Tour Callaway Paradym driver - 2022 QBE Shootout

[eric61]

I'm a Callaway fan. I have the Apex UW and two Callaway wedges in my bag right now, plus a putter sometimes. I loved the Rogue ST lineup.  But personally -- and I'm not saying I'm right or wrong; this is just my opinion -- the looks on these Paradym drivers and fairway woods are a major step back from Callaway's products the last couple of years.

 

I actually really like the blue and gold. And while the spelling is silly, I don't hate the name. But it's that transition from matte gray to glossy blue on the crown that I really strongly dislike. 

 

I guess they probably had to do something like that with their new approach/the "360 carbon" thing, and maybe the abrubt transition is intentional to make the carbon stand out. But I just don't like it. (To be fair to Callaway, I never liked TaylorMade's white frame either. So this seems to be some sort of personal hang-up I have!) I wonder if maybe they could've gone with a frame that was similar to Cobra's peacoat blue color? I think that would've transitioned into the navy carbon a bit better than the gray. 

 

I'm also a bit bummed that Callaway isn't making its 8 degree TD driver head or the 3HL version of the Paradym 3 wood available for lefties. Oh well. I'll try them once they hit retail stores. And I do absolutely love the shape and the looks of the new hybrids! 

[tbowles411]

5 minutes ago, Wardman said:

Thx -

 

New to Rogue - so now with weights you can set draw and fade as well as with the adapter you can set draw?  On the one Paradym model?

Correct.  With the adapter and the weighting, the ball is going to move or correct.  Obviously, it won't fix bad technique, but it will help.  I loved my Rogue, but I'll probably love the Paradym more because it will help me do what my body won't let me do.  Stupid bad back!  LOL

[Esco9]

Is anyone watching this 30 minute long product infomercial pretty much of callaway? They’re claiming some BOLD stuff and idk maybe this is the way to connect with the new younger generation but I can’t take them serious

[radiman]

4 minutes ago, Esco9 said:

Is anyone watching this 30 minute long product infomercial pretty much of callaway? They’re claiming some BOLD stuff and idk maybe this is the way to connect with the new younger generation but I can’t take them serious

On Golf Channel?  I don't know that the younger generation has cable, let alone watches the Golf Channel. 

[Esco9]

Just now, radiman said:

On Golf Channel?  I don't know that the younger generation has cable, let alone watches the Golf Channel. 

Lol yeah it was on golf channel. I’m not bashing the driver just the event was different 

[Jimi Thing]

When I go through the initial YT reviews I see a lot of “this is a good product, but” type of reviews. They certainly are a lot more underwhelming as what Callaway is having us to believe. The buts are about looks, somewhat performance but certainly price value proposition. Not what Callaway hoped for I guess. 

[radiman]

Just now, Esco9 said:

Lol yeah it was on golf channel. I’m not bashing the driver just the event was different 

I got rid of cable years ago, so I don't have the Golf Channel haha (I am definitely not considered in the younger generation lol). 

[dodgyman]

Boy it sure feels like I’m In the minority here but I’m excited.
 

Maybe I just have realistic expectations, Rogue was amazing and this lineup seems to improve on it.

 

I game the epic speed which is a great shape but damn is it ugly, and these drivers look incredible in comparison. Even if it’s mot your cup of tea, I’m glad they took a risk, they will stand out in stores for sure.

 

Expecting anything game changing is unrealistic, but this lineup looks good enough to test against my gamer which is all Callaway can ask. 

[SwingBlues]

39 minutes ago, Esco9 said:

Is anyone watching this 30 minute long product infomercial pretty much of callaway? They’re claiming some BOLD stuff and idk maybe this is the way to connect with the new younger generation but I can’t take them serious

 

I watched 20 mins out of the 30 mins. It was "meh" at best, gained more knowledge of Paradym from this thread than you ever could on the infomercial.

 

Now as it was a Los Angeles event, if you are more into the celeb golfers or football/basketball celebs, it may have been your thing.

 

Can I have my 20 mins back, please?

[Cruisin1966]

1 hour ago, tbowles411 said:

. . ., but I'll probably love the Paradym more because it will help me do what my body won't let me do.  Stupid bad back!  LOL

 

Ditto.  Stupid bad back

[Gareth]

1 hour ago, elwhippy said:

Rogue STs on sale for £350. Paradym is £600. I fear Callaway are getting carried away. 

