LIV Tour Discussion Thread (*** NO POLITICS ***)

[TiScape]

3 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

Several teams have merch deals with companies providing the team gear (Reebok, Greyson).  Same with the bags.

JCB (heavy equipment manufacturer) sponsored the UK event.  HSBC sponsors LIV as well.

The Reebok deal was a good one. I legit didn’t know Reebok was still in business! 

[johnseg]

24 minutes ago, TiScape said:

The Reebok deal was a good one. I legit didn’t know Reebok was still in business! 

They are huge in Crossfit.

[TiScape]

8 minutes ago, johnseg said:

They are huge in Crossfit.

I’d say, ‘were’ huge in CF. Back in the OG nano days. They lost the CF sponsorship and I now see more smaller, niche brands. 

Edited July 30 by TiScape

[johnseg]

6 minutes ago, TiScape said:

I’d say, ‘were’ huge in CF. Back in the OG nano days. They lost the CF sponsorship and I now see more smaller, niche brands. 

[StoutKing]

1 hour ago, TiScape said:

The Reebok deal was a good one. I legit didn’t know Reebok was still in business! 

Bryson was wearing them at the British

[TiScape]

5 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Bryson was wearing them at the British

Oh, I know.
Still say they missed the boat 🛥️ by not putting a lil golf ball pump on the tongue! 🤷🏼‍♂️ Reach down, give em a couple extra pumps b4 a big drive… That’s gold Jerry! 

Edited July 30 by TiScape

[bscinstnct]

1 hour ago, johnseg said:

They are huge in Crossfit.

 

The Hoff is huge in Germany!

 

 

 

🤣 🍻 

Edited July 30 by bscinstnct

[StoutKing]

1 hour ago, TiScape said:

Oh, I know.
Still say they missed the boat 🛥️ by not putting a lil golf ball pump on the tongue! 🤷🏼‍♂️ Reach down, give em a couple extra pumps b4 a big drive… That’s gold Jerry! 

Agree.  Those pumps made you jump higher.

[TiScape]

3 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Agree.  Those pumps made you jump higher.

My thinking after I posted. 
The sweet spot demo for Bryson is too young to remember the OG pumps.

 

*but then again, the ones that think his persona is genuine would also most likely buy into a pump or two actually helping them hit it further… 🤔 

Edited July 30 by TiScape

[StoutKing]

Just now, TiScape said:

My thinking after I posted. 
The sweet spot demo for Bryson is too young to remember the OG pumps. 

Dee Brown.  Blind dunk

 

1 minute ago, TiScape said:

My thinking after I posted. 
The sweet spot demo for Bryson is too young to remember the OG pumps. 

 

[TiScape]

4 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Dee Brown.  Blind dunk

 

 

Oh yeah! The pump obvi also helps you see when one’s eyes 👀 are covered! Haha

[ThinkingPlus]

4 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

Fried Egg stuff on courses and Golf Digest discussions on architecture are solid content.

 

The more lenses through which I can enjoy Golf the better.  There has already come the day when I could care less about equipment and there will come a day when I am physically no longer able to play.  I am not entirely sure that I have not already plateaued at the "best" golf I will ever be able to play from a scoring and handicap standpoint.

The last thing I want to watch on YouTube would be architecture snobs. It's grass, sand, water, and trees. Hit the fairway, hit the green, two putt, and make par. Everything else is superfluous. 

[Shilgy]

16 hours ago, CDM said:

 

Well how players get out of position on the PGAT is pretty obvious.   They fall behind, but that never happens as we know as ALL of them for the most part play slow.  Yes a lot of money on the line but still.   So you dont see the gapping of groups to create "out of position"     

 

Again money on the line but watching a two some play 18 holes in 4.5 hours is pretty crazy. 

 

As to the "40 seconds to play a shot"  I thought was applied to the second / third players.  *depend on groupings

 

That at times is carzy as those players have been standing by their ball typically for the duration the of first player or the second player.  yes as noted circumstances apply if they are inline with another player to close but you can stand to the side and still do the math.  Then walk up, confirm your thoughts and pull the trigger...! 

Yes, 40 seconds is when they are on the clock.  There is a line in the Rules of Golf that mentions a player should play within 40 seconds and some seem to believe it is an actual rule when in fact it says in the rules it is a recommendation.

[notsohard]

On 7/30/2025 at 3:48 AM, bscinstnct said:

 

“But if LIV were what is was designed to be,”

 

No sport has every season game trying to be the Super Bowl. You have big games and mostly just good games. 
 

The top players obviously don’t believe in the LIV model or it wouldn’t take 100s of millions to get them to leave. 

 

All LIV has done is made a few guys rich and taken them off the pga tour and then… nobody watched them. 
 

Can Smith is a perfect example of why the liv model doesn’t work for golf. Great for his wallet though lol
 

 

 

There is always a method to madness.

