Whatcha watchin?

[Nard_S]

Watched the one season (so far) of "1923". The prequel to Yellowstone, which to me was enjoyable for 3 seasons. 1923 is better, imo. Hope they do deliver a 2nd season.

[slocalifglfr]

Mountain Queen -  a documentary about a Nepali woman scaling Mount Everest. Highly recommend. Netflix

[TheChippinChirper]

Just finished Furies on Netflix which was entertaining, not too much deep thinking just action.

[slocalifglfr]

What We Do in the Shadows -- TV show on Hulu.  Hilarious.

[MikeW2]

I just finished Ozark…what a terrible ending. Really enjoyed it simply because it made feel differently about the main characters being bad guys, usually even if the stars are bad people we find ourselves rooting for even liking their characters (think Sopranos), I found the Byrds to be completely unlikeable.

[me05501]

I just watched the Sopranos documentary on HBO. David Chase is a very interesting guy. Imperfect and difficult, sure, but he had a vision and he carried it all the way through which isn't easy. 

 

One thing I noticed was that the doc spent time on nearly every major character with the exception of Tony's sister Janice. Neither the character nor the actress was mentioned or shown on screen one time. Makes me wonder what's going on there. Google was unhelpful. 

[bigred90gt]

We started watching Black Sails. It's pretty meh at this point. I think we're 5 episodes in. There's 4 seasons, so we're going to watch a little more, but it is just decent, not a great show. 

 

We thought the same about Banshee. I don't even know if we have finished the first season yet to be honest. We keep stopping and watching other shows, then going back when we finish. It just doesnt seem to hold our attention all that well. 

[imkirby34]

Most of the stuff I watch is done while on the rowing machine, so I'm not doing a lot of critical thinking.  Heh.  I recently watched the Wyatt Earp and the Cowboy War limited series and am almost done with S3 of Warrior, both on Netflix.  I guess Warrior was originally produced by Max.  

[bscinstnct]

3 hours ago, me05501 said:

I just watched the Sopranos documentary on HBO. David Chase is a very interesting guy. Imperfect and difficult, sure, but he had a vision and he carried it all the way through which isn't easy. 

 

One thing I noticed was that the doc spent time on nearly every major character with the exception of Tony's sister Janice. Neither the character nor the actress was mentioned or shown on screen one time. Makes me wonder what's going on there. Google was unhelpful. 

 

Ya we were watching some of the latest Sopranos marathon on HBO and just caught the end of the documentary when they were discussing the finale

 

There had been lots of talk that the “true” ending after the fade to black was that Tony was shot. I never thought this

 

I always figured that, as was pointed out in the documentary,  it was simply for each viewer to construct what they think happened in the future. 
 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2024 by bscinstnct

[MikeW2]

9 hours ago, bigred90gt said:

We started watching Black Sails. It's pretty meh at this point. I think we're 5 episodes in. There's 4 seasons, so we're going to watch a little more, but it is just decent, not a great show. 

 

We thought the same about Banshee. I don't even know if we have finished the first season yet to be honest. We keep stopping and watching other shows, then going back when we finish. It just doesnt seem to hold our attention all that well. 

I enjoyed this series but I was admittedly biased as Treasure Island was one of my favorite books as a kid and heard somewhere that this was supposed to be a prequel to that story.

[PedronNiall]

11 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya we were watching some of the latest Sopranos marathon on HBO and just caught the end of the documentary when they were discussing the finale

 

There had been lots of talk that the “true” ending after the fade to black was that Tony was shot. I never thought this

 

I always figured that, as was pointed out in the documentary,  it was simply for each viewer to construct what they think happened in the future. 
 

 

 

 

One of my favorite bits about the show is the director/writers very intentionally making Tony a mostly irredeemable monster, clearly a bad person at his core, yet him being liked as a person by a lot who watched it. 

 

Between the boat scene with Big 🐈, the crash with Christopher, and what he did to his body guard in the kitchen at "The Jiggly Room" it's wild anyone liked him as a person at the end, regardless of how interesting his character might have been, and that's not even mentioning how he treated his family. 

