UST Mamiya All-In Vs. BGT Stability Putter Shafts

[TheDominator273]

18 hours ago, Caesar's shank said:

Anyone know how to get an all-in in Aus without ordering a cleveland putter?

Golfworks has all 3 versions

 

Edit: sorry completely missed that your in Australia when I answered.

Edited May 30, 2023 by TheDominator273

[SantoroMT]

16 hours ago, Caesar's shank said:

Anyone know how to get an all-in in Aus without ordering a cleveland putter?

 Yourprogolfshop.com had them with free shipping when I ordeded mine. $99 to my door in 2 days

[Caesar's shank]

12 hours ago, SantoroMT said:

 Yourprogolfshop.com had them with free shipping when I ordeded mine. $99 to my door in 2 days

Thanks, chasing in Australia though 

[Willrobs1]

On 1/16/2023 at 7:15 PM, AmateurAmateur said:

The stability shaft is much more stout than the All in. A lot more feedback to it as well. If you want an LA golf shaft at 1/4th the price the All in is a great option. 

When you say feedback, do you mean on mishits you get more feedback?

[AmateurAmateur]

39 minutes ago, Willrobs1 said:

When you say feedback, do you mean on mishits you get more feedback?

I’d say overall with the Stability shaft being much more stout you have a much better idea of where on the face you hit the putt. Centre/high/low/toe/heel. Much more apparent. The UST All-In had a more uniform feel across the face. 

[EddyVN]

just fitted an All In to my Newport 2+

I have played the Stability, Accra and LAGP

 

Fit/looks are most on par with LAGP. Rough finish and a nice matte black look.

Feel - I would say is more in line with Accra. I get a lot of feedback on strike still but its incredibly stable, I would say weight and feel its between Accra and LAGP. I would say its the further from the Stability (which I actually hate/felt click to me). 

TL/DR - I think it closer to the Accra but not far off the LAGP at 20% of the latters price.

[Rosco1216]

For those who have the all graphite straight tip, didn’t any of you tip it to firm it up?

[5hort5tuff]

On 5/11/2023 at 4:18 PM, getitdaily said:

It's in my pxg Hercules right now. I have an 11 ch it'll go in after next week.

 

I really like the feel. 

 

Hey! Why didn't you go with the m16 in your PXG?

[getitdaily]

1 minute ago, 5hort5tuff said:

 

Hey! Why didn't you go with the m16 in your PXG?

Because pxg fulfillment was terrible. 

 

6 days after I ordered it, yhe shaft still hadn't shipped. I ordered uncut and no grip put on. 6 days...not shipped. It would have been another 4 days just for it to get to me after it shipped. $130 and 6 days and no shaft. I canceled the order, paid $100 and had the all-in 2 days later.

[5hort5tuff]

Ahh okay thanks for the response. From the sounds of it the PXG shaft is the most stout of them all.  Seems like it would have been a great option. Glad you are liking the All-In

[getitdaily]

17 minutes ago, 5hort5tuff said:

Ahh okay thanks for the response. From the sounds of it the PXG shaft is the most stout of them all.  Seems like it would have been a great option. Glad you are liking the All-In

From the time I've had with the all-in and the demo I did of the m16, either one will basically be the same. 

 

The all-in had to grow on me. I found speed control to be tedious initially. I've spent a good bit of time with it and I like it a lot more now. Idk if it's the shaft or not, but going from steel to all-in has significantly reduced pulls. I had to increase headweight by 6g when I went to thr all-in so not sure if it's the shaft or the headweight...but I recalled my Saturday round last night and I didn't have a single pull. 

[Trippels]

3 hours ago, 5hort5tuff said:

Ahh okay thanks for the response. From the sounds of it the PXG shaft is the most stout of them all.  Seems like it would have been a great option. Glad you are liking the All-In

The Fujikura mc x firm is by far the stiffest putter shaft if that's what you're looking for

[Skeeter]

Will the All In with the steel tip fit a .370 over hosel?

[MattM97]

23 minutes ago, Skeeter said:

Will the All In with the steel tip fit a .370 over hosel?

 

It says .370 OD on the site so should 

[mojomover]

Hi all- might be a basic question but what are the pros and cons of a super stiff shaft?

