Are my issues correct? And couple questions

[GGTTH]

So I’ve been working hard on swing plane which seems to have improved slightly. I still appear to come over the top a bit, so I will keep working on that.

 

Ultimately the goal is to have a consistent and repeatable shot pattern, reduce curve and develop a draw. I need to strike the ball better and more consistently for me to have any chance.

 

As it is right now, flip at impact in an attempt to square the face and compress the ball, which when I do this the ball starts left and curves left absolutely miles off target. I suppose if my swing path issues were better then at least the ball would start off right.

If I don’t flip, I tend hit thin and floaty cuts. I tend to also strike it off the toe a bit, which I suspect is more a result of the over the top move.

 

Some swing observations I can see, and I could be wrong here but just thought I’d share what I see, see if I’m on the right path.

 

Trail leg straightens out, I’m not sure if it is properly locked out or not, but it feels significant.

 

Lack of rotation in the left hip or ‘clearing the hip’. Could this be the reason for the flip? I used to have an in to out path, and the feeling I had at the top of the backswing was to initiate the downswing with the left hip going back, and that usually resulted in a better ball flight that started right and came back depending on how flippy I was.

 

In general there seems to be a lack of rotation in the downswing in both upper and lower body. Here’s what I am thinking, and if I am wrong please tell me if I am wrong.

 

-  Initiate downswing with hips rotating open for a better strike.

 

- I need to learn a proper release pattern. It’s not something I’ve ever learned how to do, and probably explains why over the years it has been flippy, just simply because I didn’t know what I was supposed to do. I was once shown how to do the crossover method, but this seems to be heavy reliant on timing which of course leads to all kind of shots as there’s no way as someone who has a full time job is going to be able to get the timing right all the time. 

So any advice on this would be great

 

Like I say I could be very wrong and I’m certainly no expert. Unfortunately I am not in a position to go for lessons or coaching at the minute so I am reliant on self development here.

 

thanks 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[st1800e]

That ball went pretty straight , slight fade maybe, or did I miss something? Sorry,  didn’t read all your post, are you looking for the perfect swing, or how to get the ball in the hole? 
 

 

[GGTTH]

20 minutes ago, st1800e said:

That ball went pretty straight , slight fade maybe, or did I miss something? Sorry,  didn’t read all your post, are you looking for the perfect swing, or how to get the ball in the hole? 
 

 

It didn’t go straight. I’d started slightly left (like I said in my post something I was working on) then it curved off to the left. It was also off the toe. 
 

should maybe read first.

[phizzy30]

3 hours ago, GGTTH said:

It didn’t go straight. I’d started slightly left (like I said in my post something I was working on) then it curved off to the left. It was also off the toe. 
 

should maybe read first.

Maybe I'm blind but that looked like it started at the target line and gently cut right. 

[GGTTH]

3 minutes ago, phizzy30 said:

Maybe I'm blind but that looked like it started at the target line and gently cut right. 

You can't really see it on the video but it finishes about 40/50 yards right of target.

[CSagan]

Clubface wide open at top and even more open coming down, body is reacting to that. Cant really see but grip looks wonky, probably has something to do with it. You're bent over a little too much at address and going back.

 

I'd work on grip, posture for a while and get that nailed. Super important to be fundamentally sound before you take the club away.

[Golfbeat]

You are a bit steep and over the top. Need to shallow in the down swing combined with a more closed club face. Watch this AMG video.

 

 

[Zitlow]

You have a good swing. @Golfbeat is right, you're over the top. People can play successfully swinging over the top.  

 

Your right side is coming over your left side 

 

 

causing you to throw out the angles in your elbow and wrist a little early.

 

 

His right side is coming under his left side maintaining the angles in his elbow and hand. 

 

 

He's in position to throw out the angles. 

 

 

 

 

 

[iacas]

52 minutes ago, Zitlow said:

Your right side is coming over your left side

 

You've said this in two topics now, but…

 

 

Is it as far "under" as Fred Couples (from that particular camera view)? No. But he's not really making the "right side come over the left side" like you've said.

 

Plus, how does he consider or work on this when, as you're fond of saying, the downswing is 0.25 seconds, which is not enough time to think about much of anything?

 

To be sure, the OP is "over the top" (by almost any definition) with an open face that's a bit laid off, and swinging left as a consequence (a "requirement" in some ways), and that should improve to get better at golf… but I don't see his right side "coming over his left side" as you do.

