Jack Nicklaus Sued by the Nicklaus Companies. 6/6/22 Update: Norman Calls out "Hypocrite" Nicklaus

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

Golfers have been suckers for "branding" and identification with players and what they play since some chop probably asked Tom Morris to make him a ball just like he played, lol.  You recall the successful empire built by Arnold Palmer?  If not, watch the documentary - those of us not quite old enough to remember his absolute heyday with marketing, still remember those Pennzoil commercials. More so in the current era - "what were those shoelaces in JT's FJs?",  "what time to I have to log in to pay $$$$$ for a Tiger Frank shirt", "what were those buttons made of on Harry Higgs' trousers - I was only looking for fashion reasons!" 

 

 

Mr Palmer was a marketing genius and with his persona of a champion of the working man it all fell into place. And I have seen some great clubs with his signature on them then I have seen some junk too. But hey American Capitalism at it's finest. I do not fault him one bit for making a buck when available. 

[BIG STU]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

One thing I’ll bet @BIG STU and others will agree on is that Jack made some nice butter knives. 
 

 

Yep Macgregor made some nice butter knives and that is what Jack played. I am not sure when those were made if Jack was a partial owner of the company or not--- Sharp eye my friend you saw on my signature I am playing a set front line

[BIG STU]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye77 said:

I wouldn't buy them because I have a specific ball I like to play, but a bit of a disagreement my friend . . .

 

Nicklaus marketed those balls as balls to play from "your" tees, both an effort to market the balls by skill level and an effort to suggest appropriate tees be played as well - it didn't really work, but it was a little outside the box and he should get credit for at least trying it even if it wasn't the best idea.

 

In general, he's always complained about the ball going too far but he's not going to sell balatas and old style blades if he is in the equipment business and I don't see a "moral" obligation to do so.  If the ball was "rolled back" I'm sure he'd be among the first to embrace it, wouldn't fight it, etc.  -- probably a lot of the Nicklaus "whites" in the warehouse! 😉

 

I'll stay out of the distance "debate" in general, however, those arguments don't seem to go well. 😀

I honestly never saw even one of those balls in the flesh so to speak--- And me living in a golf Tourist Mecca you would have thought I would have found at least one. LOL maybe better players played them that did not lose them (shrug) Yep I do not get into the distance debate. At 64 with a bad back I need all the help I can get. But seriously I watch golf on TV and it does not matter to me how far they hit the ball now. Ya still have to get it into the hole in as few of strokes as possible

[Go Cougs]

2 hours ago, Fairways_and_Greens said:

Too bad his “Golden Shower” bathroom fixtures brand never took off. 

That one was Barb's idea.

 

More of a fringe product.  But let me tell you, in certain markets business is booming!

[aenemated]

5 hours ago, mat562 said:

I may be in the minority here, and a PR or marketing guru may be able to prove my opinions and buying habits wrong with statistics, but I have a lower opinion of a company that thinks it can persuade me to buy their confectionary product simply because they slap a famous golfer's name and face on the tubs than I do of the famous golfer who allegedly fails to turn up to have his photo taken for the tubs.

 

You are now aware that there is a particular ice cream company. You might not remember the name of said company but if you're in a store looking around for ice cream and there're 100 options of ice cream; you may very well be "Oh, I know that one there - it's the one with the terribly Photoshopped photo of Jack Nicklaus - who I know because I am a fan of golf - holding it."

 

That brand stands out just a bit more. The campaign has now succeeded.

 

As I've said many times; endorsements are not "Buy this thing because this famous person likes it." It's "I know this is a thing that exists because I saw it once with a famous person I am aware of."

 

You don't know that ice cream. But you know Jack Nicklaus. 

 

This is why endorsements are worth so much. It's leveraging a known quantity. I couldn't tell you the first thing about the tub of chocolate ice cream in my freezer right now. All I know is that it's chocolate and it's delicious. But if you ask me right now "Hey aenemated, I hear you have delicious chocolate ice cream. What is it?" my answer would be "I dunno dude, it's chocolate ice cream." 