 

I took the ending to be that nothing happened. In the end he was actually just a little fish so I don't know that he'd be worth the fuss. Probably fell out in his chair in old age like Michael and his dad before him,  as is tradition.

[bscinstnct]

7 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

 

One of my favorite bits about the show is the director/writers very intentionally making Tony a mostly irredeemable monster, clearly a bad person at his core, yet him being liked as a person by a lot who watched it. 

 

Between the boat scene with Big 🐈, the crash with Christopher, and what he did to his body guard in the kitchen at "The Jiggly Room" it's wild anyone liked him as a person at the end, regardless of how interesting his character might have been, and that's not even mentioning how he treated his family. 

 

I took the ending to be that nothing happened. In the end he was actually just a little fish so I don't know that he'd be worth the fuss. Probably fell out in his chair in old age like Michael and his dad before him,  as is tradition.

 

Ya but the violence you mention is all in direct relation to his business. Each act had a very important purpose.
 

 

BP was a long time rat, the bodyguard fight was an unfortunate necessity to re-establish his lead position, and was very effective. Even killing Christopher was necessary, guy on heroin and so unpredictable is too risky, could take down everyone. 
 

The show delves deep into why Tony is where he is now. It’s the basis for the whole show,  examine  how his childhood and “the life” he was born into impacted his character. 
 

Man, Sopranos new episode was like an event! 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2024 by bscinstnct

[PedronNiall]

2 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya but the violence you mention is all in direct relation to his business. Each act had a very important purpose.
 

 

BP was a long time rat, the bodyguard fight was an unfortunate necessity to re-establish his lead position, and was very effective. Even killing Christopher was necessary, guy on heroin and so unpredictable is too risky, could take down everyone. 
 

The show delves deep into why Tony is where he is now. It’s the basis for the whole show,  examine  how his childhood and “the life” he was born into impacted his character. 
 

Man, Sopranos new episode was like an event! 

 

 

Christopher ended up like he was largely because of Tony's handling of him over the years, including what killing his wifey, who was only ratting because of the things Tony was pushing Christopher into to begin with. The bodyguard didn't deserve that beat down and no doubt Tony could have made an example of someone outside of their circle instead. Was he being a gent when he helped hook the sports outlet guy into even more gambling so he could eventually takeover his business as a laundering front? Tony was bad news bears, hah.

 

Going to stick to my guns here considering the team behind the show explicitly stated that he was a bad guy to the core and was written as such. He had human moments but he was freaking rotten and loved being that way.

 

The main crew from Heat? Nuanced characters with redeeming and damning qualities, but still murderers. Tony & the gang, very interesting to watch vile men with no desire to be otherwise. Not a lot of nuance there IMO, but maybe I'll give it another watch for hoots and toots.

[bscinstnct]

41 minutes ago, PedronNiall said:

Christopher ended up like he was largely because of Tony's handling of him over the years, including what killing his wifey, who was only ratting because of the things Tony was pushing Christopher into to begin with. The bodyguard didn't deserve that beat down and no doubt Tony could have made an example of someone outside of their circle instead. Was he being a gent when he helped hook the sports outlet guy into even more gambling so he could eventually takeover his business as a laundering front? Tony was bad news bears, hah.

 

Going to stick to my guns here considering the team behind the show explicitly stated that he was a bad guy to the core and was written as such. He had human moments but he was freaking rotten and loved being that way.

 

The main crew from Heat? Nuanced characters with redeeming and damning qualities, but still murderers. Tony & the gang, very interesting to watch vile men with no desire to be otherwise. Not a lot of nuance there IMO, but maybe I'll give it another watch for hoots and toots.

 

And Christopher was good? ; )

 

He handed his wife right over to be killed.  That’s just as bad or worse. he could’ve saved her and they could’ve gone into witness protection.

 

Tony impacted Chris, and Tony’s upbringing impacted him

 

The bodyguard was a brilliant move. It’s not like he killed the guy. 

 

If Tony was born into a typical family, and goes to college, he becomes a typical CEO jerk who cheats on his wife. But doesn’t kill people. Or perhaps even break the law. 

 

All his violence is all business. Never raises a hand to his family or others outside the business. 
 

