How to tell if a Ventus w Velocore has been tipped 1"

[Avidswampthing66]

This may be a silly question but, how can you tell if a Ventus w/velocore has been tipped an inch? I assume the location of the velocore label would differ...but how much? Where should it be in relation to adapter or club head? Thanks WRXrs

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[EDT501]

4” from the tip to the final e in velocore. Most adaptors add ~0.5” so you’d want to see ~4.5” from the tip of the adaptor the the velocore label 

[ignitewvu]

35 minutes ago, EDT501 said:

4” from the tip to the final e in velocore. Most adaptors add ~0.5” so you’d want to see ~4.5” from the tip of the adaptor the the velocore label 

 

Is 4" tipped or untipped?

[EDT501]

4 inches on a raw uncut shaft

[golfer55082]

My ventus Velocore shafts are not tipped; it’s about 2 5/8 inch from the bottom of the adapter (Ping G410) to the E print in Velocore. See pictures:

 

[LIGHT THE CANDLE]

This may help as long as you know how far it goes into the adapter a TM tip is 1.27” deep.

[David Miller]

Looking right now at a 5 wood online where the e on the back end of velocore is covered by the ferrule. He said he only tipped it 1 5/8" and due to the long necks in the rogue ST 5 wood it just cuts off that letter on the shaft. I think it accidentally was tipped twice. Any thoughts? Anyone seen anything like this before? Trying to figure out an answer before I purchase. 

 

Anything would be appreciated

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[driveandputtmachine]

9 hours ago, David Miller said:

Looking right now at a 5 wood online where the e on the back end of velocore is covered by the ferrule. He said he only tipped it 1 5/8" and due to the long necks in the rogue ST 5 wood it just cuts off that letter on the shaft. I think it accidentally was tipped twice. Any thoughts? Anyone seen anything like this before? Trying to figure out an answer before I purchase. 

 

Anything would be appreciated

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He's either lying or unaware.  1-5/8 tipping, and the hosel covers the e would mean that the insertion depth on the Rogue would be close to 2.5 inches.

 

I do not have a Rogue ST in front of me, but re-shafted one for a buddy, and I can guarantee that the insertion depth is NOT close to 2-1/2 inches.

 

My guess is that the shaft has been tipped close to 3 inches in total.

[third-times-a-charm]

10 hours ago, David Miller said:

Looking right now at a 5 wood online where the e on the back end of velocore is covered by the ferrule. He said he only tipped it 1 5/8" and due to the long necks in the rogue ST 5 wood it just cuts off that letter on the shaft. I think it accidentally was tipped twice. Any thoughts? Anyone seen anything like this before? Trying to figure out an answer before I purchase. 

 

Anything would be appreciated

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Big nope. It's been tipped at least 2.5". Assuming it's seated all the way with a 1" insertion depth and using a .5" ferrule as normal.

Edited September 9, 2022 by third-times-a-charm

[bigdog8211]

25 minutes ago, driveandputtmachine said:

He's either lying or unaware.  1-5/8 tipping, and the hosel covers the e would mean that the insertion depth on the Rogue would be close to 2.5 inches.

 

I do not have a Rogue ST in front of me, but re-shafted one for a buddy, and I can guarantee that the insertion depth is NOT close to 2-1/2 inches.

 

My guess is that the shaft has been tipped close to 3 inches in total.

Brings up a question, can a shaft be trimmed too much?  Fuji says .5" tip trimming for a 5 wood and to 1" of trimming to go up 1 flex, so here it appears the shaft was trimmed 2.5" (assuming 1.5" for insertion into adapter). 

[third-times-a-charm]

3 minutes ago, bigdog8211 said:

Brings up a question, can a shaft be trimmed too much?  Fuji says .5" tip trimming for a 5 wood and to 1" of trimming to go up 1 flex, so here it appears the shaft was trimmed 2.5" (assuming 1.5" for insertion into adapter). 

They absolutely can be tipped too much. Generally anything over 1" of tipping in "standard woods" like a 3/5/7 wood is the max for an amateur player. Some can play and will like the feel of 1.5-2" but thats a minority.

 

Also Fujikura's assertion that tip trimming changes flex (as in flex for flex on paper) is a gross overestimation and isnt true. All tip trimming does is change the stiffness of the tip section. If you tip trim an R flex shaft 2" you are most certainly NOT making an X flex shaft all of a sudden. And tip trimming an R flex 1" to be put into a 5 wood doesnt mean you now have an S flex shaft in that club.

Edited September 9, 2022 by third-times-a-charm

[driveandputtmachine]

1 minute ago, bigdog8211 said:

Brings up a question, can a shaft be trimmed too much?  Fuji says .5" tip trimming for a 5 wood and to 1" of trimming to go up 1 flex, so here it appears the shaft was trimmed 2.5" (assuming 1.5" for insertion into adapter). 