 

But if it were, in fact, the chocolate ice cream that Jack is hocking, I'd be like "Oh, it's Jack Nicklaus' chocolate ice cream!" 

 

Of the bazillion ice creams in the world; I was able to identify that one for you. And because we're fans of golf; you got it and you remembered it. 

Edited May 29, 2022 by aenemated

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, BIG STU said:

Yep Macgregor made some nice butter knives and that is what Jack played. I am not sure when those were made if Jack was a partial owner of the company or not--- Sharp eye my friend you saw on my signature I am playing a set front line

Yep, he owned the company at the time!

[One Putter]

Wonder if Jack will have anything spicy for us at the Memorial?

[TiScape]

42 minutes ago, aenemated said:

 

You are now aware that there is a particular ice cream company. You might not remember the name of said company but if you're in a store looking around for ice cream and there're 100 options of ice cream; you may very well be "Oh, I know that one there - it's the one with the terribly Photoshopped photo of Jack Nicklaus - who I know because I am a fan of golf - holding it."

 

That brand stands out just a bit more. The campaign has now succeeded.

 

As I've said many times; endorsements are not "Buy this thing because this famous person likes it." It's "I know this is a thing that exists because I saw it once with a famous person I am aware of."

 

You don't know that ice cream. But you know Jack Nicklaus. 

 

This is why endorsements are worth so much. It's leveraging a known quantity. I couldn't tell you the first thing about the tub of chocolate ice cream in my freezer right now. All I know is that it's chocolate and it's delicious. But if you ask me right now "Hey aenemated, I hear you have delicious chocolate ice cream. What is it?" my answer would be "I dunno dude, it's chocolate ice cream." 

 

But if it were, in fact, the chocolate ice cream that Jack is hocking, I'd be like "Oh, it's Jack Nicklaus' chocolate ice cream!" 

 

Of the bazillion ice creams in the world; I was able to identify that one for you. And because we're fans of golf; you got it and you remembered it. 

Funny. I see ice cream from a pro golfer I’m gonna assume he doesn’t know as much about ice cream as Ben or Jerry and steer clear! 😂 But then again, I am a golf fan. Far too sophisticated to fall for this marketing hokus pokus than say a basketball fan as @BottleCap said. Whatever the heck that is supposed to mean. 🙄

[ChipStrokes]

20 minutes ago, One Putter said:

Wonder if Jack will have anything spicy for us at the Memorial?

because if there’s one thing old white men are known for, it’s spice!

[TiScape]

9 minutes ago, ChipStrokes said:

because if there’s one thing old white men are known for, it’s spice!

Oh man that’s spicy! Yeah, there’s onion in there dad. 👴🏼 😂 

[bscinstnct]

14 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Funny. I see ice cream from a pro golfer I’m gonna assume he doesn’t know as much about ice cream as Ben or Jerry and steer clear! 😂 But then again, I am a golf fan. Far too sophisticated to fall for this marketing hokus pokus than say a basketball fan as @BottleCap said. Whatever the heck that is supposed to mean. 🙄

 

Jack shoulda got it with these guys! 😃

 

 

[aenemated]

7 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Funny. I see ice cream from a pro golfer I’m gonna assume he doesn’t know as much about ice cream as Ben or Jerry and steer clear! 😂 

 

But what do ya REALLY know about Ben and Jerry though?

 

This one right here is brilliantly done and explains it all ...

 

 

 

[TiScape]

5 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Jack shoulda got it with these guys! 😃

 

 

That top pic. You’re a true artiste! 

[TiScape]

17 minutes ago, aenemated said:

 

But what do ya REALLY know about Ben and Jerry though?

 

This one right here is brilliantly done and explains it all ...

 

 

 

I know they make really good ice cream, are outta Vermont  and that they originally wanted to make bagels 🥯 ! And I see Chuck and think… 😆 

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by TiScape

[ChipStrokes]

41 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Jack shoulda got it with these guys! 😃

 

 

BSC you gotta hop on the merritt and get up my way, man. 

