Bryson says he is now compressing dimple edges on putts

[TiScape]

13 minutes ago, longjohnpeter said:

The salt is heavy with everyone here

Like I responded to Lefty. Not so much people are just salty, they are just fed up with Bryson I think. I honestly think people here liked Bryson and or want to like him. No doubt he’s a huge talent on the course. It’s just with every incident, (been covered at nauseam so not gonna go over the list) people have lost more and more respect for him and he’s gotten harder and harder to root for. So yeah, people are indeed salty towards him. Hard to say he’s not responsible for filling the shaker. 🧂 🤷🏼‍♂️

[straightshot7]

24 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Like I responded to Lefty. Not so much people are just salty, they are just fed up with Bryson I think. I honestly think people here liked Bryson and or want to like him. No doubt he’s a huge talent on the course. It’s just with every incident, (been covered at nauseam so not gonna go over the list) people have lost more and more respect for him and he’s gotten harder and harder to root for. So yeah, people are indeed salty towards him. Hard to say he’s not responsible for filling the shaker. 🧂🤷🏼‍♂️

There’s really nothing wrong with his comments about golf dimples though. 
 

maybe he is correct. 
 

We can’t fault a professional golfer for trying to remove factors that might be causing them to miss short putts

[TiScape]

4 minutes ago, straightshot7 said:

There’s really nothing wrong with his comments about golf dimples though. 
 

maybe he is correct. 
 

We can’t fault a professional golfer for trying to remove factors that might be causing them to miss short putts

Oh no. I’m speaking in general. So he doesn’t get a fair shake even if his comments kinda make sense. Just my opinion. You are all entitled to yours 😊 Valid or not, to me it comes of as an excuse. Again, his history drives that more for me 🤷🏼‍♂️

Edited October 10, 2021 by TiScape

[Paybax]

3 hours ago, lefty1978 said:

Bryson living rent free in wrx'ers heads.

Yup. They are so dumb that they think people smarter than them with data to back it up are dumb. 🤷‍♂️

[Paybax]

1 hour ago, PHILsThemannnn said:

Please stop Bryson! People started liking you after the Ryder Cup. Just shut up and try to drive the ball 500 yards

You should be the one stopping. All of your posts are hating on him. 

[straightshot7]

5 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Oh no. I’m speaking in general. So he doesn’t get a fair shake even if his comments kinda make sense. Just my opinion. You are all entitled to yours 😊 Valid or not, to me it comes of as an excuse. Again, his history drives that more for me 🤷🏼‍♂️

I agree he doesn’t get a fair shake even if his comments kinda make sense.

 

I’m just saying I’m all for criticizing him when he deserves it...

 

but going after him over these dimple comments is just silly. It wasn’t that big of a deal. 

[MtlJeff]

I think part of him is OCD with this this stuff, and part of him likes saying it for the reaction ...and the "he's such a scientist" from the announcers. It can be a bit of both

[Soloman1]

I think the solution can be using electromagnetic force by adding magnets in both his putter head and the ball. The putter head and ball will never collide. It will take some practice, but we could on to something new you can spend even more money on to improve your score by eliminating the dimple dilemma.

[Valtiel]

Ok cool but...



...this is his putter face. Are we factoring in "groove error" on top of "dimple error", or does that not exist? What about the paint error from all the schmutz on the face? 😅

[NJBigFish22]

We have more than enough annoying people talking about science these days.  Whatever floats Bryson’s boat.  Personally if I was a guy that makes millions in his 20’s, and this is what I think about, I might kick my own a**.  He should focus on getting a hot chick, (if she has dimples that’s a plus), and a few beers and have some fun, scientifically speaking.

Edited October 11, 2021 by NJBigFish22

[stingerfade]

2 hours ago, Paybax said:

Yup. They are so dumb that they think people smarter than them with data to back it up are dumb. 🤷‍♂️

Maybe when you use scientific terms and name back muscles you should use them correctly and name the correct muscles especially if you’re trying to look smart? Just a thought. 

[PZero]

Everyone has doubted him from the get go with the single length irons. He's a tour player, tour winner, major winner, Ryder Cup champion, etc etc

 

Who cares if it sounds weird, stop doubting him, it's probably true.

[golfandfishing]

10 minutes ago, PZero said:

 

 

Who cares if it sounds weird, stop doubting him, it's probably true.