LIV is upping prize money by another $5 million per tournament. What else is there to do with extra cash 😉

Then, the rumours will start around about this time of year. Another franchise to add to LIV?...PIF to buy DPWT and making each tournament a $15 million payout....since the PGAT deal is not happening? A couple more "not happy" golfers in the top 20 joining LIV?...oh dear, where do we stop...😀 

 

 

 

 

 

On 7/30/2025 at 4:54 AM, WesternRacing said:

LIV is the equivalent of a rich oil sheik paying for The Rolling Stones to play a private concert for him every weekend.  That’s all it is.  The fact that LIV survives is evidence of nothing other than the fact that said sheik is fine throwing money away.

 

Yes...those who own boats to catch a little fish know this, just that it's on a smaller scale 😉

Edited July 31 by notsohard

[drbonesvt]

11 hours ago, Holy Moses said:

LIV is the re-rack cure! Spread the news 😂.

Best sign I ever saw in a gym, “your mother doesn’t work here , stack and rack your weights”

[smashdn]

20 hours ago, ThinkingPlus said:

The last thing I want to watch on YouTube would be architecture snobs. It's grass, sand, water, and trees. Hit the fairway, hit the green, two putt, and make par. Everything else is superfluous. 

 

Hate that you feel that way.  That superfluous stuff goes a long way into making the grass, sand, water and trees function as intended.  And it is the intentions in those superfluous things that give us interesting places to hit fairway, green and putt as opposed to straight runways of grass and bunker left and bunker right.

 

I don't really have an interest in the architecture from a snobbery standpoint, I want to understand why what was built the way it was built and what crack of the door the architect left open to more easily play through.  Not all doglegs are best to cut.  Not all green designs are best to play to the middle.  Stuff like that.

Edited July 31 by smashdn

[TiScape]

1 hour ago, smashdn said:

 

Hate that you feel that way.  That superfluous stuff goes a long way into making the grass, sand, water and trees function as intended.  And it is the intentions in those superfluous things that give us interesting places to hit fairway, green and putt as opposed to straight runways of grass and bunker left and bunker right.

 

I don't really have in interest in the architecture from a snobbery standpoint, I want to understand why what was built the way it was built and what crack of the door the architect left open to more easily play through.  Not all doglegs are best to cut.  Not all green designs are best to play to the middle.  Stuff like that.

Apologize ahead of time for the admittedly sophomoric take. I just read & react.

Safe to say that’s the most times I’ve seen the word “superfluous” used on the site (any site). Fun word, tricky to pronounce. 

[bscinstnct]

13 hours ago, notsohard said:

There is always a method to madness.

LIV is upping prize money by another $5 million per tournament. What else is there to do with extra cash 😉

Then, the rumours will start around about this time of year. Another franchise to add to LIV?...PIF to buy DPWT and making each tournament a $15 million payout....since the PGAT deal is not happening? A couple more "not happy" golfers in the top 20 joining LIV?...oh dear, where do we stop...😀 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes...those who own boats to catch a little fish know this, just that it's on a smaller scale 😉

Ya LIV/PIF have learned that their original plan ain’t gonna happen. 
 

But, they are smart to let the market dictate where to pivot 

 

Overseas, more of a novelty exhibition league that brings golf around the world. 
 

It’s nowhere near the elite league they wanted initially, but it has some success for what it is. 
 

 

[smashdn]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

Ya LIV/PIF have learned that their original plan ain’t gonna happen. 
 

But, they are smart to let the market dictate where to pivot 

 

Overseas, more of a novelty exhibition league that brings golf around the world. 
 

It’s nowhere near the elite league they wanted initially, but it has some success for what it is. 
 

 

 

That is one of the best takes on it I have read.  I try to give it a chance.  My expectations are low in terms of competition.  I just don't need it to be the pinnacle of competition playing for "all the marbles" for me to watch and appreciate someone hitting a skillful golf shot.

 

I hope, not for LIV but for the areas of the globe that want it and appreciate it, that it keeps its foothold and continues to serve global golf.  If the already overserved US golf fan doesn't care that is still fine too.

[CDM]

2 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

That is one of the best takes on it I have read.  I try to give it a chance.  My expectations are low in terms of competition.  I just don't need it to be the pinnacle of competition playing for "all the marbles" for me to watch and appreciate someone hitting a skillful golf shot.

 

I hope, not for LIV but for the areas of the globe that want it and appreciate it, that it keeps its foothold and continues to serve global golf.  If the already overserved US golf fan doesn't care that is still fine too.

 

@bscinstnct is dead on serving other areas of the world.  Yet your post is spot on golf in the US is overserved.   

[WesternRacing]

28 minutes ago, CDM said:

 

@bscinstnct is dead on serving other areas of the world.  Yet your post is spot on golf in the US is overserved.   