Yes a shaft can be tipped too much.  Unfortunately it differs for each shaft brand, line, and flex.

 

I have a Ventus Red, they have a 3.0" parallel tip section.  So between insertion into the adapter/club and tipping you can remove and insert a total of 3.0" "safely".  Why I put safely in quotes is that while it will fit if you tip and insert to the end of the full 3", every shafts extra strength in the tip is different.  So some shafts with a 3" PTS(Parallel Tip Section) may reinforce to 10 or 12 inches(I do not know exact numbers), others that recommend less tipping may only reinforce to 6 or less inches.

 

I play the red fully tipped in a TM 300 Mini Driver.  I rarely hit it off of the turf, so I am not worried about tipping and inserting the full 3".  With a true fairway wood hit off of the turf, stick to the manufacturers tipping recommendations because they take the reinforcement into their calculations.  Hitting the ground and ball puts more force against the shaft than just hitting the ball.

 

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The one you are showing I believe is tipped and inserted beyond the 3.0" parallel tip section, so they may have had to sand a bit more to get it to fit and could have compromised the shaft.  Or it could be fine and the PTS may be actually 4" and Fuji says 3" to cover themselves.  

[Pastit]

12 minutes ago, driveandputtmachine said:

Yes a shaft can be tipped too much.  Unfortunately it differs for each shaft brand, line, and flex.

 

I have a Ventus Red, they have a 3.0" parallel tip section.  So between insertion into the adapter/club and tipping you can remove and insert a total of 3.0" "safely".  Why I put safely in quotes is that while it will fit if you tip and insert to the end of the full 3", every shafts extra strength in the tip is different.  So some shafts with a 3" PTS(Parallel Tip Section) may reinforce to 10 or 12 inches(I do not know exact numbers), others that recommend less tipping may only reinforce to 6 or less inches.

 

I play the red fully tipped in a TM 300 Mini Driver.  I rarely hit it off of the turf, so I am not worried about tipping and inserting the full 3".  With a true fairway wood hit off of the turf, stick to the manufacturers tipping recommendations because they take the reinforcement into their calculations.  Hitting the ground and ball puts more force against the shaft than just hitting the ball.

 

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The one you are showing I believe is tipped and inserted beyond the 3.0" parallel tip section, so they may have had to sand a bit more to get it to fit and could have compromised the shaft.  Or it could be fine and the PTS may be actually 4" and Fuji says 3" to cover themselves.  

I’m not with your 2nd para. It seems to me you’re offering confusion between the “ Velecore “ reinforcement and that in the 3” standard tip.

 

What needs to be avoided is offering a “ sheer stress point “ to the sleeve/ tip where the 2 types of reinforcement meet. In other words, the shaft load should be only bear upon the 3” tip section. 
 

I always reckon there’s 37mm ( 1.5” ) depth in Callaway and TM sleeve/ tips  measured from the top of the push-on collar. 

[driveandputtmachine]

Every graphite shaft has reinforcement above the PTS, however, I have no clue how far up that extra reinforcement goes.  It is shaft dependant and how it it is made.

 

My understanding is that the reinforcement extends beyond the PTS and can be anywhere from 4 or 5 inches to 12 inches or more.

 

Velocore may be part of that reinforcement, I have no idea, there could be extra reinforcement above and beyond the Velocore, once again I haven't seen a graphite shaft MDS in quite some time.

[jvlehigh]

I just bought a Ventus blue 6x shaft online. I measure 4.5” from the e to to where the titleist tip sits in the club head. Which is more that the 4” everyone is saying. Is it possible to do the opposite of tipping and shim the shaft into the adapater? Or was the shaft not installed all the way into the adapter?
 

 

[third-times-a-charm]

1 hour ago, jvlehigh said:

I just bought a Ventus blue 6x shaft online. I measure 4.5” from the e to to where the titleist tip sits in the club head. Which is more that the 4” everyone is saying. Is it possible to do the opposite of tipping and shim the shaft into the adapater? Or was the shaft not installed all the way into the adapter?
 

 

Could be a counterfeit/fake shaft. Do all the graphics line up perfectly? The fakes are off on the measurements and etc.

[Pastit]

2 hours ago, jvlehigh said:

I just bought a Ventus blue 6x shaft online. I measure 4.5” from the e to to where the titleist tip sits in the club head. Which is more that the 4” everyone is saying. Is it possible to do the opposite of tipping and shim the shaft into the adapater? Or was the shaft not installed all the way into the adapter?
 

 

My TM’s which are genuine have similar dims to that you quote. Why not just get a friendly pro to hit the club, he’ll soon tell you if it’s OK. 

[taki27]

11 hours ago, jvlehigh said:

I just bought a Ventus blue 6x shaft online. I measure 4.5” from the e to to where the titleist tip sits in the club head. Which is more that the 4” everyone is saying. Is it possible to do the opposite of tipping and shim the shaft into the adapater? Or was the shaft not installed all the way into the adapter?
 

