Senior Open Championship

[OnTheBag]

Lovely Scottish summer weather.....  The coldest winter I've ever experienced were summers caddying on the then Euro, now DP Tour.  

[scott_Donald]

back on at 2000, timed it well to watch!

 

As a trend for this Scottish summer; been a very wet West side and a very dry East side to the country.

Edited July 24, 2022 by scott_Donald

[Pepperturbo]

I really enjoy the Senior Open event, especially when playing picturesque Links design courses with numerous blind shots with a lot of ball run out.  The Kings course looks to be a lot of challenging fun.  Wife already looked into a group going to Gleneagles next year.  Darren Clark plays my style of golf.

 

IMO American golfers have grown very lazy, continually looking for easier golf course designs, and ways to score.   Many courses in my area are being watered down, trees and bunkers being removed, greens losing contour, all cause of whiny golfers complain it's too hard.... what a shame.

[bladehunter]

So who won this ?  
 

i just got the dreaded DVr screwing.  Had it recorded.  Somewhere around the turn it changed to bicycle racing.  And I have no idea what Chanel it finished on.  Oh well. 

[mahonie]

42 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

So who won this ?  
 

i just got the dreaded DVr screwing.  Had it recorded.  Somewhere around the turn it changed to bicycle racing.  And I have no idea what Chanel it finished on.  Oh well. 

 

Clarke by one from Harrington 

[bladehunter]

10 minutes ago, mahonie said:

 

Clarke by one from Harrington 

Oh my !  Wow. Sorry I missed that.  Hope they replay it somewhere ! 

[mahonie]

14 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Oh my !  Wow. Sorry I missed that.  Hope they replay it somewhere ! 

I missed it myself as there was a rain delay that held up play for a while. Not wishing to post too many spoilers, Harrington played really well to put some pressure on...

[NormanFan]

Good to see Clarke back in the winner's circle.

[MUNIGRIT]

It was a great finish to the tournament. 

[mshills]

“I must ask, Darren, what are you going to put into the jug tonight?”

 

(Clarke’s eyes get large, huge smile, and doesn’t miss a beat.)

 

“OPTIONS!!!  I know it will be good!”

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, mahonie said:

I missed it myself as there was a rain delay that held up play for a while. Not wishing to post too many spoilers, Harrington played really well to put some pressure on...

No worries on spoilers for me. I like to know before. Lol. Makes me know it’s worth the time to watch.  

[grm24]

14 hours ago, iBanesto said:

 

Clarke won the Iberdrola Open on the European Tour in 2011.

 

That was the "1 other" win in 2011 "besides the Open win".

 

Unless you believe the Iberdola Open is a major tournament, then all good then.

 

I thought he only won The Open Championship in 2011.

[gvogel]

7 hours ago, So_Cal said:

I take back what I said about this course.  Maybe I have clouded judgement of Gleneagles from a previous Ryder or Solheim cup, perhaps on a different GE course.  This one looks absolutely fantastic and I would love to play it.  Really enjoy James Braid courses.  

YEs, they played a Ryder Cup on the Centenary Course, which was laid out by Jack Nicklaus.  It was almost criminal to allow him to add a course at Gleneagles.

 

Oddly enough, the ladies played an event, maybe the Scottish Women's Open, on the Centenary course.  They could have had much more fun playing the Kings.

[lowheel]

3 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Oh my !  Wow. Sorry I missed that.  Hope they replay it somewhere ! 

i think it will be on at 8 and midnight or 2 am

[bladehunter]

58 minutes ago, lowheel said:

i think it will be on at 8 and midnight or 2 am

Thanks.  I’ll record the 2 am one and watch in the morning.  

[BIG STU]

10 hours ago, Christosterone said:

Johnny Miller, Jack, and Colin Montgomerie are on my Mount Rushmore of swings…

 

I feel Monty had/has the best rhythm and tempo planet earth has ever seen…

 

At the height of his power, few have ever had a lovelier swing imho…still love watching him

 

-chris

I agree on swing and tempo. One of the few I have ever seen in the Reverse C era that does not have back problems. 

[Christosterone]

14 minutes ago, BIG STU said:

I agree on swing and tempo. One of the few I have ever seen in the Reverse C era that does not have back problems. 

Jack, miller, Jacklin, Tom watson, Seve, Norman, kite, Crenshaw, weiskopf, maggert, pate, Vijay,….