Yes, at £600 MSRP here in the UK it’s not a new driver I’m rushing to try/buy until I’ve tried the G430LST as the ‘23 release driver I’m really looking forward to trying.

 

And I say that as a huge Callaway driver fan of many years.

[UnderPar18]

Funny how Callaway states that pros won’t be getting one off driver models like in the past and it’s really just the 3 heads and then I see today on IG LOL!

 

 

[NewDecadeMultiCompound]

2 hours ago, eric61 said:

I'm a Callaway fan. I have the Apex UW and two Callaway wedges in my bag right now, plus a putter sometimes. I loved the Rogue ST lineup.  But personally -- and I'm not saying I'm right or wrong; this is just my opinion -- the looks on these Paradym drivers and fairway woods are a major step back from Callaway's products the last couple of years.

 

I actually really like the blue and gold. And while the spelling is silly, I don't hate the name. But it's that transition from matte gray to glossy blue on the crown that I really strongly dislike. 

 

I guess they probably had to do something like that with their new approach/the "360 carbon" thing, and maybe the abrubt transition is intentional to make the carbon stand out. But I just don't like it. (To be fair to Callaway, I never liked TaylorMade's white frame either. So this seems to be some sort of personal hang-up I have!) I wonder if maybe they could've gone with a frame that was similar to Cobra's peacoat blue color? I think that would've transitioned into the navy carbon a bit better than the gray. 

 

I'm also a bit bummed that Callaway isn't making its 8 degree TD driver head or the 3HL version of the Paradym 3 wood available for lefties. Oh well. I'll try them once they hit retail stores. And I do absolutely love the shape and the looks of the new hybrids! 

It might look a lot better if you put some of that clear protection tape/film used to protect drivers from sky marks, especially if you can get it cut to fit that matte area. 

[Gareth]

3 minutes ago, Glassmen61 said:

It might look a lot better if you put some of that clear protection tape/film used to protect drivers from sky marks, especially if you can get it cut to fit that matte area. 

What exact tape do you recommend please?

 

Asking for a friend. 😇

[NewDecadeMultiCompound]

4 minutes ago, Gareth said:

What exact tape do you recommend please?

 

Asking for a friend. 😇

Tell your "friend" he can find it pretty cheap on amazon. Golfworks also has their version here: https://www.golfworks.com/club-head-protection-and-impact-tape/p/gw2015v/

[Jim53]

Have any Rogue TD users tried the new TD? curious if there is much difference. I am too lazy too search the YT world to try and find a comparision.

 

I will have a new one just because I like new Cally Drivers and with the trade in it won't cost all that much to play new and shiny. Normally I buy the regular version and then end up with the TD version, so I would like to skip the 1st waste of time if possible and I doubt anyone around here will have them at Pre order next week to test.

[Z1ggy16]

I'm trying not to be biased but the Paradym is going to be a strong contender. I really liked the Rogue ST but it felt a touch draw biased for whatever reason. Now that Paradym has movable weight, I'll be able to dial it in. It was hands down the best overall driver I've ever owned or tried. Tsr2 is a close second but to me, looks and feel weren't as good. 

[NewDecadeMultiCompound]

9 minutes ago, Jim53 said:

Have any Rogue TD users tried the new TD? curious if there is much difference. I am too lazy too search the YT world to try and find a comparision.

 

I will have a new one just because I like new Cally Drivers and with the trade in it won't cost all that much to play new and shiny. Normally I buy the regular version and then end up with the TD version, so I would like to skip the 1st waste of time if possible and I doubt anyone around here will have them at Pre order next week to test.

Nobody on YT has yet done a direct head-to-head, but Peter Finch in his review does say the new TD is slightly better in all aspects. Feels better, looks better (this one is subjective), slightly higher ball speed on off center hits, more forgiving. 

 

 

[third-times-a-charm]

1 hour ago, UnderPar18 said:

Funny how Callaway states that pros won’t be getting one off driver models like in the past and it’s really just the 3 heads and then I see today on IG LOL!

 

 

If one thing is ever for certain with Callaway it's that MOST tour players get different models.