 

From what I gather from this thread, it is 4 inches tipped from the “e” to the tip.  Don’t assume that the shaft gets inserted all the way to the end of the adapter.  Usually it doesn’t.  That adapter in the photo is almost 3 inches long.  Standard hosel depth is 1.25 or so. It’s also not unusual for their to be a tip weight (though you would need to make sure there is enough shaft insertion but that is for another day).  Just doing some easy math and assumptions It looks like it was just inserted with no tipping, or minimal tipping.

Edited September 8, 2023 by taki27
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[jblough99]

57 minutes ago, taki27 said:

From what I gather from this thread, it is 4 inches tipped from the “e” to the tip.  Don’t assume that the shaft gets inserted all the way to the end of the adapter.  Usually it doesn’t.  That adapter in the photo is almost 3 inches long.  Standard hosel depth is 1.25 or so. It’s also not unusual for their to be a tip weight (though you would need to make sure there is enough shaft insertion but that is for another day).  Just doing some easy math and assumptions It looks like it was just inserted with no tipping, or minimal tipping.

Something is up with that shaft.  I’ve had more Velocore shafts than I can count, brand new shafts are 100% 4” from the E to the end without an adapter installed.  The photo below shows where a shaft at full insertion would end in a Titleist adapter.  You have an extra 1/2” that’s unaccounted for.  I’ve never seen a graphite tip weight that adds 1/2”, maybe 1/4” max.  Another option is the shaft isn’t inserted fully, not likely but possible.  Third option is it’s a fake.  Considering the popularity, these are being counterfeited as fast as they can be made.  Check out the popular Chinese “wholesale” sites and you’ll see what I mean.

 

Only real way to find out what’s going on is to pull the adapter and see what’s going on.

 

Edited September 9, 2023 by jblough99

[jvlehigh]

13 minutes ago, jblough99 said:

Something is up with that shaft.  I’ve had more Velocore shafts than I can count, brand new shafts are 100% 4” from the E to the end without an adapter installed.  The photo below shows where a shaft at full insertion would end in a Titleist adapter.  You have an extra 1/2” that’s unaccounted for.  I’ve never seen a graphite tip weight that adds 1/2”, maybe 1/4” max.  Another option is the shaft isn’t inserted fully, not likely but possible.  Third option is it’s a fake.  Considering the popularity, these are being counterfeited as fast as they can be made.  Check out the popular Chinese “wholesale” sites and you’ll see what I mean.

 

Only real way to find out what’s going on is to pull the adapter and see what’s going on.

 

I don’t know enough about club building to pull the shaft. And other ways I can tell if the shaft is fake from graphics or any other things? 
 

it feels good when I hit it.  It I haven’t have a Ventus before, so not much to compare to. 

[ARL67]

I've had many Velocores too and 4" is the number untipped.

 

Maybe the previous owner had it butt trimmed too short so didn't insert it all the way in order to make it play longer.  However leaving 1/2" of empty space in there is surely way too much, and putting a lot of force on the little amount of tip that is inserted.

 

Could you pull the grip and see if there is a factory label at the butt end ?   If it is there then at least you have the peace of mind that the shaft is legit.  I'd head to a golf shop to pull the tip, check things out, and install a proper butt shaft extension.

[muniman]

So...can anyone tell me how much this is tipped? Thank you in advance. 

[third-times-a-charm]

4 hours ago, muniman said:

So...can anyone tell me how much this is tipped? Thank you in advance. 

Approx 1.5-1.75" is my estimation.

[muniman]

26 minutes ago, third-times-a-charm said:

Approx 1.5-1.75" is my estimation.

Thank you!

[allenartlab]

Great information and exactly what I'm looking for! 

Hi Experts: To make sure I understand. I measured my ventus blue shaft with Taylormade adapter and it's about 3.625 inches from the tip to edge of letter "e" of velocore print. So it is tipped about 1 inch and likely the default used by Taylormade. Corret?

[cardoustie]

Just got a UW .. red 8x tr, there’s only 7/8” of space between hosel (not the ferrule) and the e in velocore … tipped 2”?  2.5” ? Can anyone verify ?

 

not sure insertion depth on a Cally UW

 

[HeadCovered]

Just grab an uncut shaft and line it up side by side……. 
 

 

[David Miller]

Anyone know if the new velocore+ shafts have the same measurements to the last "e"?

 

Thanks, 

[Whatnogarnish]

 Hey dudes. 
 

Got this off a fellow member here. Said it was tipped 1/2”, but this is not tipped, correct?

 

this is a TR

 

[Golf Pig]

On 3/25/2025 at 8:27 AM, David Miller said:

Anyone know if the new velocore+ shafts have the same measurements to the last "e"?

 

4-1/4" on the new +