Dont get me wrong, he’s not a good guy, but he’s not some evil seed psycho killer at all. 

Edited September 14, 2024 by bscinstnct

[PedronNiall]

26 minutes ago, bscinstnct said:

 

And Christopher was good? ; )

 

He handed his wife right over to be killed. That’s just as bad or worse.

 

Tony impacted Chris, and Tony’s upbringing impacted him

 

The bodyguard was a brilliant move. It’s not like he killed the guy. 

 

If Tony was born into a typical family, and goes to college, he becomes a typical CEO jerk who cheats on his wife. But doesn’t kill people. Or perhaps even break the law. 

 

All his violence is all business. Never raises a hand to his family or others outside the business. 
 

Dont get me wrong, he’s not a good guy, but he’s not some evil seed psycho killer at all. 

 

No arguments from me about Christopher's actual character, as in who he was as a person within. I said the entire crew was vile if you break it all down. Gangster and grime go hand in hand.

 

Most if not all of them were definitely full into psychopath territory. Some of the Season 1 murders, including kids in that one neighborhood, made that pretty clear. Psycho killers they very much were. Like Dexter, they simply did a good job of pointing it where they could get away with it, but they enjoy putting slugs in skulls.

[bscinstnct]

3 minutes ago, PedronNiall said:

 

No arguments from me about Christopher's actual character, as in who he was as a person within. I said the entire crew was vile if you break it all down. Gangster and grime go hand in hand.

 

Most if not all of them were definitely full into psychopath territory. Some of the Season 1 murders, including kids in that one neighborhood, made that pretty clear. Psycho killers they very much were. Like Dexter, they simply did a good job of pointing it where they could get away with it, but they enjoy putting slugs in skulls.

 

I’ll disagree. All the violence sanctioned by TS was important for business. Generally to keep order/retribution for violence.  And only involves other mobsters, not civilians. It exposes risk and only done when necessary. 
 

Now, in real life, you have Nicky Scarfo, that’s a true psychopath. 

[Nard_S]

I think The Soprano's is brilliant. Tony is a caricature of modern male in today's world. His bigger life pressure, his bigger stress is navigating his relationships with peers and family. The violence & hedonism is a hook, the comedy is most these gangsters had mother/woman issues.They are bad dudes making bank doing bad things but they are stilled stressed with where kid goes to college and how they can keep their life style. If they were bankers the story is boring but in many ways they face the same stress as them and many others.  

[bscinstnct]

3 minutes ago, Nard_S said:

I think The Soprano's is brilliant. Tony is a caricature of modern male in today's world. His bigger life pressure, his bigger stress is navigating his relationships with peers and family. The violence & hedonism is a hook, the comedy is most these gangsters had mother/woman issues.They are bad dudes making bank doing bad things but they are stilled stressed with where kid goes to college and how they can keep their life style. If they were bankers the story is boring but in many ways they face the same stress as them and many others.  

 

Thats my take 

 

Its a terrible job and “retirement” plan is not ideal 😳

[PedronNiall]

10 hours ago, bscinstnct said:

 

I’ll disagree. All the violence sanctioned by TS was important for business. Generally to keep order/retribution for violence.  And only involves other mobsters, not civilians. It exposes risk and only done when necessary. 
 

Now, in real life, you have Nicky Scarfo, that’s a true psychopath. 

 

Higher up: Tony, we need your friend bscinstnct to disappear. Seems like a great guy and we know you've known him for years, but he's interfering with the moves we're making.

 

Tony: puts two in your dome then goes home, kisses his wife, heads out to the strip club, then sleeps like a baby later that night

 

Pretty textbook psychopathy, as was the mention above of what he did to the guy with the sporting goods store, as were any other number of things he did. Being required for him to continue on in his current lifestyle doesn't change the lack of empathy and ability to dissociate completely from extreme violence and murder in order to help oneself progress or maintain.

 

Next thing you'll tell me Madoff & friends, who scam people for billions and destroy other's lives for their own gain aren't psychopaths as well, even if they're the non-murderous sort.

[bscinstnct]

9 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

 

Higher up: Tony, we need your friend bscinstnct to disappear. Seems like a great guy and we know you've known him for years, but he's interfering with the moves we're making.

