Scottie and those feet

[GungHoGolf]

5 hours ago, Ferguson said:

 

Stewart Cink 

Lucas Glover 

Bryson DeChambeau

Hideki Matsuyama

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matthew Fitzpatrick

Rickie Fowler

Max Homa

[Pepperturbo]

I don't think so.  Our swing mechanics are individual. 

 

It will be tried by many, but I am certain it won't be a new paradigm.  Most people won't be able to find comfort in it and I might be one.  IMO Scottie's happy feet are almost exaggerated to keep up with his fast hip transition left.

 

I am built differently, and always reluctant to hit the ball as hard as possible with a driver; not sure why...  Since I play Ventus Velo TR Blue too, later this week I am going to give the ball a lashing and see if my feet can keep up with the craziness. 🙂

 

[tiderider]

this a troll thread? ... dude had a top 3 ball striking year on tour (top 3 of all time), but someone's gonna post "discuss" about his footwork? ... 

 

[Shilgy]

10 hours ago, smashdn said:

 

I hear tell stats can be misleading.

The stats are not misleading but their value is certainly misunderstood.  Assuming of course you’re referring to the accuracy off the tee discussion.

 

Hard to be misleading when it’s strokes gained. Either your directly gaining or losing strokes to your peers measured in various parts of the game

[philly2kuk]

If the man could putt better he’d be the new tiger. He’s that consistent tee to green.

[aenemated]

It never ceases to amaze me how some can make literally any topic about themselves. 

 

Outstanding. 

[notsohard]

 

On 8/21/2023 at 4:29 PM, Port and Starboard said:

Norman dragged his back foot and was the best driver of his era.

More to it than just a slide.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cre8pTBN_A 

Edited August 22, 2023 by notsohard

[Ferguson]

17 hours ago, bladehunter said:

I just love that his footwork worries people.  Shows just how little is known about the swing , and how little folks understand about learned information vs born talent. 

 

The same people were worried after Finau's twisted ankle at the Masters. 

 

[smashdn]

8 hours ago, Shilgy said:

The stats are not misleading but their value is certainly misunderstood.  Assuming of course you’re referring to the accuracy off the tee discussion.

 

There have been several utterances in different threads of late to that effect.

 

My point in all of them is that the stat is not misleading, it's use as evidence of some phenomena is the misleading part.  And I think you get that as well.

 

We could measure vertical jump of basketball players and then use that list to populate the list of "greatest basketball players of all time."  That stat isn't wrong.  Improperly attributing it as the cause or bulk of the impact for some greater measurement or accomplishment is the problem.

 

We can only measure what we can measure with the tools at our current disposal.  Another brought up that SG didn't exist 10 years ago or whatever the thought was.  SG is an interpretation of data.  The data existed, it just wasn't being used, as up to Broadie, no one had really thought about how it could be mathematically manipulated and combined to tell a meaningful and largely accurate story.  Data is of little value by itself until you put it in a format that is understood or can be easily interpreted.

 

 

[rblmp32]

That move drives me bananas.  But boy does it work for him.  

[bscinstnct]

On 8/20/2023 at 7:05 PM, farmer said:

Would Scottie be even better with more traditional footwork, or has he established a new paradigm?  Discuss

 

Better than the best? 
 

 

 

Edited August 22, 2023 by bscinstnct

[Righty to Lefty]

On 8/20/2023 at 7:05 PM, farmer said:

Would Scottie be even better with more traditional footwork, or has he established a new paradigm?  Discuss

As long as he is stable through impact, which he very much is, nothing else matters.  

[MattM97]

Should the best ball striker in recent history change what they do? Sure if he's bored of being #1. 

[GolfTurkey]

On 8/21/2023 at 11:50 PM, kwcsports said:

Arnie said swing your swing and I agree. I wouldn't change a thing if I were Scottie.

 

I think that's great advice for the world number one who is annihilating everyone in the ball striking stats.

 

It's ridiculously dumb advice IMO when given to a high handicapper, who is a high handicapper because of the way they swing.

[Righty to Lefty]

21 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

I think that's great advice for the world number one who is annihilating everyone in the ball striking stats.

 

It's ridiculously dumb advice IMO when given to a high handicapper, who is a high handicapper because of the way they swing.

Well you would be incorrect in your assertion. Scottie is the best ball striker on the PGA tour not because of his swing...it is because he understands where he needs to position himself in relation to the ball to hit it pure the large majority of the time.  This very same lack of understanding is precisely why a high handicap doesn't strike it well. Where you are in relation to the ball is orders of magnitude more important than your individual swing motion.  A swing robot if positioned millimeters out of position to the ball would be rendered a hacker while having the most precise swing motion that will ever exist.  Where you are in relation to the ball, and your awareness of it, is everything. Am I making sense? 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Righty to Lefty

[GolfTurkey]

23 minutes ago, Righty to Lefty said:

Well you would be incorrect in your assertion. Scottie is the best ball striker on the PGA tour not because of his swing...it is because he understands where he needs to position himself in relation to the ball to hit it pure the large majority of the time.  This very same lack of understanding is precisely why a high handicap doesn't strike it well. Where you are in relation to the ball is orders of magnitude more important than your individual swing motion.  A swing robot if positioned millimeters out of position to the ball would be rendered a hacker while having the most precise swing motion that will ever exist.  Where you are in relation to the ball and your awareness of it is everything. Am I making sense? 

