow moving back will pull the left across. Now I get it, finally.

[razorback]

[quote name='atlanta golfer' post='852597' date='Jan 7 2008, 08:02 AM'][quote name='razorback' post='852492' date='Jan 7 2008, 01:28 AM']I like some of what hardy believes and teaches, but i just dont understand the law mower crank. Just not a good backswing[/quote]

I can visualize the initial right elbow move back and up as what you refer to as the "lawn mower crank" and I actually like this thought, but I can't find those terms anywhere in Hardy's two books. Where are you seeing this term? Or ... are you just using the same words as slicefixer above. Also ..... watching many of the pros on tv, I can clearly see that right elbow coming back and inside early on in the backswing. It happens so quickly it is hard to know the exact sequence of moves though or what body part is causing the other body parts to move.
AG
[/quote]

OK..., YES Jim Hardy does refer to the move in the backswing as "cranking the lawn mower". I haven't read any books written by Jim Hardy but do own the dvd of The Plane Truth About Golf. In the dvd Hardy does use this term approximately 8 times. Jeff Quinney is a great example of the lawn mower crank getting the hands too far inside and the club steep which puts you in a not so easy position to attack the golf ball, leaving you to hit low pull cuts. Olin Brown is a great example of a Hardy player doing what Hardy teaches and hitting low cuts, thats all he can hit, but works for him. As for you saying that it is so fast that you can hardly notice the crank, well not exactly true. The move that Hardy teaches stands out to the naked eye. If you would like to test that check the backswing section of the plane truth about golf dvd, with jim hardy himself demonstrating the move.

[razorback]

[quote name='Texsport' post='852587' date='Jan 7 2008, 07:07 AM'][quote name='razorback' post='852492' date='Jan 7 2008, 12:28 AM']I like some of what hardy believes and teaches, but i just dont understand the law mower crank. Just not a good backswing[/quote]


After the Hogs completely embarrassed the SEC with that Cotton Bowl performance, I wouldn't be flashing scores around---Missouri 38---Arkansas 7!

I'll bet Houston Nutt enjoyed it however!

Texsport
[/quote]

Oh and BTW tex, I guess Arkansas is just so embarrassing that LS-who couldnt beat em'

[PingEye2]

Razorback, where are you in AR? I'm in the LR area. BTW, Slicefixer probably is within an easy drive. He is for me (well, actually my son)

[AcesAZ]

Slicefixer-

Thanks for the pointers on set up. I'm a one planer ala Hogan and many others so I know your teachings will really apply to my swing. I really think my setup has been screwed up and I couldn't figure why I was hitting my driver very well most the time but catching my irons on the thin side and weak with little compression. I had too much weight right!!! I felt like I was sweeping it way too much and really couldn't hit down on the ball. This has been going on for the last couple months. I need to go and hit some balls tomorrow and get the fix on with my iron game. I can't believe I didn't think about too much weight on my right side with the irons!!!

Also one question, What starts the downswing? I've heard multiple answers on this. Personally I've been really working on starting my downswing with my left hip rotating left or back.

[razorback]

[quote name='PingEye2' post='853850' date='Jan 8 2008, 01:07 AM']Razorback, where are you in AR? I'm in the LR area. BTW, Slicefixer probably is within an easy drive. He is for me (well, actually my son)[/quote]


He obviously knows his stuff....very well.....impressive. I'm from texas but actually living in mississippi right now.

[atlanta golfer]

[quote name='razorback' post='853695' date='Jan 7 2008, 10:32 PM'][quote name='atlanta golfer' post='852597' date='Jan 7 2008, 08:02 AM'][quote name='razorback' post='852492' date='Jan 7 2008, 01:28 AM']I like some of what hardy believes and teaches, but i just dont understand the law mower crank. Just not a good backswing[/quote]

I can visualize the initial right elbow move back and up as what you refer to as the "lawn mower crank" and I actually like this thought, but I can't find those terms anywhere in Hardy's two books. Where are you seeing this term? Or ... are you just using the same words as slicefixer above. Also ..... watching many of the pros on tv, I can clearly see that right elbow coming back and inside early on in the backswing. It happens so quickly it is hard to know the exact sequence of moves though or what body part is causing the other body parts to move.
AG
[/quote]

OK..., YES Jim Hardy does refer to the move in the backswing as "cranking the lawn mower". I haven't read any books written by Jim Hardy but do own the dvd of The Plane Truth About Golf. In the dvd Hardy does use this term approximately 8 times. Jeff Quinney is a great example of the lawn mower crank getting the hands too far inside and the club steep which puts you in a not so easy position to attack the golf ball, leaving you to hit low pull cuts. Olin Brown is a great example of a Hardy player doing what Hardy teaches and hitting low cuts, thats all he can hit, but works for him. As for you saying that it is so fast that you can hardly notice the crank, well not exactly true. The move that Hardy teaches stands out to the naked eye. If you would like to test that check the backswing section of the plane truth about golf dvd, with jim hardy himself demonstrating the move.
[/quote]

Got it - the source of the lawnmower reference is in the dvd's which I don't have. Question for you - you refererence a couple of ops pros who hit low cuts. But I'm not seeing the ops as necessarily producing this type of ball flight. Personally, I'm only getting a left to right ball flight when I unintentionally come up out of my posture on the downswing - which makes sense because standing up will put the path back to the ball on a higher plane which must eventually return to the ball via otp move. But normally this is a draw oriented fairly high flight, at least for me - just as long as I maintain a relatively constant spine angle which in the ops is somewhat more angled down than typical.