 

my PLD custom has a black step less shaft, which has been done. PLD has an option for their graphite shaft but was told it is super stiff. Was considering a cheap graphite shaft to try out and was considering the all-in, which I could send in for PLD to install or go with rhe PLD graphite (the retail one is softer I believe but this is the super stiff one). 
 

[radiman]

21 minutes ago, mojomover said:

Hi all- might be a basic question but what are the pros and cons of a super stiff shaft?

 

my PLD custom has a black step less shaft, which has been done. PLD has an option for their graphite shaft but was told it is super stiff. Was considering a cheap graphite shaft to try out and was considering the all-in, which I could send in for PLD to install or go with rhe PLD graphite (the retail one is softer I believe but this is the super stiff one). 
 

I want to say that there was some talk early on that the Ping shaft is possibly the All-In or at least very similar.  UST makes their graphite shafts still I think.  So, they may be very similar. 

[Gamble Gamble]

I have 3 identical Odyssey Seven putters with three different shafts.  

1. BGT Fire 
2. UST All-In
3. Stroke Lab 

I am going to test them on a Quintic putting system.  

 

From just a feel perspective, the BGT wins by a significant amount.  From a looks perspective BGT also wins.

 

I will post the quintic numbers when i get a chance to test them side by side in the next week or so.  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 7, 2023 by Gamble Gamble

[Elkhair]

On 6/7/2023 at 2:32 PM, Gamble Gamble said:

I have 3 identical Odyssey Seven putters with three different shafts.  

1. BGT Fire 
2. UST All-In
3. Stroke Lab 

I am going to test them on a Quintic putting system.  

 

From just a feel perspective, the BGT wins by a significant amount.  From a looks perspective BGT also wins.

 

I will post the quintic numbers when i get a chance to test them side by side in the next week or so.  

 

 

 

 

 

Any update on this. Just had a Quintic lesson and am looking for a new shaft for my flow neck putter. Looking at BGT, UST all in, and a PXG M16.

[Gamble Gamble]

On 6/20/2023 at 2:38 PM, Elkhair said:

Any update on this. Just had a Quintic lesson and am looking for a new shaft for my flow neck putter. Looking at BGT, UST all in, and a PXG M16.

I have my appointment scheduled two weeks from now when I get back from vacation.  
 

After playing with them numerous times, the BGT is by far the best feel, stroke lab and UST being very close for 2nd/3rd. 

 

 

[Donn Rutkoff]

On 6/23/2023 at 4:20 AM, Gamble Gamble said:

I have my appointment scheduled two weeks from now when I get back from vacation.  
 

After playing with them numerous times, the BGT is by far the best feel, stroke lab and UST being very close for 2nd/3rd. 

 

 

are you back from vacation?  did you do a 3 way test to talk about yet?

[Gamble Gamble]

2 hours ago, Donn Rutkoff said:

are you back from vacation?  did you do a 3 way test to talk about yet?

 

Probably this week or next.  I ordered my irons from them and will swing by to do the putter shaft test when they come in.  Their shop is a bit out of the way from me.  

[Donn Rutkoff]

In case you are interested I posted a note on a competitor forum about my short visit to Indi Golg in Carlsbad, they make hi-spin conforming and non-conforming wedges.  They also have a line of hi-tech putters but that is another time to visit.  I am aoing to ask my local fitter / store about putter shafts.  I have a Scotty mallet and a K-mart mallet that I might re-shaft and re-grip with big fat grips.

[Donn Rutkoff]

Has anyone here bot a PXG putter with their M-16 stability shaft?  Anybody like the UST All-in?  I like my current putter and would invest in a new shaft.

[IndyBonzo]

I’m looking at putting the retrofit shaft in my Scotty.  The Scotty shaft is .390 and the tip connector on the retrofit is .320.  Any thoughts on such a significant gap between the All In shaft tip and the receptor shaft?  If I slather the tip with extra epoxy would this work?

 

Thanks all!

Edited July 29, 2023 by IndyBonzo

[getitdaily]

On 7/24/2023 at 7:54 PM, Donn Rutkoff said:

Has anyone here bot a PXG putter with their M-16 stability shaft?  Anybody like the UST All-in?  I like my current putter and would invest in a new shaft.