[Mp14forlife]

10 minutes ago, Glassmen61 said:

Nobody on YT has yet done a direct head-to-head, but Peter Finch in his review does say the new TD is slightly better in all aspects. Feels better, looks better (this one is subjective), slightly higher ball speed on off center hits, more forgiving. 

 

 

I posted this one earlier. I liked this review. I like how all 3 seem to be pretty different. Should make it easy for folks deciding. With the costs of drivers, based on this review and others, if I had the rogue st, I'd have a hard time upgrading unless you really prefer the feel. I'd like to see this go head to head with the mavrik. I was close to having the mavrik replace my og sim max. I bought one off eBay a month ago to build up a poor man's auto flex with cause the mavrik face was hotter than a lot of drivers I've tried. I think I'll swing into the golf shop with the mavrik and see how it does against the paradym. 

[QuigleyDU]

4 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Initial txg fairway review is up. Looks like the same as what I've seen in most callaway fairways...good on control and a bit higher spinning, but still low launching. 

i personally could be more impressed with the fairway wood than the driver. I am super picky when it comes to fairway woods and the 3D paradym is nutso good. 

[Jim53]

57 minutes ago, Glassmen61 said:

Nobody on YT has yet done a direct head-to-head, but Peter Finch in his review does say the new TD is slightly better in all aspects. Feels better, looks better (this one is subjective), slightly higher ball speed on off center hits, more forgiving. 

 

 

Thanks, that seemed to be a good fair review. I am really impressed the guy can swing a driver at 120 mph on frozen ground with snow on it. I would be at least 8 ft away in a pile of broken bones and pulled muscles with my off balance old man sledge hammer swing. 

 

[getitdaily]

11 minutes ago, QuigleyDU said:

i personally could be more impressed with the fairway wood than the driver. I am super picky when it comes to fairway woods and the 3D paradym is nutso good. 

Paradigm 15-56 lie-171cc

Paradigm x 15-58 lie - 177cc

 

Will definitely try these. 

[gbang15]

7 hours ago, Golf Scientist said:

 

Yes, they will have a stock version with a TR shaft that will have a higher price than the stock models that offer the Aldila Ascent, Hzrdus Silver, Hzrdus Black, etc...

 

The standard Paradym head is not draw bias. The X is the only one that "turns over" by default. If you setup and make a swing that would normally produce a straight shot you will hit it straight with the standard head model of the Paradym. If you want to immediately write it off as not fitting you without even trying it that's up to you...

 

No, the Paradym driver does not look like an old Taylormade driver in person. If you see it in person you won't be saying that any longer. (Unless you have something against Callaway).

It looks very good in person. It also has a good sound to it. (Videos often don't do a good job of reproducing golf club sounds accurately).

As much as both would like to make you think they are good golfers neither Matt nor Shields is very good. Matt has a ugly sitdown/squat going at setup/takeaway in that video , and bad posture so its no surprise he's hitting ugly weak hooks in that video. He'd be doing that with pretty much any driver with those setup and swing issues.

I didn't feel like wasting my time watching Shields video, so I can't comment on the physical or mental issues he may have had during his Paradym testing. (I haven't enjoyed any if his videos in years).

 

If you have a modern driver head and a decently fit shaft for how you swing then yes you aren't going to see 40 yards more distance - that would be unrealistic. However if you have an old driver head, and you were poorly fit, or have never been fit then you could see some significant gains if properly fit.

Apples to Apples (same shaft) with proper fit head loft, weight positioning (to keep spin decent) many people are seeing 4 mph more ball speed. If you get fit into a shaft that fits your swing better than what you currently use you could see even more...

 

The standard Paradym head produces a straight ball flight if you setup and swing in a neutral way. If you setup and swing in a way that would produce a left or right shot that is what you'll get. Find a place that has both the standard head and the triple diamond, and test both side by side same day and time.

So someone who isn't you, and likely is using a shaft that doesn't fit his swing (load and unload) properties, and may be making bad swings, poor contact that day, and is launching the ball on a lower launch angle and lower spin rate than a decent fitter would advocate says he is getting lower ball speeds than he "wants", and so you're not going to even try it now? 🤦🤨

 

agreed

 

You don't have to be "really good" to hit the Triple Diamond head good. You need to be fit for the proper settings for the head (Triple Diamond or Standard) with proper loft, and proper weight settings. 