[golfer.61]

[quote name='slicefixer' post='851539' date='Jan 6 2008, 03:44 PM'][quote name='provx' post='851508' date='Jan 6 2008, 03:20 PM']i think you have said before you believe hardy's leads to an over the top move... but was wondering what you believe the correct setup angles are.[/quote]

It's an "in an over" golf swing........."arms work inside a LOT and then work OVER their backswing path, but, still attack from the INSIDE..........it's NOT an "over the top" move by MY definition.........it's an "in and over golfswing".......BIG difference...........


Pro, the ONLY thing I dislike about Mr. Hardy's 1 plane swing is CONSCIOUS working of the arms so much inside, across, and behind the core..........the "start the lawnmower ARMSWING".........I LIKE the "start the lawnmower TORSO/CORE move".....in fact, the way the TORSO winds when 'starting a lawnmower" is basically what I teach/believe to be the purest way of winding up/pivoting the core and limiting lateral motion........I just HATE the "start the lawnmower armswing" because it then requires a "right arm throwoever" move to compensate in the transition..........IMOP the IDEAL transition should be PRIMARILY a change of "rotational direction" ........in a "perfet world" anyway........


This is excerpted from an email I sent to a fellow golfwrx member.......i NEED to rewrite it, but, I've got to go eat lunch/do honey' do's, etc.........but, the "gist" of the email..should answer your questions.........





BTW, "Matt" is "spider" on YouTube........





"Ok, the first thing you have to understand is I have my OWN "terminology"/"system".....and it ain't TGM...hehehe

The SET UP is the KEY.......

Notice how Matt has his left hip OVER his left heel.......the appearance/FEEL is that the right hip/knee are "kicked in" a bit and the weight is favoring the left side.........from a face on it will simply mean that the "right shoulder is the same amount below the left shoulder" as the right hand is below the left hand on the club......what I call a "natural set up" or a "natural shoulder/spine tilt".......

With an iron you'll FEEL like your starting with up to 90% of your weight on your left side for a SW off of hardpan......as the club gets longer the weight is DISTRIBUTED further right......ANYTIME you want to strike down/trap/compress the ball you'll have at least 70% of your weight 'set left" (and your weight, while it will transfer to the right a bit do to the PIVOT, will still remain primarily on your left side at the top, at least with short irons, etc.).....the more you need to trap down on it (bad lie/heavy rough) the more weight you "set" LEFT........

Whenever you want a bit more "pick" to the impact, for a long iron/fairway wood for instance, you'll DISTRIBUTE less weight "left".......50/60%......when you want to catch the ball at the bottom of the swing arc or SLIGHTLY on the upswing (driver) you might start with as much 60% of your weight +/- "set" on favoring your RIGHT side......

BTW, with a driver the OUTSIDE of the left hip will be over the INSIDE of the left heel which indicates that you've got your weight DISTRIBUTED more on your RIGHT side so at to set up striking the ball at the bottom of the swing arc or on the upswing.......

My reasoning behind the Set up is that the "angles" NEVER change, just the WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION........but, when you change the WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION you change your SET UP "angles"........and when you change your "set up angles" you change the swing.........

The benefit is that you NEVER have to consciously alter your set up angle or golf swing other than to 'adjust your weight distribution"......and you alter the weight distribution to "set up" the shot/club you desire to hit.......meaning you pick a club....."picture the shot".......then simply "distribute your weight to set up the shot desired then "MAKE THE SAME SWING"........LESS "thought".....and less THOUGHT is a "good thing"......IMOP......hehehe

The advantages are numerous........

- You SET UP to make the exact same pivot every time.....(the swing FEELS the same every time)

- Any changes in the swing, which there are do to the things that are necessary to hit a wedge off of hardpan (steeper angle of attack) vs. a driver over a 150ft. pine tree (striking it on the upswing) are "SET UP BY THE SET UP".....

