Tour Lock weights

[JermWRX]

Anyone have any experience using Tour Lock weights? Any thoughts on what they did for dispersion, feel, strike consistency, distance? Heavier to lighter options depending on the club? Thinking of giving them a try. Thanks!

[gripandrip]

I toyed around with tour lock weights to counterbalance a putter. Played it for quite a while, but eventually moved away from it. Very easy to use and install.

[Nick_E]

I had a ping g410 lst and a ventus playing at 47.  The swingweight was like F0.  I thought let's just offset the weight using tour lock.  It worked just as expected, but I didn't like the feel.   Ended up cutting down Ventus to play at 45.5

 

If you're looking to buy ill sell mine pretty cheap.  Ive got the pro version.

[skraly]

Back weighting is a very individualized thing.  It works great for some.  Not so great for others.  The only way to find out is to test and see.  That said, the Tour Lock weight system is very easy to use.  Probably best to buy 3-4 different weights, something like 8-30 gms., and try it on one club.  If it doesn’t do anything for you you’ll only have one grip to replace and investment will be minimal. I’ll also mention that some like to backweight their woods but not their irons and visa-versa.

[Stuart_G]

6 hours ago, skraly said:

Back weighting is a very individualized thing.  It works great for some.  Not so great for others.  The only way to find out is to test and see.  That said, the Tour Lock weight system is very easy to use.  Probably best to buy 3-4 different weights, something like 8-30 gms., and try it on one club.  If it doesn’t do anything for you you’ll only have one grip to replace and investment will be minimal. I’ll also mention that some like to backweight their woods but not their irons and visa-versa.

 

Agree.   Could be wrong, but as I understand it, counterbalancing for full swing clubs tends to work best (for those that it does help) in the 10-20 gm range.    I tend to recommend people try just 15 gm to start the test before buying  more.

 

Now you can see a much bigger range in putters - 30 to the max available.

 

[HateTheHighDraw]

I’ve got em and love em. Really helped me from a tempo and release standpoint to shallow out a bit and hit a draw. I have the pro pack which offers increasing weights from wedge to driver. I don’t use it in my putter however 

[Bburch4]

1 hour ago, HateTheHighDraw said:

I’ve got em and love em. Really helped me from a tempo and release standpoint to shallow out a bit and hit a draw. I have the pro pack which offers increasing weights from wedge to driver. I don’t use it in my putter however 

I have been looking at these, what weights did you use in what clubs with that pack? Just lightest in your shortest club, and increasing till your longest? Also what is your set make up that you added these weights to? 

[HateTheHighDraw]

39 minutes ago, Bburch4 said:

I have been looking at these, what weights did you use in what clubs with that pack? Just lightest in your shortest club, and increasing till your longest? Also what is your set make up that you added these weights to? 

yes lightest to heaviest as the length of club increases. My set up is D, 4wood, 3hy, 4-PW, GW, SW, LW

[LeftyMatt24]

How much does the 15 gram weight reduce the overall swingweight on an iron? Or is this bad thinking and it really just is feel and increases overall weight. 

[Howard_Jones]

1 hour ago, LeftyMatt24 said:

How much does the 15 gram weight reduce the overall swingweight on an iron? Or is this bad thinking and it really just is feel and increases overall weight. 

its bad thinking.

Head weight DONT go down, and total weight goes up, and when total weight goes up, MOI / resistance to swing the club goes up.

The only club ADDING wight grips side works to reduce feel of head wgt is on putters, but its not really feel of reduced head wgt on putters either, we just add resistance to move grip side, who slows down the speed of our hands forward and makes it easier for the head in the other end to follow.

Way to many mix this up with CW weighted shafts, but they DONT have added weight, but redistributed weight, where we move weight from the front of the shaft, and add that weight to the shaft end. That means we keep total wgt the same, but with a LIGHTER front/tip side, thats what actually makes feel of head wgt go down. 

If feel of head weight /SW is to high, we must either reduce that weight, go shorter, or use a CW weighted shaft who has the same wgt as we use now. Adding weight grip side, fools the SW scale and might send total wgt over your limits, so its NOT the way to go if head weight is to high.

Edited November 12, 2021 by Howard_Jones

[LeftyMatt24]

1 hour ago, Howard_Jones said:

its bad thinking.

Head weight DONT go down, and total weight goes up, and when total weight goes up, MOI / resistance to swing the club goes up.

The only club ADDING wight grips side works to reduce feel of head wgt is on putters, but its not really feel of reduced head wgt on putters either, we just add resistance to move grip side, who slows down the speed of our hands forward and makes it easier for the head in the other end to follow.

Way to many mix this up with CW weighted shafts, but they DONT have added weight, but redistributed weight, where we move weight from the front of the shaft, and add that weight to the shaft end. That means we keep total wgt the same, but with a LIGHTER front/tip side, thats what actually makes feel of head wgt go down. 