 

The problem is there’s no money in serving most of the rest of the world.  The U.S. is far and away the largest golf market in the world.  If you can’t make it here, you’re going to be a small player at best, essentially something akin to the DPWT or the AsiaTour, neither of which is a highly valuable professional tour.  Is LIV’s brilliant pivot from trying to be the premier golf tour worldwide to instead being a massively money losing international tour targeting primarily the Asia Pacific region?  Is that really a winning strategy, in any use of the word ‘winning’ other than when it was uttered by a drunken Charlie Sheen?

[ThinkingPlus]

6 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

Hate that you feel that way.  That superfluous stuff goes a long way into making the grass, sand, water and trees function as intended.  And it is the intentions in those superfluous things that give us interesting places to hit fairway, green and putt as opposed to straight runways of grass and bunker left and bunker right.

 

I don't really have an interest in the architecture from a snobbery standpoint, I want to understand why what was built the way it was built and what crack of the door the architect left open to more easily play through.  Not all doglegs are best to cut.  Not all green designs are best to play to the middle.  Stuff like that.

You give dirt movers way too much credit. 

[smashdn]

55 minutes ago, WesternRacing said:

The problem is there’s no money in serving most of the rest of the world. 

 

I doubt the PIF is interested in being wholly altruistic, but perhaps LIV can make enough stateside to subsidize the other events. 

[smashdn]

2 minutes ago, ThinkingPlus said:

You give dirt movers way too much credit. 

 

What is the proper amount?  

[ThinkingPlus]

18 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

What is the proper amount?  

I would say they built a good course if they get the drainage right.

[WesternRacing]

43 minutes ago, smashdn said:

 

I doubt the PIF is interested in being wholly altruistic, but perhaps LIV can make enough stateside to subsidize the other events. 

 

Except they’re making less money in the U.S. than they are internationally.  Their best attended event has been Adelaide.

 

I continue to contend that talking about economics related to LIV is meaningless, as they don’t care about the economics of their league.  I’d say the same about strategy, as the purpose of a business strategy is typically to maximize profitability.  LIV failed at its initial business plan.  What it’s doing now is less about pivots or strategy and more about simply continued existence and filling space on their calendar.  If their decision to enter the South African market was about ‘strategy’, they should fire whoever came up with said ‘strategy’.

[bscinstnct]

2 hours ago, WesternRacing said:

 

Except they’re making less money in the U.S. than they are internationally.  Their best attended event has been Adelaide.

 

I continue to contend that talking about economics related to LIV is meaningless, as they don’t care about the economics of their league.  I’d say the same about strategy, as the purpose of a business strategy is typically to maximize profitability.  LIV failed at its initial business plan.  What it’s doing now is less about pivots or strategy and more about simply continued existence and filling space on their calendar.  If their decision to enter the South African market was about ‘strategy’, they should fire whoever came up with said ‘strategy’.

 

 

“I continue to contend that talking about economics related to LIV is meaningless, as they don’t care about the economics of their league.  I’d say the same about strategy,”

 

You do know this is the “LIV Tour discussion thread”?

 

🤣 🍻 

[WesternRacing]

14 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

 

“I continue to contend that talking about economics related to LIV is meaningless, as they don’t care about the economics of their league.  I’d say the same about strategy,”

 

You do know this is the “LIV Tour discussion thread”?

 

🤣 🍻 

 

Yes, and my contribution to it is reminding everyone that the PIF doesn’t care about the economics of LIV, so trying to dissect said economics and search for a strategy or a method to the madness is is a fools errand.

 

 

Edited August 1 by WesternRacing

[Mr.Cleeks]

On 7/30/2025 at 12:05 PM, smashdn said:

 

Several teams have merch deals with companies providing the team gear (Reebok, Greyson).  Same with the bags.

JCB (heavy equipment manufacturer) sponsored the UK event.  HSBC sponsors LIV as well.

Scott O'Neil deserves a lot of credit for the work he's done. I have no doubt that he's part of the reason the majors created a qualification pathway for the LIV guys.  LIV's already announced 5 events for the 2026 season. LIV also announced a broadcast deal with Fox the same week it was announced that Norman was stepping away from his day to day role. For the first time in a long time it felt like the focus at the majors was the golf not the LIV vs PGAT stuff. 

[notsohard]

14 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

Ya LIV/PIF have learned that their original plan ain’t gonna happen. 
 

But, they are smart to let the market dictate where to pivot 

 

Overseas, more of a novelty exhibition league that brings golf around the world. 
 

It’s nowhere near the elite league they wanted initially, but it has some success for what it is. 
 

 

Original plan is out the door. Now, what if PIF buy the DPWT, lift prize money to $15 million each tournament...and there is a lot of smoke about that...do you think that a lot of the guys on the PGAT who don't get a look-in to the 8 signature events may go and play the DPWT who will have that $15 million every tournament...plus the 72 holes comes into play for the LIV guys?