This is how preachers were once allowed to burn witches…… 

[bscinstnct]

8 minutes ago, PZero said:

Everyone has doubted him from the get go with the single length irons. He's a tour player, tour winner, major winner, Ryder Cup champion, etc etc

 

Who cares if it sounds weird, stop doubting him, it's probably true.

We need like an engineer to chime in.

 

Given all the variables, how much can this dimple factor actually affect the accuracy of a putt?

 

Like on a 4 footer. Can it cause a 1mm change? Or is it more like .01mm? Or even less.

[bekgolf]

Where does Bryson rank in putting on the PGA Tour?  Always looks like he's putting well when I watch.

[bladehunter]

8 hours ago, tacklingdummy said:

I tend to agree with him. There are times when you hit short putts and you know you hit them with a square face on the sweet spot, but they immediately come off the face off line with odd draw or fade spin. I used to think it was solely grain (which does have a measurable effect), but I have had it happen on down grain putts, so it was puzzling. Also, he is right if you do bounce a golf ball close to a surface, it has a hard time bouncing directly vertical. It bounces askew. The higher you bounce a golf ball from surface, it bounces more predictably vertical. I think there is something to it. 

 

I agree.  I hate to agree with him. But I already knew this. Thought it was common knowledge.    All you have to do is bounce a ball on your putter face and watch it.  It rarely bounces the same exact way twice. And I’ve suspected that different dimple designs are worse than others. His Bridgestone ball has sharp edged dimples. 

[stingerfade]

15 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I agree.  I hate to agree with him. But I already knew this. Thought it was common knowledge.    All you have to do is bounce a ball on your putter face and watch it.  It rarely bounces the same exact way twice. And I’ve suspected that different dimple designs are worse than others. His Bridgestone ball has sharp edged dimples. 

His ball has high MOI dimples 

[Quasimoto]

So, BDC, just hit the ball to 20’ and you need not be concerned with dimple squash from 5’.

[bladehunter]

Here is edge of a dimple vs dead on a dimple with Bryson’s ball brand.  The ball will oscillate quite a bit from dead middle of a dimple to the peak of the edge of a dimple.  No way it’s not a difference in strike. 

[Valtiel]

1 hour ago, PZero said:

Everyone has doubted him from the get go with the single length irons. He's a tour player, tour winner, major winner, Ryder Cup champion, etc etc

 

Who cares if it sounds weird, stop doubting him, it's probably true.

There has actually been a number of interesting videos/discussions on the idea of intelligence and how we perceive it, the general idea being that we often fall into the trap of viewing people as universally/innately intelligent when in fact their specialty might actually be in a very small area. There are certainly people with broad intelligence and the self awareness to recognize when they are or are not "in their lane" so to speak, but there are many objectively brilliant people throughout history who were also cripplingly inept in other areas but were taken seriously because they MUST be on to something. This is especially true when we mix the ideas of success/accomplishment in with that. The moral of the story basically is.....Bryson's skill as a golfer does not mean his ideas related science/physics have any more merit than anyone else's, especially since the number of times he has put his foot in his mouth suggests he may have more of a "pop science" approach as opposed to anything more rigorous. 

[Valtiel]

28 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Here is edge of a dimple vs dead on a dimple with Bryson’s ball brand.  The ball will oscillate quite a bit from dead middle of a dimple to the peak of the edge of a dimple.  No way it’s not a difference in strike. 

Surely this would mean that irregularities on the putter face itself would just as consequential, yeah?

[bladehunter]

11 minutes ago, Valtiel said:

Surely this would mean that irregularities on the putter face itself would just as consequential, yeah?

I’m not trying to state factual data.  I have no study to cite.  I’m just showing that I’ve had the same hunch.   And this is why …. ( see pic) I use this ball too.  I don’t disagree. Some putter faces could likely compound the issue. 

 

Plus that I’ve noticed the “ wtf” moments with a short putt where  it just jumps one way or another. You’re not hitting  it hard enough to make it do some of the craziness I’ve seen.  Almost as if you had a tiny pebble or grain of sand on the face. ( but I wipe mine with my hand religiously)  …and my putter is a smooth face mill.  Almost smooth as tigers.  You can’t pick a milling grove with your finger nail it’s so faint.  And it passes the straight edge test. So flat as flat can really be.   So the only other variable is the ball surface.  
 