 

ferris acres creamery

 

 

[aenemated]

Yall are killin me with ice cream.

 

But us southerners know frozen custard is the best. 

[TiScape]

16 minutes ago, aenemated said:

Yall are killin me with ice cream.

 

But us southerners know frozen custard is the best. 

What’s the statute of limitations to referring to oneself as a “Southerner” after moving to the West Coast??? 😂 

[bscinstnct]

29 minutes ago, ChipStrokes said:

BSC you gotta hop on the merritt and get up my way, man. 

 

ferris acres creamery

 

 

Ya Hutch to the Merritt yo!

 

Ha, me grow up Westchester ; ) Most me knucklehead boys still there. Ahhh, the burbs, miss them sometimes…

[Greg_B]

6 hours ago, BIG STU said:

It has been well documented that the "Tourney" balls he used were actually rebadged Titleist. And then there was the deal where his company was selling those "Golden Bear" balls with different colored emblems for the different compressions all the time he was clamoring for a roll back of the ball. I mean seriously would you buy a ball from a man clamoring to roll back the ball?

 

I read many times over the years that what you stated here was not the case. The Tourney ball was notorious for being inconsistent, flying short, being out of round, and generally being one of the worst balls on the market. I found this Golfweek piece from 2009 that supports my statement:

 

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2009/11/25/looking-back-macgregors-golf-balls/

 

This article about MacGregor's demise in 2009 has more about the relationship between it and Jack:

 

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2009/12/14/macgregor-demise-american-classic/

 

 

 

[TiScape]

21 minutes ago, TiScape said:

What’s the statute of limitations to referring to oneself as a “Southerner” after moving to the West Coast??? 😂 

Never mind 

[scotee]

3 hours ago, One Putter said:

Wonder if Jack will have anything spicy for us at the Memorial?

 

I'm guessing crickets and a quiet settlement at some point.

[aenemated]

2 hours ago, TiScape said:

What’s the statute of limitations to referring to oneself as a “Southerner” after moving to the West Coast??? 😂 

 

Hahaha need about 2 more years to be able to say I've spent half my life out west 

 

[JimmyC59]

3 hours ago, ChipStrokes said:

BSC you gotta hop on the merritt and get up my way, man. 

 

ferris acres creamery

 

 

Ferris is really great, but I think Rich Farms in Oxford is even better.

[ChipStrokes]

Just now, JimmyC59 said:

Ferris is really great, but I think Rich Farms in Oxford is even better.

this is crazy. my neighbor just told me about rich’s this morning. 

 

we have a friend up in southbury, near oxford. next time we visit her we’re gonna try rich’s. 

 

i’m 3 minutes from ferris acres. it’s dangerous. 

[TiScape]

5 minutes ago, ChipStrokes said:

this is crazy. my neighbor just told me about rich’s this morning. 

 

we have a friend up in southbury, near oxford. next time we visit her we’re gonna try rich’s. 

 

i’m 3 minutes from ferris acres. it’s dangerous. 

Just Googled. Looks like a beautiful area. 

[miamistomp]

3 hours ago, aenemated said:

Yall are killin me with ice cream.

 

But us southerners know frozen custard is the best. 

 yep frozen custard

 

but the best I have had is Kohr Brothers in Ocean City, NJ

 

Been around since 1919

 

Edited May 29, 2022 by miamistomp
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[JimmyC59]

2 minutes ago, miamistomp said:

 yep frozen custard

 

but the beast I have had is Kohr Brothers in Ocean City, NJ

 

Been around since 1919

 

Grew up in Jersey, many times had Kohr's as a kid. The best!

[bscinstnct]

[nsxguy]

10 hours ago, BIG STU said:

It has been well documented that the "Tourney" balls he used were actually rebadged Titleist. And then there was the deal where his company was selling those "Golden Bear" balls with different colored emblems for the different compressions all the time he was clamoring for a roll back of the ball. I mean seriously would you buy a ball from a man clamoring to roll back the ball?

 

Link please. TIA

[ChipStrokes]

1 minute ago, nsxguy said:

 

Link please. TIA

good luck