US Ryder Cup team selections (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS ***)

[grm24]

8 minutes ago, Soloman1 said:

 

Earth to wy3134: The Ryder Cup has no connection to either tour.

The RC very much has a connection to the ET/DP Tour. Always has.

Edited August 29, 2023 by grm24

[Pops99]

JT wasn’t even the best JT on tour this year (Poston)

 

That press conference was all kinds of awkward. 

[King_Slender]

How brutal is that Cantlay/Harman pairing going to be

[bladehunter]

9 minutes ago, Gawbage_man said:

 

 

In Glover he has been really good for a very long time tee to green, and possibly the worst putter on tour. Now that he is a decent putter I think he would have been an asset to the team.

I think they underestimate how hard a guy will play or work when he knows it’s his only Shot. This was his only shot.  

[Cincy_Ken]

43 minutes ago, LeoLeo99 said:

 

Rickie brings people to watch.  I know I'm a lot more likely to watch Rickie than Burns.  

 

I'm not a Rickie guy but analytically he's been one of the top 10 guys this year; I would have had him in but not over Keegan who won more and beat Rickie for one of those wins.  I had Rickie over Burns but it has nothing to do with popularity.  I'm honestly more interested in watching the talented 27 year old with 5 wins vs the 8 year older bounceback veteran with only 1 more win.

 

I actually usually gravitate towards the Burns types; I just felt Keegans intensity as well as being a great driver filled something this team doesn't have a ton of.  Keegan would have been my 11th guy easily over these two.

 

JTs a unique conversation.  Obviously he's in terrible form but he's a 30 year old multiple major champ and probably the most emotional team guy over the last 5 years.  He's #15 in points and still top 30 OWGR so it's not like he's as far gone as Spieth was when he missed the team (could be in 6 mo).  He was #10 for me

[bladehunter]

5 minutes ago, Pops99 said:

JT wasn’t even the best JT on tour this year (Poston)

 

That press conference was all kinds of awkward. 

Yep. Never a good look when you have to defend 3 of your 6 picks to the kid glove  corporate media.  And worse so when you can’t defend it. But instead have to deflect with the same canned answers that aren’t even on topic.  “ how rough was the call with Keegan “.   Zach - “ man. It was all rough. I’d take 30 guys if I could “.  That’s not what was asked Zach. Not at alll. 

[Louis_Posture]

Here are Zach's assistant captains:

 

Stewart Cink, Fred Couples, Jim Furyk, Davis Love III, Steve Stricker

 

 

[Pops99]

“Are you going into battle or planning a buddies trip?”

-Eamon Lynch on golf channel 

[bladehunter]

1 minute ago, Pops99 said:

“Are you going into battle or planning a buddies trip?”

-Eamon Lynch on golf channel 

Was a great point.  

[King_Slender]

1 minute ago, Cincy_Ken said:

 

I'm not a Rickie guy but analytically he's been one of the top 10 guys this year; I would have had him in but not over Keegan who won more and beat Rickie for one of those wins.  I had Rickie over Burns but it has nothing to do with popularity.  I'm honestly more interested in watching the talented 27 year old with 5 wins vs the 8 year older bounceback veteran with only 1 more win.

 

I actually usually gravitate towards the Burns types; I just felt Keegans intensity as well as being a great driver filled something this team doesn't have a ton of.  Keegan would have been my 11th guy easily over these two.

 

JTs a unique conversation.  Obviously he's in terrible form but he's a 30 year old multiple major champ and probably the most emotional team guy over the last 5 years.  He's #15 in points and still top 30 OWGR so it's not like he's as far gone as Spieth was when he missed the team (could be in 6 mo).  He was #10 for me

 

The problem is, the exact logic to pick JT should negate Rickie from being picked.  You can't say past performance matters and JT being 6-2-1 gets him a pick, but then pick Rickie who is 3-7-1.  

[SheriffBooth]

JT and Burns over Cam Young and Keegan Bradley are problematic to me.  No issue with the other selections.  To me Glover's one hot month was way overshadowed by a year of missed majors and cuts.

[Louis_Posture]

3 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I think they underestimate how hard a guy will play or work when he knows it’s his only Shot. This was his only shot.  

Good point!

Also, if a Captain is going to pick guys outside of the Top 12 in points I want it to be players who have never before been part of a Ryder Cup team. Give a new guy the thrill of it.

[Soloman1]

13 minutes ago, grm24 said:

The RC very much has a connection to the ET/DP Tour. Always has.

 Yes, you're right.  The PGA Tour does not.

 

Europe doesn't have a unified PGA like the PGA of America.

[getitdaily]

Let's talk pairings...

 

We know:

 

Sheffler/burns

Jt/speef 

Cantlay/shauffele

 

My guess on some of the others:

 

Koepka/fowler

Clark/Homa

Morikawa/fowler

Clark/kopeka

 

Harmon is the odd one. Seemingly can pair with anyone. But what sticks out to you?

[Konklifer]

JT fan but he did not deserve a spot. Neither did Morikawa. There's no reason to think either will play well given the current state of their games.

[King_Slender]

Zach: "Camaraderie in the team room is important to success."