Unfortunately I am seeing a lot of reviews where reviewers are self fitting. Saying they got review heads that aren't their normal loft, they are using shafts they weren't fit for, and they aren't putting the weights (in the case of the Triple Diamond) in the correct spot for the spin rates they are getting. (I've seen reviewers put the heavy weight in the back, and then see them get too much spin, so they loose distance. The heavy weight forward weight will give more ball speed, and reduce backspin compared to heavy weight back which will produce less ball speed and more backspin). If a bunch if them had proper fitters with fitting equipment with them I think we'd be seeing better videos.

 

He did say in the video that he didn't feel like he was swinging particularly well/fast. He didn't really talk about it, but one thing that seems to be coming up in quite a few of the videos is that dispersion seems to be tighter due to the redesigned AI face. I wonder if his dispersion was improved over other drivers. It's a weird thing to rationalize as for years its been advocated that dispersion is determined by how a shaft matches to how forces are being applied to the shaft to reduce unwanted bend in certain directions, but to think that internal shape and structure of the face could have an influence on significantly altering dispersion is something that takes a shift in thinking to make sense of...

 

I think you're likely to like the sound of the Paradym. I thought it was better sounding than previous Callaway drivers and a bunch of other model drivers I've heard people hitting in recent driver generations. (I hit the standard and triple diamond versions. I didn't try the X as a left miss isn't something I want in a driver head).

100% I won’t. I doubt crossfield had a hard time feeling the correct “load” when his numbers were nearly ideal in launch conditions. especially with two stock shafts with consistent delivery. I can go on about its looks as well. Personally definitely not for me. not sure why that’s a problem for you lol 

[me05501]

You’d think eventually Callaway would stop using misspelled names or ones people struggle to spell. A good chunk of posters here type “Rouge” for “Rogue” and Craigslist ads spell the brand name “Calloway.” 
 

Should have learned their lesson after “Mavrik.”

[Golf Scientist]

4 hours ago, Esco9 said:

Is anyone watching this 30 minute long product infomercial pretty much of callaway? They’re claiming some BOLD stuff and idk maybe this is the way to connect with the new younger generation but I can’t take them serious

 

4 hours ago, Esco9 said:

Lol yeah it was on golf channel. I’m not bashing the driver just the event was different 

 

3 hours ago, SwingBlues said:

 

I watched 20 mins out of the 30 mins. It was "meh" at best, gained more knowledge of Paradym from this thread than you ever could on the infomercial.

 

Now as it was a Los Angeles event, if you are more into the celeb golfers or football/basketball celebs, it may have been your thing.

 

Can I have my 20 mins back, please?

I was hoping it might have some information we hadn't seen here, on youtube, or on Callaway's website itself, but it didn't. Like you guys are saying it appeared to be trying to appeal to a different audience. I couldn't care less about the rappers or that social media group or whoever they were. The one guy from whatever the group was barely got the iron off the ground when he hit it off the mat. Likewise I don't care for Curry. Looks like he was hitting off the side of a cliff in his testing/fitting. I don't buy for a second that he would ever out carry Borgmeier (who carried it 316 at the event - which seems like any awfully short distance for him), nor any of the Tour Pros (Rahm carrying it 318, and Schauffele carrying it 312 from from videos I've seen).

[Carolina Golfer 2]

7 hours ago, Golf Scientist said:

 

Yes, they will have a stock version with a TR shaft that will have a higher price than the stock models that offer the Aldila Ascent, Hzrdus Silver, Hzrdus Black, etc...

 

The standard Paradym head is not draw bias. The X is the only one that "turns over" by default. If you setup and make a swing that would normally produce a straight shot you will hit it straight with the standard head model of the Paradym. If you want to immediately write it off as not fitting you without even trying it that's up to you...

 

No, the Paradym driver does not look like an old Taylormade driver in person. If you see it in person you won't be saying that any longer. (Unless you have something against Callaway).

It looks very good in person. It also has a good sound to it. (Videos often don't do a good job of reproducing golf club sounds accurately).