 

I could go on but the back pain is a myth…

 

kites was likely the most crazy of them all…

pennick loved jacks swing i reckon Ha

 

Kite did change to a stacked swing as he didn’t have the timing on wedges for this swing…he tended to block drives too and would get flippy to compensate and would start missing both ways…

 

anyhow, kites swing was badass as a reverse c and as a modern imho

 

Although this was my favorite version of his move….circa 1976

 

 

 

Edited July 25, 2022 by Christosterone

[BIG STU]

7 hours ago, Pepperturbo said:

I really enjoy the Senior Open event, especially when playing picturesque Links design courses with numerous blind shots with a lot of ball run out.  The Kings course looks to be a lot of challenging fun.  Wife already looked into a group going to Gleneagles next year.  Darren Clark plays my style of golf.

 

IMO American golfers have grown very lazy, continually looking for easier golf course designs, and ways to score.   Many courses in my area are being watered down, trees and bunkers being removed, greens losing contour, all cause of whiny golfers complain it's too hard.... what a shame.

Exactly what I told my wife last week watching The Open. St Andrews was in great shape as far as I was concerned. I told my wife if it was over here people would complain about some of the lies and of course the bunkers having to come out sideways etc. I told her golf was invented there and it was being played as it should be. Good example is my home course. It is not pristine like the resort courses but people complain. The Mens Groups will not play out of the bunkers and neither will they in the Scrambles. Our bunkers are not pristine but IMHO playable. When I play my vintage rounds or regular rounds I play out of them. Makes it interesting and challenging for me

[BIG STU]

52 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Thanks.  I’ll record the 2 am one and watch in the morning.  

I might watch since I slept all afternoon and just got up. My sleep patterns have been crazy lately but according to the Docs because they run my CPAT machine when I sleep my pattern is great and I sleep good

[aenemated]

18 minutes ago, Christosterone said:

Jack, miller, Jacklin, Tom watson, Seve, Norman, kite, Crenshaw, weiskopf, maggert, pate, Vijay,….

 

I could go on but the back pain is a myth…

 

kites was likely the most crazy of them all…

pennick loved jacks swing i reckon Ha

 

Kite did change to a stacked swing as he didn’t have the timing on wedges for this swing…he tended to block drives too and would get flippy to compensate and would start missing both ways…

 

anyhow, kites swing was badass as a reverse c and as a modern imho

 

Although this was my favorite version of his move….circa 1976

 

 

 

 

Wow, I didn't know Elton John had such a lovely swing.

 

... oh wait. 

 

(Congrats Darren!) 

[iBanesto]

18 hours ago, Pastit said:

I’m easy on the winner choice between Broady and Clarkey. Always followed Broady after he pipped my player ( I caddied ) in the Lytham Trophy in 1987. We lost a ball on the last to drop 2 shots. Great his unorthodox swing brings results in the States at his age. 
 

As for Monty, took him a while to get going as a pro but his record and belly point to success.

 

Many of us knowing David Curry can’t forgive Monty for his gamesmanship in the British Amateur. 

 

Is this the same year when Olazabal won the British Amateur?

 

 

[Pastit]

13 minutes ago, iBanesto said:

 

Is this the same year when Olazabal won the British Amateur?

 

 

That’s correct I’m sure. Monty lost a lot of respect in not advising DC he’d replaced his ball in the wrong place on the green by not replacing his marker after shifting off his opponent’s line. Nasty issue and not the last with Monty.

 

Eg. Paying winnings in an Asian event to charity after cheating allegations. He only scraped a vote for the Hall of Fame ( 51% ). Press coverage 
 

“ Clearly, Monty had placed the new ball in the wrong spot — a location that was to his advantage, that improved his lie, that made his stance easy and the shot easier. Did he do so intentionally? That's where the cheating accusation comes in. Some observers believe Monty had to know what he was doing in moving the golf ball an estimated (based on videotape) one foot or so away from its original spot. He must have known because a) it was one foot, rather than a matter of a few inches; and b) surely it would have clicked to him that his stance was suddenly very easy.

Monty cheated: That's what some at the time believed, that's what some today believe.

Tour officials, however, viewed videotape, after Kjeldsen and others brought the incident to light, and made a determination that no rules had been broken. Monty himself watched the video later on, and after doing so admitted he was wrong about the spot of the replacement golf ball. But he was adamant that it was unintentional. (The chief rules official of the European Tour reached the same conclusion, but only after the tournament ended, negating any 2-stroke penalty that might have applied at the time.) Montgomerie apologized, and he donated his paycheck for the tournament to a local charity.”