 

Tony: puts two in your dome then goes home, kisses his wife, heads out to the strip club, then sleeps like a baby later that night

 

Pretty textbook psychopathy, as was the mention above of what he did to the guy with the sporting goods store, as were any other number of things he did. Being required for him to continue on in his current lifestyle doesn't change the lack of empathy and ability to dissociate completely from extreme violence and murder in order to help oneself progress or maintain.

 

Next thing you'll tell me Madoff & friends, who scam people for billions and destroy other's lives for their own gain aren't psychopaths as well, even if they're the non-murderous sort.

 

Hes a mob boss, the prerequisite is that he kills people and has a lack of empathy 🍻 

 

I’m surprised you watched the show, how can you enjoy with such an overwhelmingly, and dogmatically, negative POV on the main character?

 

Were you able to laugh at all the hysterical stuff going on? Or empathize with Tony as he pulled AJ out of the pool? Or appreciate the episode where he kills a rat….on the trip he’s visiting colleges with for Meadow?

 

Or did you just watch the show loathing Tony the whole time?

[bscinstnct]

One classic movie we watched for the first time was Day of the Jackal! Very cool

 

Made in 1973, and one scene that truly underlined how times have changed was where a cop is researching records and then communicating his findings the headquarters.

 

A pencil, a ledger/record book, and a landline 📞. Three things essential to his task that basically don’t exist anymore 🤣

 

 

 

 

[aenemated]

On 9/13/2024 at 10:02 AM, bscinstnct said:

I always figured that, as was pointed out in the documentary,  it was simply for each viewer to construct what they think happened in the future. 

 

What I will always believe reckons back to Bobby. 

 

I forget the specific dialogue but when he and Tony were on the boat. When you get whacked; it all just goes black. Something like that.

 

My belief is that us, the viewers, we got whacked. 

 

But I love it was open. Brilliantly done that people are still talking about it like ... what? Almost 20 years later? 

[bscinstnct]

7 hours ago, aenemated said:

 

What I will always believe reckons back to Bobby. 

 

I forget the specific dialogue but when he and Tony were on the boat. When you get whacked; it all just goes black. Something like that.

 

My belief is that us, the viewers, we got whacked. 

 

But I love it was open. Brilliantly done that people are still talking about it like ... what? Almost 20 years later? 

 

Ya, our window is closed but life goes on, so to speak, for TS. They should make a sequel with AJ , Meadow, and Paulie 🤣

 

But I don’t buy the hit there in a crowded place at rush hour. It’s not like Tony stays secluded, he’s always out and about, lots of less risky places to do it. 

Edited September 16, 2024 by bscinstnct

[bladehunter]

On 9/14/2024 at 12:36 AM, PedronNiall said:

 

One of my favorite bits about the show is the director/writers very intentionally making Tony a mostly irredeemable monster, clearly a bad person at his core, yet him being liked as a person by a lot who watched it. 

 

Between the boat scene with Big 🐈, the crash with Christopher, and what he did to his body guard in the kitchen at "The Jiggly Room" it's wild anyone liked him as a person at the end, regardless of how interesting his character might have been, and that's not even mentioning how he treated his family. 

 

I took the ending to be that nothing happened. In the end he was actually just a little fish so I don't know that he'd be worth the fuss. Probably fell out in his chair in old age like Michael and his dad before him,  as is tradition.

Long time fan of the show. Watched it religiously when it was new.  
 

I always liked Tony as a person. His ideals were pointed in a place where one could be right. Not right. But  aimed toward  right.  Guy was a victim of circumstance in alot of ways. If he’s born into a law abiding family that can educate him , he’s probably a titan of something.  But instead he’s born into the life he’s in.  And it eats him alive.   Not making excuses. But it’s just fact. Folks rarely get above the station they’re born into.  And if they do , 10 million demons pull at them to get back down.  Why it’s so important to push your kids away from your problems and out of the nest , and never pull them back. 
 

Tony in that life never had a chance. Every male role model in his life was worse than him.  He stepped up , as weird as that sounds , but up was just too low to call good. 
 

junior was the real POS in my opinion. Petty and selfish.  