 

(Edit to add: I'm only bringing this up because the idea of dropping your right side even more down than he's doing, and really trying to make the right side come from "under," could lead to some REALLY bad golf for quite awhile. And to consider that these are all 2D representations of a 3D world, so… they're all very "grain of salt and dash of realistic expectations" sorts of things.)

 

Edited November 24, 2023 by iacas

[MonteScheinblum]

Two things I’d start with.

 

1.  Too bent over at address.  You body actually over extends up into a good angle to the ball.  This is likely from being a bit too far away.

 

2.  You need to learn the concept that the club head moves away from the ball first move down, not toward it.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIn5NjOlK_p/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[iacas]

1 minute ago, MonteScheinblum said:

2.  You need to learn the concept that the club head moves away from the ball first move down, not toward it.

 

Away from the ball, away from the target. Crazy. But unless you stop when the shaft is 90° up in the air, it makes sense if you look at the tilted arc on which we swing the clubhead.

 

(I know you know this, I'm just using what you said as a jumping off point.)

 

[GGTTH]

Thanks guys. Have just read but will digest in a bit. 

[GGTTH]

3 hours ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Two things I’d start with.

 

1.  Too bent over at address.  You body actually over extends up into a good angle to the ball.  This is likely from being a bit too far away.

 

2.  You need to learn the concept that the club head moves away from the ball first move down, not toward it.

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CIn5NjOlK_p/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

3 hours ago, iacas said:

 

Away from the ball, away from the target. Crazy. But unless you stop when the shaft is 90° up in the air, it makes sense if you look at the tilted arc on which we swing the clubhead.

 

(I know you know this, I'm just using what you said as a jumping off point.)

 

 

So for (1) @MonteScheinblum, I suspect this too bent over thing comes from a previous lesson  I had a long time ago, where I was told my spine angle was too high and to bend over more. I think the coach at the time mentioned that the shaft to spine angle was 115 degrees and I should be between 90-100. So I of course went away and worked on reducing that. So where should I actually be in terms of my position here just stand a touch closer? I feel this would be an easy to change to make so keen to hear more.

 

(2) I agree and will look at your instagram post and other stuff surrounding this. I do feel I have some knowledge of the swing, but unfortunately it's a learning process and I need to learn how  to do these things. Increasing my knowledge and understanding will only help me make any changes needed. Thanks for taking a look, and if theres any further resource on this I'd be keen to indulge.

 

@iacas thanks also, no idea what you guys were talking about in the other posts but appreciate you taking a look. 

[Jayjay_theweim_guy]

On 11/24/2023 at 1:09 PM, iacas said:

 

Away from the ball, away from the target. Crazy. But unless you stop when the shaft is 90° up in the air, it makes sense if you look at the tilted arc on which we swing the clubhead.

 

(I know you know this, I'm just using what you said as a jumping off point.)

 

QQ:  The club head likely does this, but do the hands?

 

I have been trying, a la a cast to 7 (I can't really reach 8, I don't think), to send the hands back and up as a first move. As I'm pulling the arms down. Just trying to see if I'm on the right path here.

 

("Self, for Black Friday, get two phone cradle/gorilla pods, and for God's sake start getting some decent video to share.")

 

 

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Jayjay_theweim_guy said:

QQ:  The club head likely does this, but do the hands?

 

Varies.

 

Some pros move their hands slightly toward the ball, some vertically downward, some slightly away from the ball. Basically, from the top: /|\ . The hands don't go away for very long, if they do, but they're not as far around the "arc" as the clubhead, either.

[GGTTH]

 

it’s funny, I can see a bit of an improvement already just from monte and iacas feedback and advice. There were a few bad ones as you would expect but there was a few absolutely great balls in this range session. Thanks a lot guys @MonteScheinblum @iacas

 

well aware there is still a bunch of work and learning to do but even just the concept of getting that club away from the ball on the downswing helped a bunch. I hit some 7 irons today to the 180 flag on the range, which is crazy for me, even more so because it has been about 5 degrees Celsius here in the UK.

 

on the good swings- I got the club in a great position in the downswing and this forced me to rotate properly through the ball to square the face. 

Feeling very positive about things now.