I like everything about the all-in except 1 thing...pace. It slows down ball speed off the face. I don't need that.

 

Sturdy feel is great.

Feels in control.

Allows you to play heavier head weight.

 

But, in central florida, where greens run 7 in the summer, I need all the ball speed I can get off the face.

[jigdagod]

On 7/24/2023 at 7:54 PM, Donn Rutkoff said:

Has anyone here bot a PXG putter with their M-16 stability shaft?  Anybody like the UST All-in?  I like my current putter and would invest in a new shaft.

 

I currently have a PXG Blackjack with an All-in shaft. I just ordered the next Gen Blackjack with the M16. Although not apples to apples with the new tech in the latest Gen. I'll give my opinion on it once it arrives. I feel like my putting has improved since switching from a normal shaft to the All-in. I was going to go all-in with the new Blackjack, but I figured I'd have 2 different putters for different green speeds. So far I have to give my current setup a bit more because the greens are slower on certain holes where I play.

[jigdagod]

Just received my new Blackjack putter.  I rolled about 200 putts from 10, 15, 20 ft using my Exputt. I felt like both shafts are very stable. All-in has a heavier feel than the M16. I didn’t notice any difference in the feel of the shafts when putting. I like them both. I really like the feel of the ball off the face of the Battle Ready II. You can feel the ball spring off the face compared to the original. I feel like I have to give it more with the original Blackjack. It could be because of the countercore. I was gonna counterweight the new one, but decided I’ll keep it stock for now. I’ll use this one for slower greens and the original for faster greens. I’ll probably take the countercore out and see how the roll against each other. No ping sound with the M16 shaft. It’s more of a softer thud sound than the other one. All around I like the improvements they made on the BRII Blackjack. The slightly bigger design is actually nice and I like the silver color as well. At least for now. I haven’t seen it in the sun yet. After a few rounds with it I might mess with the weights on the bottom of the putter to dial it in more. Great job again PXG!

 

Putters
PXG Battle Ready Blackjack
Weights: Front: (2) 20g, Back: (2)10g
UST Mamiya All-In Retro Fit Double Bend Shaft
Super Stroke Zenergy Flatso 2.0 Grip with 75g Countercore weight

 

PXG Battle Ready II Blackjack
Weights: (4) 10g
PXG M16 Double Bend shaft
PXG Pistol I Grip

[Gamble Gamble]

We ran the comparison of the BGT vs the Stroke Lab on Quintic and the information is below. 

 

We chose not to check the All In Shaft putter because club champion messed up the specs and set it at 35" instead of 33" plus the loft was 4* instead of 2.5 like the stroke lab and BGT.  I am going to get CC to fix the spec issues with the All-In shaft and then run it against the BGT later.  

 

My fit:  I use a 33" putter since I have long arms.  I tend to hit the ball with a slight out to in path and a slightly open toe.  

 

BGT

• Odyssey Seven Single Bend 
• BGT Fire Shaft
• overall weight is 510g 
• swing weight is E3
• 33" total length

Stroke Lab

• Odyssey Seven Single Bend 
• Stroke Lab Shaft
• overall weight is 515g 
• swing weight is D0
• 33" total length

 

I will post the comparison of the numbers, but two things stood out.  The BGT delivers a more neutral face angle than the stroke lab and the forward roll to side spin is lower with the BGT.

 

The short version of the analysis, is that on average i will be approximately 1.63" right on a 20 foot putt (which would be holed) vs 6.53" right with the Stroke Lab which would miss.  Granted the putts were setup as a 10 foot putt and extrapolated out, but the BGT started on-line better and had a tighter range of forward roll vs side spin.  

 

The downside of the BGT was a slight increase in the launch angle vs the stroke lab.

 

Subjectively speaking, the BGT feels much better to me, but we figured out that the firmness of the flex plus the swing weight is what created that feel for me.  

 

Edited August 9, 2023 by Gamble Gamble
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[Walkerdb7]

UST outselling BGT… just a price thing?

 

 

[Phabs]

10 hours ago, Walkerdb7 said:

UST outselling BGT… just a price thing?

 

 

I’m astonished people buy anything from CC.   Bet that 600 dollar LAGP shaft burns 

Edited June 21, 2024 by Phabs