[bladehunter]

 

what am I watching now ? 

 

Mayor of Kingstown .. on Amazon prime.  And paramount. Jeremy Renner.  It’s about a guy who controls the prison in town via inside and outside influencers.  Gangs etc. and police.  Hard to explain.  And it’s a slow start.  But enough of a train wreck that we stayed hooked long enough to get into some meat.  But it’s not for the faint of heart.  It’s graphic. In soo many ways. Or I’m stuck in 1990s logic. Either way. Gauge it by that.  If you like violence. Gangsters and crime , mixed with enough philosophy to make you question things , it’s worth the watch.  Not 10-10 recommendation from me. But a solid 7 I’d say.  With potential to be an 8-9…. Depending on where they go with it.  

Edited September 16, 2024 by bladehunter

[bscinstnct]

3 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Long time fan of the show. Watched it religiously when it was new.  
 

I always liked Tony as a person. His ideals were pointed in a place where one could be right. Not right. But  aimed toward  right.  Guy was a victim of circumstance in alot of ways. If he’s born into a law abiding family that can educate him , he’s probably a titan of something.  But instead he’s born into the life he’s in.  And it eats him alive.   Not making excuses. But it’s just fact. Folks rarely get above the station they’re born into.  And if they do , 10 million demons pull at them to get back down.  Why it’s so important to push your kids away from your problems and out of the nest , and never pull them back. 
 

Tony in that life never had a chance. Every male role model in his life was worse than him.  He stepped up , as weird as that sounds , but up was just too low to call good. 
 

junior was the real POS in my opinion. Petty and selfish.  

 

Ya see Many Saints of Newark, the Sopranos prequel? Not bad

 

Heres Livia, Tony’s dad, Young Tony, and….Junior uttering the phrase that haunts Tony his whole life!

 

 

[bladehunter]

1 hour ago, bscinstnct said:

 

Ya see Many Saints of Newark, the Sopranos prequel? Not bad

 

Heres Livia, Tony’s dad, Young Tony, and….Junior uttering the phrase that haunts Tony his whole life!

 

 

Nope didn’t know they made one. But I’ll put it on the short list.  

[PedronNiall]

On 9/15/2024 at 7:38 AM, bscinstnct said:

 

Hes a mob boss, the prerequisite is that he kills people and has a lack of empathy 🍻 

 

I’m surprised you watched the show, how can you enjoy with such an overwhelmingly, and dogmatically, negative POV on the main character?

 

Were you able to laugh at all the hysterical stuff going on? Or empathize with Tony as he pulled AJ out of the pool? Or appreciate the episode where he kills a rat….on the trip he’s visiting colleges with for Meadow?

 

Or did you just watch the show loathing Tony the whole time?

 

Nah, thoroughly enjoyed the show. I enjoyed The Governor in The Walking Dead, and Joe Carroll, Theo, Lilly & The Twins, and all the other killers in The Following, and lots of other characters like them. Doesn't change that they're all the definition of psychopaths. 

 

If you've seen The Iceman or Black Mass I'd say there's very little difference between what you see portrayed on screen there, in The Sopranos, and in what any of the direct or indirect basis for those characters did IRL. Crazy when you read or watch actual accounts of their lives how easily they could flip the switch. 

 

 

 

 

The Sopranos is one of the greatest shows ever done. For all the cold bloodedness of the main cast, they all had tons of nuance to the whole of who they were. Hard not to drink it all in.  Psychos nonetheless. 

 

15 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Long time fan of the show. Watched it religiously when it was new.  
 

I always liked Tony as a person. His ideals were pointed in a place where one could be right. Not right. But  aimed toward  right.  Guy was a victim of circumstance in alot of ways. If he’s born into a law abiding family that can educate him , he’s probably a titan of something.  But instead he’s born into the life he’s in.  And it eats him alive.   Not making excuses. But it’s just fact. Folks rarely get above the station they’re born into.  And if they do , 10 million demons pull at them to get back down.  Why it’s so important to push your kids away from your problems and out of the nest , and never pull them back. 
 

