Mizuno ST-Max

[hammergolf]

On 1/20/2024 at 10:08 AM, eric61 said:

Has anybody seen specs that indicate whether the 5 and/or 7 woods will be available for lefties?

5wd yes, 7wd no…. 😕

[hammergolf]

Seeing and hearing really good things about the new Max driver. Definitely is on the list to test. 

[thigos]

Looking forward to TXG and Michael Newton reviews, but these will have to do for now.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 26, 2024 by thigos

[chewiemf]

I have a couple of questions hoping some of you with more knowledge can help me.   

 

Did a couple of fittings and the stz and stx came out on top, with TSR2 a very close second.   My swing speed is under 90mph.  The problem with my swing is my spin is way too high.  Working on it.   The Darkspeed MAX with high launching UST shaft was so bad it was laughable.   

 

I have a feeling I hit the Mizzys well because of shorter length,  but also for sure lower spin.  So if I get the ST 230 Max at 45.75" do I lose what I had with shorter stz and stx?  Or if I cut down the Max to 45.00" does that defeat the purpose of the Max?  Lastly the Max is supposed to higher spinning, which hurts me because of my not so great swing.  My misses are at the heal.

 

What's confusing me is I am a slower swinger and theory says high launch and high spin is better for me but its not the case.   The STX 230 felt amazing. 

 

Thanks.

[Red4282]

1 hour ago, chewiemf said:

I have a couple of questions hoping some of you with more knowledge can help me.   

 

Did a couple of fittings and the stz and stx came out on top, with TSR2 a very close second.   My swing speed is under 90mph.  The problem with my swing is my spin is way too high.  Working on it.   The Darkspeed MAX with high launching UST shaft was so bad it was laughable.   

 

I have a feeling I hit the Mizzys well because of shorter length,  but also for sure lower spin.  So if I get the ST 230 Max at 45.75" do I lose what I had with shorter stz and stx?  Or if I cut down the Max to 45.00" does that defeat the purpose of the Max?  Lastly the Max is supposed to higher spinning, which hurts me because of my not so great swing.  My misses are at the heal.

 

What's confusing me is I am a slower swinger and theory says high launch and high spin is better for me but its not the case.   The STX 230 felt amazing. 

 

Thanks.

What are your spin numbers? At your speed, spin isnt necessarily such a bad thing. 

[bellken]

2 hours ago, chewiemf said:

I have a couple of questions hoping some of you with more knowledge can help me.   

 

Did a couple of fittings and the stz and stx came out on top, with TSR2 a very close second.   My swing speed is under 90mph.  The problem with my swing is my spin is way too high.  Working on it.   The Darkspeed MAX with high launching UST shaft was so bad it was laughable.   

 

I have a feeling I hit the Mizzys well because of shorter length,  but also for sure lower spin.  So if I get the ST 230 Max at 45.75" do I lose what I had with shorter stz and stx?  Or if I cut down the Max to 45.00" does that defeat the purpose of the Max?  Lastly the Max is supposed to higher spinning, which hurts me because of my not so great swing.  My misses are at the heal.

 

What's confusing me is I am a slower swinger and theory says high launch and high spin is better for me but its not the case.   The STX 230 felt amazing. 

 

Thanks.

I am a slower swinger with high spin, too. And, I am, also, working on it - and getting better.  There is an optimal window for launch angle, and, spin - too much, or, too little for your swing speed will cost you distance (see - https://ping.com/en-us/blogs/proving-grounds/optimal-launch-and-spin). 

 

As for the ST Max vs the STZ, or STX, you should try them for yourself. I have a STZ 220 10.5 w/Ascent Red, but, in trying some of the newer drivers, I am getting fit into lower loft heads. Talk about confusing, but, our swings are unique to ourselves, and, what works for others may not work for you, or, me.

 

If you are hitting the STX 230 well, you could save yourself some money vs. the ST Max.