As much as both would like to make you think they are good golfers neither Matt nor Shields is very good. Matt has a ugly sitdown/squat going at setup/takeaway in that video , and bad posture so its no surprise he's hitting ugly weak hooks in that video. He'd be doing that with pretty much any driver with those setup and swing issues.

I didn't feel like wasting my time watching Shields video, so I can't comment on the physical or mental issues he may have had during his Paradym testing. (I haven't enjoyed any if his videos in years).

 

If you have a modern driver head and a decently fit shaft for how you swing then yes you aren't going to see 40 yards more distance - that would be unrealistic. However if you have an old driver head, and you were poorly fit, or have never been fit then you could see some significant gains if properly fit.

Apples to Apples (same shaft) with proper fit head loft, weight positioning (to keep spin decent) many people are seeing 4 mph more ball speed. If you get fit into a shaft that fits your swing better than what you currently use you could see even more...

 

The standard Paradym head produces a straight ball flight if you setup and swing in a neutral way. If you setup and swing in a way that would produce a left or right shot that is what you'll get. Find a place that has both the standard head and the triple diamond, and test both side by side same day and time.

So someone who isn't you, and likely is using a shaft that doesn't fit his swing (load and unload) properties, and may be making bad swings, poor contact that day, and is launching the ball on a lower launch angle and lower spin rate than a decent fitter would advocate says he is getting lower ball speeds than he "wants", and so you're not going to even try it now? 🤦🤨

 

agreed

 

You don't have to be "really good" to hit the Triple Diamond head good. You need to be fit for the proper settings for the head (Triple Diamond or Standard) with proper loft, and proper weight settings. 

Unfortunately I am seeing a lot of reviews where reviewers are self fitting. Saying they got review heads that aren't their normal loft, they are using shafts they weren't fit for, and they aren't putting the weights (in the case of the Triple Diamond) in the correct spot for the spin rates they are getting. (I've seen reviewers put the heavy weight in the back, and then see them get too much spin, so they loose distance. The heavy weight forward weight will give more ball speed, and reduce backspin compared to heavy weight back which will produce less ball speed and more backspin). If a bunch if them had proper fitters with fitting equipment with them I think we'd be seeing better videos.

 

He did say in the video that he didn't feel like he was swinging particularly well/fast. He didn't really talk about it, but one thing that seems to be coming up in quite a few of the videos is that dispersion seems to be tighter due to the redesigned AI face. I wonder if his dispersion was improved over other drivers. It's a weird thing to rationalize as for years its been advocated that dispersion is determined by how a shaft matches to how forces are being applied to the shaft to reduce unwanted bend in certain directions, but to think that internal shape and structure of the face could have an influence on significantly altering dispersion is something that takes a shift in thinking to make sense of...

 

I think you're likely to like the sound of the Paradym. I thought it was better sounding than previous Callaway drivers and a bunch of other model drivers I've heard people hitting in recent driver generations. (I hit the standard and triple diamond versions. I didn't try the X as a left miss isn't something I want in a driver head).

Matt. Not very good?   Nice video analysis 🤦 Have you actually seen him play a round.   What would you say his handicap is?
 

I have played a round with him.  I’ll take my first hand side by side opinion vs your science video analysis.  😉
 

[Chopper Dave]

I like the look of these drivers. I guess the visible crown seam is to "tech you can see" the 360 carbon guts...which I guess it a bit of a shame as Callaway always blended the crowns nicely. How many releases has it been now that they finally felt comfortable to do away with the medallions depicting jailbreak? 

[getitdaily]

15 minutes ago, Carolina Golfer 2 said:

Matt. Not very good?   Nice video analysis 🤦 Have you actually seen him play a round.   What would you say his handicap is?
 

I have played a round with him.  I’ll take my first hand side by side opinion vs your science video analysis.  😉
 

Matt's a good golfer. But he's NOWHERE near as good as txg videos present him to be. He hits it a mile offline quite often. They just edit videos to remove bad strikes. The driver challenge from a couple years ago showcased it. Every driver except SIM max required 20 or more drives to get 10 in the fairway. And that fairway was about 50 yards wide.

[getitdaily]

2 hours ago, third-times-a-charm said:

If one thing is ever for certain with Callaway it's that MOST tour players get different models.

How much does the face open when going -1 on the adapter?