Edited November 26, 2023 by GGTTH

[iacas]

👍🏼

 

Go slow. Exaggerate. Enjoy the work.

[Nels55]

You are getting nice and deep into your trail hip on your backswing and then you stand up on your downswing.  You might want to try bowing to the ball:

 

I have been working on this move for a while.  Seems to be a bit easier on my lower back and also my lead hip as it stops my tendency to hip slide.

[slytown]

9 hours ago, Nels55 said:

You are getting nice and deep into your trail hip on your backswing and then you stand up on your downswing.  You might want to try bowing to the ball:

 

I have been working on this move for a while.  Seems to be a bit easier on my lower back and also my lead hip as it stops my tendency to hip slide.

 

I wouldnt advise this. He already bends over too much. His body needs to stay more upright so he can work the club up the plane with his arms more. At the moment he only has this excessive tilt and rotation in the backswing.

 

I would have u feel like you are stood up and just swing more with your arms. You need to get a feel of where the club is. the feet together drill is great. It forces you to be more balanced and to use your arms more. Without use of your arms and hands in the swing, u have no feel.

Edited November 26, 2023 by slytown

[GGTTH]

Thanks guys, just really trying to focus on the concept of the club moving away from the ball first before focusing on other stuff.

 

Last range session before my last post, was very very good, I learned a lot and was able to execute fairly well for the most part.

 

Last couple of sessions have been a disaster. I'm doing the wall drill, getting the same feels as last time but I can't for the life of me hit the ball now. I'll persevere, but man it's so deflating when you think you've made a bit of progress only for it to bite you on the a**. And hey that's golf to an extent. I only want to be a 5 handicapper or something not prime Tiger so you'd think it would be possible but hey ho.

 

I compared the vids from the other day to now and it looks the same so I'm not sure what's different now. 

[Brian Manzella]

It would be a pretty easy lesson.

 

Fix the grip a bit (no chance the left hand is good).

 

Less laid off at the top.

 

Clubface twisted less open at the top.

 

Watch ball

 

Keep your torso closed longer.

 

Learn to swivel.

 

Done.

[GGTTH]

40 minutes ago, Brian Manzella said:

It would be a pretty easy lesson.

 

Fix the grip a bit (no chance the left hand is good).

 

Less laid off at the top.

 

Clubface twisted less open at the top.

 

Watch ball

 

Keep your torso closed longer.

 

Learn to swivel.

 

Done.

 

Left hand face on 🤷🏻‍♂️

[iacas]

Likely too much in the palm.

 

Really tough to say with that one photo though. I'm almost just playing the odds. 🙂

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by iacas

[Brian Manzella]

what's an "overeat"?

 

[MK7Golf21]

On 11/29/2023 at 2:48 PM, Brian Manzella said:

It would be a pretty easy lesson.

 

Fix the grip a bit (no chance the left hand is good).

 

Less laid off at the top.

 

Clubface twisted less open at the top.

 

Watch ball

 

Keep your torso closed longer.

 

Learn to swivel.

 

Done.

I agree, not that it matters if I do or not, lol. Clubface looks pretty open to me entire swing, especially at top and downswing. Also, bit laid off at the top with that open clubface, not a good combo. 

[GGTTH]

Been working hard.

 

Before I averaged just over -12 degrees club path.

 

Now...

 

Contact is still a little bit funny, but by changing the path alone I've gained like 25 yard carry distance. Face is now slightly closed to the path, which I suspect would be the next step in terms of dialling that in so its only -1/-2 and getting that shaft lean/compression. This is working really, really well from 7 iron down. 6 iron and up it's still an out to in path. The ball tends to finish slightly left of the target line on trackman.

 

The swing itself looks better and whilst there are ways to go with the faults, I have certainly basically eliminated the stupid hands pushing out thing at the top. I now feel optimistic I can change what I need to change and next year will be a good one. I am going to seek out a coach either online/ in-person depending on prices to assist me with the rest along the way.

 

Progress is progess.

Edited December 13, 2023 by GGTTH

[GGTTH]

Oh and as for the open club face that people have mentioned.

 

Now I have actual face on footage of my swing, I think I’ve found the culprit…

 If someone can reference me in the pic with a line of where the line in my lead hand should be pointing I should be able to adjust it from there. Thanks! 

 

Edited December 14, 2023 by GGTTH