[Jmccas]

13 hours ago, chewiemf said:

I have a couple of questions hoping some of you with more knowledge can help me.   

 

Did a couple of fittings and the stz and stx came out on top, with TSR2 a very close second.   My swing speed is under 90mph.  The problem with my swing is my spin is way too high.  Working on it.   The Darkspeed MAX with high launching UST shaft was so bad it was laughable.   

 

I have a feeling I hit the Mizzys well because of shorter length,  but also for sure lower spin.  So if I get the ST 230 Max at 45.75" do I lose what I had with shorter stz and stx?  Or if I cut down the Max to 45.00" does that defeat the purpose of the Max?  Lastly the Max is supposed to higher spinning, which hurts me because of my not so great swing.  My misses are at the heal.

 

What's confusing me is I am a slower swinger and theory says high launch and high spin is better for me but its not the case.   The STX 230 felt amazing. 

 

Thanks.

What is your angle of attack? Usually hitting down on the ball with a driver will cause spin to increase dramatically. 

[noodle3872]

 

[chewiemf]

14 hours ago, Red4282 said:

What are your spin numbers? At your speed, spin isnt necessarily such a bad thing. 

With the Darkspeed MAX  5000  - 6000.  There is no way that is good.   Ball went 160 yards.   With the stx 230, under 4000.  Went much farther even with less swing speed at times.  Kai'l blue 50 shaft.  

[chewiemf]

2 hours ago, Jmccas said:

What is your angle of attack? Usually hitting down on the ball with a driver will cause spin to increase dramatically. 

Yeah it can get pretty negative like-2.0.  I know this is my main issue.   Coming from a TSi2 which i liked.  Tensei AV blue.

[chewiemf]

13 hours ago, bellken said:

I am a slower swinger with high spin, too. And, I am, also, working on it - and getting better.  There is an optimal window for launch angle, and, spin - too much, or, too little for your swing speed will cost you distance (see - https://ping.com/en-us/blogs/proving-grounds/optimal-launch-and-spin). 

 

As for the ST Max vs the STZ, or STX, you should try them for yourself. I have a STZ 220 10.5 w/Ascent Red, but, in trying some of the newer drivers, I am getting fit into lower loft heads. Talk about confusing, but, our swings are unique to ourselves, and, what works for others may not work for you, or, me.

 

If you are hitting the STX 230 well, you could save yourself some money vs. the ST Max.

Yeah thought about trying 9.5 degree even though conventional wisdom says go higher loft.   Definitely going to hit the MAX.

[hammergolf]

17 minutes ago, chewiemf said:

With the Darkspeed MAX  5000  - 6000.  There is no way that is good.   Ball went 160 yards.   With the stx 230, under 4000.  Went much farther even with less swing speed at times.  Kai'l blue 50 shaft.  

What is your shot shape and club path? 

[Northsider]

I wonder what the initial price will be? Very intrigued by this release as I love Mizuno drivers and woods. If it’s like any other Mizuno driver, it will be half price within a year which is good and bad.

[chewiemf]

9 minutes ago, hammergolf said:

What is your shot shape and club path? 

Pretty straight.   My club path miss is a pull.  Club face miss is on heel.  

[hammergolf]

Just now, chewiemf said:

Pretty straight.   My club path miss is a pull.  Club face miss is on heel.  

Ok so path is steep left with a heel strike. The spin issue is caused by path, angle of attack, and strike location. Drivers just do not perform well when hit heel side. I don’t mean to be a jerk, but a club isn’t going to fit that. If you use the most upright setting, that can help slightly, but you have to move your strike location more towards the toe side and higher on the face to reduce spin.

[Lemonde]

2 hours ago, chewiemf said:

Pretty straight.   My club path miss is a pull.  Club face miss is on heel.  

Why not give the STG 440 a spin? (No pun intended lol).  It’s low spin and perhaps not as unforgiving as other 440 releases from other OEM’s in the past 10 years.  MGS has already indicated that this driver is a performer in their Most Wanted testing.  