What he’s saying about compression makes sense . On long putts you squish the ball enough to deform it flat on the impact point.  So it’s less noticeable. 

[Valtiel]

11 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I’m not trying to state factual data.  I have no study to cite.  I’m just showing that I’ve had the same hunch.   And this is why …. ( see pic) I use this ball too.  I don’t disagree. Some putter faces could likely compound the issue. 

 

Plus that I’ve noticed the “ wtf” moments with a short putt where  it just jumps one way or another. You’re not hitting  it hard enough to make it do some of the craziness I’ve seen.  Almost as if you had a tiny pebble or grain of sand on the face. ( but I wipe mine with my hand religiously)  …and my putter is a smooth face mill.  Almost smooth as tigers.  You can’t pick a milling grove with your finger nail it’s so faint.  And it passes the straight edge test. So flat as flat can really be.   So the only other variable is the ball surface.  
 

What he’s saying about compression makes sense . On long putts you squish the ball enough to deform it flat on the impact point.  So it’s less noticeable. 

Gotcha. I don't have anything to cite either other than the idea that if one imperfect surface (ball) can cause this then surely another imperfect surface (face) can do the same, and to a greater degree since i'd imagine you aren't compressing any of those imperfections out of the face with speed, especially when simply dealing with milled steel. 

[puttingmatt]

Its all interesting, not certain what anyone can conclude from it. And what would  anyone change on the ball dimples. They are there for other reasons, related to ballflight.

 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by puttingmatt

[grm24]

I wonder how many thousands of short putts BDC has made in his lifetime in spite of hitting the dimple incorrectly. LOL! Same with all of us.

[pjm]

4 hours ago, Valtiel said:

Ok cool but...



...this is his putter face. Are we factoring in "groove error" on top of "dimple error", or does that not exist? What about the paint error from all the schmutz on the face? 😅

Maybe the ugly weld repels the ball?

[munichop]

Years ago callaway had a “red” version and a “blue” version of one of their balls. For whatever reason they had pretty sharp hex dimple edges and I was convinced it hurt me on short putts; so much so I stopped using them. 
in the same way when you had to leave the pin in during covid I was fine until I started missing short putts so I couldn’t wait to take the pin out on putts inside 10 feet. 
the point is if you think it matters then it matters. 
my solution to many of these issues is to buy another putter…

I am on a good streak currently with a 10 dollar component confidence putter.  This putter head was in my garage for 2 years waiting to be discovered. Golf and especially putting is a mystery.

[JungleJimbo]

4 hours ago, Valtiel said:

Ok cool but...



...this is his putter face. Are we factoring in "groove error" on top of "dimple error", or does that not exist? What about the paint error from all the schmutz on the face? 😅

@Valtiel Interesting photo of BDC's putter face, thanks for sharing.

The toppling alignment Line (vs BDC's impact mark) intrigues me ...

ie i've often  heard that the sweetspot = a bit inside of the centre alignment ....
if so, then wouldn't he (and we) putt better if we had a double-/triple- alignment line (e.g. the original Rossie... rather than have our eyes focus on an alignment line that =/= the sweetspot?)

[MattyO1984]

My 8,000 post on here.

 

If you copied all of them, pasted  them and then randomised every single word, they would still make more sense than Bryson. 

[JaNelson38]

I find it funny how so many people think professional golfers - who spend hours upon hours to get their equipment tailored to exact specificity with regards to lie, loft, launch angle, spin, etc - suddenly think stuff like this regarding the golf ball is somehow overly scientific.

 

Is Bryson full of crap?  I don't know.  But I do know every pro who is teeing it up this weekend at the CJ Cup will have a trackman on them while they hit on the range.  Every tour player who sees a equipment rep for a fresh wedge or a different driver shaft will have specifications to the tenth of a degree or a single gram of weight that they are expected to fulfill.  Pretty much every player who is putting on the practice green will either have a teacher or some sort of putting aid on the green helping with things like speed and aim.  And every player who tries out a prototype golf ball will be looking at every single detail before putting it in play.

 

Studying the characteristics of a golf ball is hardly something that tour professionals ignore.  Switching ball makes and brands has wrecked careers on Tour.  Why is looking at or studying how a golf ball reacts off the putter face any different?

Edited October 11, 2021 by JaNelson38