 

2021 team with Bryson and Brooks at the height of their "feud" - won 19-9

[Gareth]

Goodness knows how Sam Burns was picked ahead of Lucas Glover or Keegan Bradley……

[SheriffBooth]

Interestingly, JT, Morikawa and Burns are all in the negative for World Ranking points in 2023.  Everyone else on the team is in the positive for the year.  Bradley's the most glaring omission if you're looking at consistency over the last 8 months.

Edited August 29, 2023 by SheriffBooth

[Choclab]

16 minutes ago, King_Slender said:

I blame the unwillingness of the media to press the difficult questions for the reason some of these things happen. 

For example, ask this: "Zach, you talked about the importance of camaraderie and fit in the team room in making some of these picks.  It's abundantly clear that means you need to be in the Boys Club, if you will, and be buddies with guys like yourself, Tiger, Davis, Fred to get a pick if you don't qualify on points.  Make the case for us for JT, who has been out of form over guys like Keegan, Finau and Glover who all have 2 wins this year or a guy like DJ who was 5-0 at Whistling Straits, if you want to point to past performance." 

 

 

I miss the days when reporters and journalists weren't just toadies for the team or sport they cover.  These guys used to believe their role was to speak for the fans, to ask tough questions on behalf of the people who can't be present, to hold the powers that be accountable. 

 

Now they're mostly either too scared to ask questions or they're actually in bed with the very entity they're covering.

[wy3134]

7 minutes ago, Pops99 said:

“Are you going into battle or planning a buddies trip?”

-Eamon Lynch on golf channel 

 

i quit, when i have to like a Eamon take on something with all of his really hot bad takes

[King_Slender]

1 minute ago, getitdaily said:

Let's talk pairings...

 

We know:

 

Sheffler/burns

Jt/speef 

Cantlay/shauffele

 

My guess on some of the others:

 

Koepka/fowler

Clark/Homa

Morikawa/fowler

Clark/kopeka

 

Harmon is the odd one. Seemingly can pair with anyone. But what sticks out to you?

 

Four Ball:

Spieth/JT

Harman/Cantlay

Burns/Scheffler

Homa/Koepka

 

Foursomes:

Schauffele/Morikawa

Clark/Fowler

Koepka/Schauffele

Scheffler/Spieth

 

[kmbean]

Zach Johnson doesn’t exactly inspire confidence.  

[Ronnie Mundt]

As said, ZJ is an idiot. Since July 2022 Tony Finau has won 4 tournaments. JT won in May 2022 and hasn’t since. I dunno, seems off. And Spieth had a better year but over the time period to evaluate the team has he been better than Finau? Hell no. ZJ is a buffoon.

[BlackDiamondPar5]

20 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

I think they underestimate how hard a guy will play or work when he knows it’s his only Shot. This was his only shot.  

Not a bad point at all. I don't get Bradley not getting the pick. But Glover was on the bubble. 

 

Also I'm not here to defend JT being picked. He was another "bubble boy" that was mostly off. But again none of us have the insider info either like the Captain. 

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by BlackDiamondPar5

[Chilli9880]

ZJ is a pud and I've never been a fan of his since I met him at the Bridgestone Invitational in Akron. Keegan deserved to be on this team. Now you don't even need to qualify, just get one of your buddies to make it and he'll make sure you get picked too. And I like most of these guys but there has to be punishment for having a bad year. ZJ gave way too many hypocritical answers!. 

[jmck]

7 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Let's talk pairings...

 

We know:

 

Sheffler/burns

Jt/speef 

Cantlay/shauffele

 

My guess on some of the others:

 

Koepka/fowler

Clark/Homa

Morikawa/fowler

Clark/kopeka

 

Harmon is the odd one. Seemingly can pair with anyone. But what sticks out to you?

I know they’ve had lots of historical success and like playing together, but I’d stay far away from a Spieth/JT foursomes pairing. Over the last year they’ve both had long stretches of having no idea where the ball is going. Could be fine for fourball I guess, but foursomes…no thank you.

 

Seems that’s where Harmon slots in, right? Someone who keeps the ball in front of himself and makes a ton of putts. That’s a guy you want to lean on for foursomes.

[khalespace]

Did Tiger make that call to ZJ for JT?

[Duct Tape]

19 minutes ago, Louis_Posture said:

Good point!

Also, if a Captain is going to pick guys outside of the Top 12 in points I want it to be players who have never before been part of a Ryder Cup team. Give a new guy the thrill of it.

You do we’re going there to hopefully win, right?

 

 

Edited August 29, 2023 by Duct Tape

[NMBob]

1 minute ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Not a bad point at all. I don't get Bradley not getting the pick. But Glover was on the bubble. 

 

Also I'm not here to defend JT being picked. He was another bubble player that was mostly off. But again none of us have the insider info either like the Captain. 

 

 

golfchannel posted some quote on tv screen  from bradley...this is roughly paraphrased , roughly.......but    .it said something like he felt he wasn't in the inner circle or something.... also that he had tried to become more friendly with certain people to try to change that

[rooski]

Wonder what kind of odds I can get betting on Europe this year.

 

I don’t even think it’s gonna be close

Edited August 29, 2023 by rooski