Edited July 25, 2022 by Pastit

[iBanesto]

4 minutes ago, Pastit said:

That’s correct I’m sure. Monty lost a lot of respect in not advising DC he’d replaced his ball in the wrong place on the green by not replacing his marker after shifting off his opponent’s line. Nasty issue and not the last with Monty.

 

Eg. Paying winnings in an Asian event to charity after cheating allegations. 

 

What was the round and final score for the match?

 

At least Ollie got the win in the end, Monty still is unhappy he didn't win the British Amateur.

[Pastit]

12 minutes ago, iBanesto said:

 

What was the round and final score for the match?

 

At least Ollie got the win in the end, Monty still is unhappy he didn't win the British Amateur.

There’s a complete record of the BA on the Web, if I can’t find it for you I’ll get it from my books. DC went onto win the following year I think. Must be the record win. Only one ET win though, short hitter - good putter, pity.
 

1989	Royal Birkdale Golf Club	Stephen Dodd	Wales	5 & 3	Craig Cassells
1988	Royal Porthcawl Golf Club	Cristian Härdin	Sweden	1 up	Ben Fouchee
1987	Prestwick Golf Club	Paul Mayo	Wales	3 & 1	Peter McEvoy
1986	Royal Lytham & St. Annes Golf Club	David Curry	England	11 & 9	Geoff Birtwell
1985	Royal Dornoch Golf Club	Garth McGimpsey	Northern Ireland	8 & 7	Graham Homewood
1984	Formby Golf Club	José María Olazábal	Spain	5 & 4	Colin Montgomerie

Monty never won a real Major either - having mishit that 7i with Mickelson and Kenny Ferry. One complicated chap - snog - marry - avoid.

 

ps I’ve added the Asian press report above.

Edited July 25, 2022 by Pastit

[Dave230]

Clarke and Harrington top 2, doesn't get much better than that!

 

Harrington is remarkably long for his age, way longer than he was at his peak. It shows the long driving can be practiced and trained as a skill.

[BIG STU]

25 minutes ago, Dave230 said:

Clarke and Harrington top 2, doesn't get much better than that!

 

Harrington is remarkably long for his age, way longer than he was at his peak. It shows the long driving can be practiced and trained as a skill.

Oh yes he has trained and built his body up to it. Watch him with the driver he will do 5 practice swings getting faster with each swing. That way he builds up to it without hurting himself

[iBanesto]

26 minutes ago, Pastit said:

There’s a complete record of the BA on the Web, if I can’t find it for you I’ll get it from my books. DC went onto win the following year I think. Must be the record win. Only one ET win though, short hitter - good putter, pity.
 

1989	Royal Birkdale Golf Club	Stephen Dodd	Wales	5 & 3	Craig Cassells
1988	Royal Porthcawl Golf Club	Cristian Härdin	Sweden	1 up	Ben Fouchee
1987	Prestwick Golf Club	Paul Mayo	Wales	3 & 1	Peter McEvoy
1986	Royal Lytham & St. Annes Golf Club	David Curry	England	11 & 9	Geoff Birtwell
1985	Royal Dornoch Golf Club	Garth McGimpsey	Northern Ireland	8 & 7	Graham Homewood
1984	Formby Golf Club	José María Olazábal	Spain	5 & 4	Colin Montgomerie

Monty never won a real Major either - having mishit that 7i with Mickelson and Kenny Ferry. One complicated chap - snog - marry - avoid.

 

ps I’ve added the Asian press report above.

 

I meant the score and round (e.g. 1st, 2nd, QF etc.) between your boy and Monty when he didn't replace his marker.

 

 

[Pastit]

19 minutes ago, iBanesto said:

 

I meant the score and round (e.g. 1st, 2nd, QF etc.) between your boy and Monty when he didn't replace his marker.

 

 

I know but I’d have to go through the newspaper archive or my old books. I’ll PM you when I find out. Cheers ps DC worked down the road from me until recently, as a chef, not sure where he is now, I’m playing today so I’ll try and find him. He’s still local. 

[MUNIGRIT]

9 hours ago, Dave230 said:

Clarke and Harrington top 2, doesn't get much better than that!

 

Harrington is remarkably long for his age, way longer than he was at his peak. It shows the long driving can be practiced and trained as a skill.

The problem is most people don't have the work ethic and desire to put into that Paddy does. If you have a HOF career like he has had there are very few who are willing to grind it out.

[MUNIGRIT]

15 hours ago, BIG STU said:

I agree on swing and tempo. One of the few I have ever seen in the Reverse C era that does not have back problems. 

He has a pretty good counter balance belly on the front side!