 

If we're talking being able to repeat an outcome or control strike and low point, of course Scottie will be much better at that than a high capper. I would suggest that's a combination of better swing mechanics making controlling that outcome easier, plus loads more repetition and talent.

 

However, there's another aspect to swing mechanics and that's producing speed and having a functional swing path. Your stereotypical high handicapper OTT swinger might be struggling to swing driver at 90 mph with a path 15 degrees out to in. I don't care how accurately you set a robot with those mechanics programmed in, it's getting smoked by Scottie. 

[Righty to Lefty]

20 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

If we're talking being able to repeat an outcome or control strike and low point, of course Scottie will be much better at that than a high capper. I would suggest that's a combination of better swing mechanics making controlling that outcome easier, plus loads more repetition and talent.

 

However, there's another aspect to swing mechanics and that's producing speed and having a functional swing path. Your stereotypical high handicapper OTT swinger might be struggling to swing driver at 90 mph with a path 15 degrees out to in. I don't care how accurately you set a robot with those mechanics programmed in, it's getting smoked by Scottie. 

That is also false...that robot would then relentlessly repeat a "flaw" so much so that it would become a strength and beat Scottie into oblivion because it would be predictable.  If you understand and acknowledge your flaw...it can then become a strength because the outcome could be predicted and more importantly, trusted.  Better swing mechanics do not make you a better golfer, better understanding of the flight that your swing mechanics most reliably produce is what makes you a better golfer.  This is also why I flatly reject the notion that "low handicap golfers hit it further than high handicap golfers." The truth of the matter is that low handicap golfers have a better understanding of where they need to be in relation to the ball to use the speed in the form of playable golf shots while high handicap golfers have not developed that skill yet, but it has nothing to do with swing speed. There is a point along that typical OTT swingers swing path that aligns with their intentions I assure you...the ball is simply not present at that location, and the golfer is not paying attention to, nor understands, the lesson that the ball flight and strike quality are teaching on a given shot. 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Righty to Lefty

[Albatross Dreamer]

Scottie could both rank #1 on tour and have room for improvement so it's a valid question. Changing his footwork to eliminate the move likely wouldn't be the right path though for reasons others have stated. However, I could see making sure it doesn't become "too much of a good thing" possibly being important. For me it seems when Scottie is wilder off the tee his feet are moving more than normal, but that could be small sample size, simply a reaction to something else being off in his swing, etc.

[NMBob]

On 8/21/2023 at 7:11 AM, Pent08 said:

Name the golfers who became better players after changing some fundamental quirk in their swing or trying to add distance.

 

Matt Fitzpatrick added the distance

[smashdn]

4 hours ago, MattM97 said:

Should the best ball striker in recent history change what they do? Sure if he's bored of being #1. 

 

Luke Donald has entered the chat.

[Tiptx1122]

Would you question Arnold Palmer follow thru or Lee Trevino swing so why think Scottie should change as he is having pretty good success 

Edited August 23, 2023 by Tiptx1122

[jimecherry]

30 minutes ago, Tiptx1122 said:

Would you question Arnold Palmer follow thru or Lee Trevino swing so why think Scottie should change as he is having pretty good success 

cause the title what up with scottie was already taken, had to come up with something different.

[Ferguson]

I reached out to Ron Jenkins at MF to get his opinion. 

 

 

Ron: "Be that related to a race car or a man, without a stable footing, neither can reach peak performance." 

 

 

 

 

Thank you Ron.

 

[Ghost of Snead]

On 8/22/2023 at 3:18 AM, aenemated said:

It never ceases to amaze me how some can make literally any topic about themselves. 

 

Outstanding. 

 

Legends in their own minds 

[MK7Golf21]

I came across a Scottie shefler instagram clip of his feet at bmw. Was kind of crazy tbh, I think he is getting more drastic with it. It def gives him more room into the ball because both his feet slide diagonally backwards. Almost an anti left move as well and might be easier on his back.

 

He's got some Bubba watson stuff with his arms going on many times as well. 

 

 

[jdl]

On 8/20/2023 at 9:14 PM, straightshot7 said:

Maybe he should move his feet when he putts.

This guy can hook him up.

 

 

[Valtiel]

2 hours ago, jdl said:

This guy can hook him up.

 

 

*Shuffling intensifies* 

[Sean124]

On 8/22/2023 at 12:18 AM, aenemated said:

It never ceases to amaze me how some can make literally any topic about themselves. 

 

Outstanding. 

[Albatross Dreamer]

2 hours ago, Valtiel said:

*Shuffling intensifies* 

 

[ac6]

On 8/20/2023 at 8:04 PM, Avidswampthing66 said:

I was about to make this post and call it what is going on with Scottie "Twinkle Toes" Scheffler? 

He missed his calling as a ballerina.  It does not seem sustainable, but his results now are great.  He would roll his ankle if he wasn't making that quick hop at the end.  I took two videos of him actually sliding too far and trying to make it appear normal post follow-through.  This was today maybe holes 14-15

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I think it's perfectly sustainable. The footwork doesn't cause him to look unbalanced until long after the ball is gone, and it allows him to release the forces of the swing in a way that likely reduces the forces. Think about how you see Steph Curry always falling and sliding on the ground after taking a shot or making a layup, vs. how Derrick Rose would always land from a jump and absorb the shock with stiffer legs.