If feel of head weight /SW is to high, we must either reduce that weight, go shorter, or use a CW weighted shaft who has the same wgt as we use now. Adding weight grip side, fools the SW scale and might send total wgt over your limits, so its NOT the way to go if head weight is to high.

Thank you Howard. My current irons I feel comfortable with and probably shouldn’t have looked at the swingweight value. They are d9 in 5 iron and e0/e1 in PW. Ball flight is in the right window and the only complaint I have is occasionally I’ll block one probably coming too far inside. 

[Howard_Jones]

11 minutes ago, LeftyMatt24 said:

Thank you Howard. My current irons I feel comfortable with and probably shouldn’t have looked at the swingweight value. They are d9 in 5 iron and e0/e1 in PW. Ball flight is in the right window and the only complaint I have is occasionally I’ll block one probably coming too far inside. 

If you wants to try counter weight added, its simple, and you dont have to buy Tour lock insert weights to try it off.

Take a tee and a handful of spacer shims, (shims who has the same weight as a sum as planned insert wgt) Put the tee with shims down the ventilation hole on the grip end, and fix it there with some duct tape....swing the club 

[LeftyMatt24]

12 minutes ago, Howard_Jones said:

If you wants to try counter weight added, its simple, and you dont have to buy Tour lock insert weights to try it off.

Take a tee and a handful of spacer shims, (shims who has the same weight as a sum as planned insert wgt) Put the tee with shims down the ventilation hole on the grip end, and fix it there with some duct tape....swing the club 

That’s a good idea and definitely worth it if I wanted to try it. Appreciate the suggestion. 

[jlongdg]

28.8 grams = 1oz. Adding less than 1oz the the shaft end won't make a huge difference in total weight feels, but is roughly 4 swing weights worth of change on the club head side of things.

 

Counterweights and lead tape helped me to greatly add consistent feel throughout my club set that came from the manufacturer with many inconsistencies.  

 

My MACSPD Irons came in all over the place in swing weight. I play +1" so all factory built clubs tend to come in D6+. D1 is where I like my driver and fairway woods. I like my long irons in the D2 range, and my wedges at D5. After a deep dive on Tutelman's site, I decided to MOI balance, then measured everything again. Starting 4 iron at D2, and working through the set, my 4,5,6,7 all came out the exact same total weight 420 grams.  The 8,9,P stepped up roughly 10 grams each, and the Vokey 48,52,and 56 all measured the same weight 455 grams at D5 swing weight. The swing weight progressed .5 - .6 heavier from long to short. All MACSPD irons required counterweight from 10 -25 grams, and wedges took a small amount of lead tape except 56* which was already spot on.

 

Overall, I am happy with the much more consistent feel through the set, and performance wise, dispersion and spin are more consistent when I do my job vs the stock set. My striking is very tempo sensitive, and consistent feels help that stay on point. Tinker to find out what is best for your swing. If there was only one good recipe, all clubs would be made that way. 

 

 

[Stuart_G]

11 hours ago, jlongdg said:

28.8 grams = 1oz. Adding less than 1oz the the shaft end won't make a huge difference in total weight feels,

 

Of course everyone has different levels of sensitivity - but for the most part that's completely wrong.  The vast majority will notice a difference in total static weight of ~30  gm pretty easily.    The nervous system in our hands are extremely sensitive - one of the more sensitive parts of our bodies.

 

 

11 hours ago, jlongdg said:

but is roughly 4 swing weights worth of change on the club head side of things.

 

Not if your talking about added butt weight.  It has almost no effect on the MOI or the actual head weight contribution to heft.    Forget what the swing weight scale might tell you.  It was never designed or intended to tell you what going to happen to the general heft feel when a change in butt weight occurs.

 

[jlongdg]

The swing weight or cg shift is more Important to me than the static weight. 

Edited August 1, 2024 by jlongdg

[Stuart_G]

1 hour ago, jlongdg said:

The swing weight or cg shift is more Important to me than the static weight. 

 

Sorry - correction coming.

 

If counterbalancing helped - then static weight was important according to basic physics.  

 

It's a bit of simplification, but there are two basic weight related physical properties of a golf club that might affect how we swing it and the resistance (heft) we feel from it.   Total mass is the cause for the resistance to linear acceleration that we feel.  And the club MOI is contributes to the resistance to the rotational acceleration we apply to the club.

 

c.g. or balance point doesn't really contribute at all.  The first moment might have a small effect - but even that's not the same thing as c.g. or balance point.

 

The only thing that added butt weight effects is the total mass of the club.  It has no real effect on either the MOI (second moment) or first moment of inertia.   That's actually a perfect example where balance point shifts but neither the first or second moments of inertia change in any significant way.

 

Don't be fooled by the design of the swing weight scale.   The swing weight uses balance - but it doesn't really have anything to do with balance.   Balance is purely a static property of the club, not a dynamic property.

 

 

Edited August 1, 2024 by Stuart_G