- AS the golf swing IS as close to PURELY "rotational" (as I can figure out anyway) it's MUCH easier to replicate shot for shot and MUCH less stressful on the body.........IMOP, the less lateral movement you have the more "rotational" the CORE/TRUNK can "operate" (CORE ARC)...... and the more "circular" the arms will work (the ARM ARC) .....and then the more "circular" the clubheads ARC..........all in all the "swing becomes more circular"......which is a GREAT thing IMOP..... hehehe

OK, the more circular the swing is the more consistent the clubheads arc will be will be.......result, your impact angles (angle of attack and path) become more consistent......result, you strike the ball consistently on the same portion of the face ("the same groove) time after time.......

AND

The "faster the inside goes the faster the outside goes"........meaning the faster the core rotates the faster the clubhead travels..........and the clubhead is traveling a MUCH, MUCH greater distance in the same amount of time....... so it's going a helluva' lot faster........this equals SPEED which equals DISTANCE

BOTTOM LINE.......

The faster the CORE rotates the faster the clubhead travels........POWER
The more consistent the CORE rotates (the tighter the core's axis of rotation) the more consistent the "impact angles" of the clubhead........ACCURACY.........

AND, because of the set up and "type" of pivot your utilizing there is NEVER any strain on your back and your weight WILL T R A N S F E R all by itself with NO conscious attempt to "bump"/drive anything (there is NO "shift".....which I affectionately call "dancing") from right to left and at NO time will your upper body being going BACKWARDS while your lower body is going FORWARDS (BIG, BIG, HUGE disadvantage to S&T)........."EVERYTHING" is going FORWARDS in the correct "sequence".......in the downswing you simply TRANSFER and ROTATE and you don't FEEL the TRANSFER......it just happens...... "
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slice why you don't have a book in pubication is beyond me......

[rankoutsider]

don't worry too much about the book thing: in my other life i teach students at the U in town how to write non-fiction, and will be heading down for a weekend's worth of lessons with slice in a month or so. i'll get him working on the book...in point of fact, i think it's about 80 percent written from his emails and posts. i just have to find a good way to spring it on him....

[slicefixer]

[quote name='rankoutsider' post='854288' date='Jan 8 2008, 11:38 AM']don't worry too much about the book thing: in my other life i teach students at the U in town how to write non-fiction, and will be heading down for a weekend's worth of lessons with slice in a month or so. i'll get him working on the book...in point of fact, i think it's about 80 percent written from his emails and posts. i just have to find a good way to spring it on him....[/quote]


Because I don't know if anyone would actually buy the damned thing.......hehehehe

[rankoutsider]

hey slice: that's not your concern just now.-) you provide the insight; the rest will take care of itself.

[razorback]

i will be in line for the book

[Lake]

I know of a certain Member-Guest goodie bag that would require purchasing about 120 copies .....signed of-course!!!

[rankoutsider]

Slice doesn't know this part yet, but after we draft the manuscript (note the "we" slice--i've finnagled my way in there), we invite 10 students (all golfwrx folks, of course) down for a clinic--no charge to you, but you have to pay your own hotel, etc.-- to "field test" the program: lake's advanced order, and general good nature, have secured him an invite (and the signed copies); razorback is invited for sure (i like the handle, and the hogs) and the others will hear soon enough.

Slice, we are almost at the point where it doesn't matter what you say.-) i'm working up the prospectus to send you within a day or two, and you can add or delete chapters/topics/subtopics as you see fit. I'm just rereading some of your more detailed posts/emails/ etc. for thoughts on how to best organize the material. and if you think this is a joke, let me remind you of one thing...any golf book publisher in the world would jump at this, given the enthusiastic response already recorded on this thread and other threads where people have wanted the more detailed, organized, book-length version of your experience and insight.

OK, enough about this for now. Slice, I'll email you or give you a ring within the next couple-three days and we'll work out the details. As of now, the project is officially a go...

[simplemind]

[size=1][i][quote name='rankoutsider' post='854741' date='Jan 8 2008, 02:35 PM']Slice doesn't know this part yet, but after we draft the manuscript (note the "we" slice--i've finnagled my way in there), we invite 10 students (all golfwrx folks, of course) down for a clinic--no charge to you, but you have to pay your own hotel, etc.-- to "field test" the program: lake's advanced order, and general good nature, have secured him an invite (and the signed copies); razorback is invited for sure (i like the handle, and the hogs) and the others will hear soon enough.

Slice, we are almost at the point where it doesn't matter what you say.-) i'm working up the prospectus to send you within a day or two, and you can add or delete chapters/topics/subtopics as you see fit. I'm just rereading some of your more detailed posts/emails/ etc. for thoughts on how to best organize the material. and if you think this is a joke, let me remind you of one thing...any golf book publisher in the world would jump at this, given the enthusiastic response already recorded on this thread and other threads where people have wanted the more detailed, organized, book-length version of your experience and insight.

OK, enough about this for now. Slice, I'll email you or give you a ring within the next couple-three days and we'll work out the details. As of now, the project is officially a go...[/quote][/i][/size]

I couldn't find the sign-up link/button on his website.......could you help?