Edited January 28, 2024 by Lemonde

[Morry]

Broke down and bought a LH 5 wood

 

not looking for one really.... have a g430 max with some lead tape on nose and a ad-cq in it - solid...but not spectacular 

 

so.....tigher dispersion and less chance on over-draw, I will be in 

 

Ping so hard to beat - if anyone can do it, I think this is the One 

will let you know

pumped

 

 

[chewiemf]

16 hours ago, Lemonde said:

Why not give the STG 440 a spin? (No pun intended lol).  It’s low spin and perhaps not as unforgiving as other 440 releases from other OEM’s in the past 10 years.  MGS has already indicated that this driver is a performer in their Most Wanted testing.  

Thought that was for better players  🙂   I actually liked the stz as well.  Spin was down.   So I could buy stx or stz now. But wondering about MAX.  

 

Additional question if I buy the stx or z with a custom shaft (aldila) does that mean it's no longer 45.0", but 45.5?  I like the shorter length.   Thanks much. 

[Lemonde]

8 hours ago, chewiemf said:

Thought that was for better players  🙂   I actually liked the stz as well.  Spin was down.   So I could buy stx or stz now. But wondering about MAX.  

 

Additional question if I buy the stx or z with a custom shaft (aldila) does that mean it's no longer 45.0", but 45.5?  I like the shorter length.   Thanks much. 

Unless you specify otherwise, the club regardless of shaft will be built to 45.75 inches. Presumably Mizuno will adjust the swingweight with a higher back weight for a shorter build.   

[cdnavalanche9312]

2 hours ago, Lemonde said:

Unless you specify otherwise, the club regardless of shaft will be built to 45.75 inches. Presumably Mizuno will adjust the swingweight with a higher back weight for a shorter build.   

Specs on Mizuno website still state the length at 45".  Can you confirm that the length of any custom shafts would be greater than the 45" on the website?

[Lemonde]

1 hour ago, cdnavalanche9312 said:

Specs on Mizuno website still state the length at 45".  Can you confirm that the length of any custom shafts would be greater than the 45" on the website?

 

[cdnavalanche9312]

1 minute ago, Lemonde said:

 

My bad homie, got the ST-Z and MAX mixed up.

[Lemonde]

The Max appears to be 45.5” standard although they keep throwing around this 45.75” number in the reviews and what Vosh said.  Note the STX and STZ are at 45” standard.

[Lemonde]

I don’t understand this 60 degree length measurement? This is new for Mizuno this year, what the hell is that? 

[Lemonde]

2 minutes ago, cdnavalanche9312 said:

My bad homie, got the ST-Z and MAX mixed up.

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[noodle3872]

20 minutes ago, Lemonde said:

I don’t understand this 60 degree length measurement? This is new for Mizuno this year, what the hell is that? 

60° rule is how USGA measures clubs for conformity. Lengths on USGA’s device measure longer. 
 

 

[Lemonde]

11 hours ago, noodle3872 said:

60° rule is how USGA measures clubs for conformity. Lengths on USGA’s device measure longer. 
 

 

So is the driver 45.5 inches or 45.75 inches? lol. Presumably most shops would measure it at 45.5 inches using their scale? 

[pjc]

The length is to the end of the grip if using the 60* measuring system.  If Mizuno states 45.5 on the site using this method, that is the length with the grip included.  Mizuno has always measured without grip until this year.

 

So it looks like the Max driver is 45.75 total length, including the grip, 45.5 without.

 

Edited January 30, 2024 by pjc

[muniman]

Got mine in hand already! Can't wait to try it out.

[Lemonde]

6 hours ago, pjc said:

The length is to the end of the grip if using the 60* measuring system.  If Mizuno states 45.5 on the site using this method, that is the length with the grip included.  Mizuno has always measured without grip until this year.

 

So it looks like the Max driver is 45.75 total length, including the grip, 45.5 without.

 

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