Tony in that life never had a chance. Every male role model in his life was worse than him.  He stepped up , as weird as that sounds , but up was just too low to call good. 
 

junior was the real POS in my opinion. Petty and selfish.  

 

I agree, Tony wasn't escaping his upbringing. He was taught that you take or you get taken, you kill or you get killed. You could see that he still feared Junior even when he towered over him in every way possible, no way he goes against what he drilled into Tony's head and what everyone around them reinforces at all times. There was no scenario where a kid who grew up in that was going any other way any more than the real Henry of Goodfellas' fame was going to turn out any other way.

 

You'd have to be luckier than all get out to be raised that way and ever have a chance of developing a strong enough sense of self to break free. Rare to meet anyone indoctrinated from birth that family is everything who pushes past it. Tony & friends are 100% realistic. 

Edited September 17, 2024 by PedronNiall

[bladehunter]

5 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

 

Nah, thoroughly enjoyed the show. I enjoyed The Governor in The Walking Dead, and Joe Carroll, Theo, Lilly & The Twins, and all the other killers in The Following, and lots of other characters like them. Doesn't change that they're all the definition of psychopaths. 

 

If you've seen The Iceman or Black Mass I'd say there's very little difference between what you see portrayed on screen there, in The Sopranos, and in what any of the direct or indirect basis for those characters did IRL. Crazy when you read or watch actual accounts of their lives how easily they could flip the switch. 

 

 

 

 

The Sopranos is one of the greatest shows ever done. For all the cold bloodedness of the main cast, they all had tons of nuance to the whole of who they were. Hard not to drink it all in.  Psychos nonetheless. 

 

 

I agree, Tony wasn't escaping his upbringing. He was taught that you take or you get taken, you kill or you get killed. You could see that he still feared Junior even when he towered over him in every way possible, no way he goes against what he drilled into Tony's head and what everyone around them reinforces at all times. There was no scenario where a kid who grew up in that was going any other way any more than the real Henry of Goodfellas' fame was going to turn out any other way.

 

You'd have to be luckier than all get out to be raised that way and ever have a chance of developing a strong enough sense of self to break free. Rare to meet anyone indoctrinated from birth that family is everything who pushes past it. Tony & friends are 100% realistic. 

Well said. But I must add.  I enjoy that the show lets us in on what most won’t realize , or admit.  That polite society IS kill or be killed.  Anytime somebody js making money.  Winning , etc. somebody is losing.  What holds it together is the unspoken law of reciprocity coupled with the law of value.  We will let others win , so long as we receive value for our loss. And are in turn allowed to win at a regular interval …. Example. “ Friday is payday “.  We lose life and energy all week in exchange for pay.  Which is a good enough value to then trade for more life.  Those who become rich , bend the rules to make the pay out weigh the work.  Which is killing in a sense.  

we are all 5-6 days from being tony . That’s a fact that most don’t want to admit. 

[bscinstnct]

7 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

 

Nah, thoroughly enjoyed the show. I enjoyed The Governor in The Walking Dead, and Joe Carroll, Theo, Lilly & The Twins, and all the other killers in The Following, and lots of other characters like them. Doesn't change that they're all the definition of psychopaths. 

 

If you've seen The Iceman or Black Mass I'd say there's very little difference between what you see portrayed on screen there, in The Sopranos, and in what any of the direct or indirect basis for those characters did IRL. Crazy when you read or watch actual accounts of their lives how easily they could flip the switch. 

 

 

 

 

The Sopranos is one of the greatest shows ever done. For all the cold bloodedness of the main cast, they all had tons of nuance to the whole of who they were. Hard not to drink it all in.  Psychos nonetheless. 

 

 

I agree, Tony wasn't escaping his upbringing. He was taught that you take or you get taken, you kill or you get killed. You could see that he still feared Junior even when he towered over him in every way possible, no way he goes against what he drilled into Tony's head and what everyone around them reinforces at all times. There was no scenario where a kid who grew up in that was going any other way any more than the real Henry of Goodfellas' fame was going to turn out any other way.

 

You'd have to be luckier than all get out to be raised that way and ever have a chance of developing a strong enough sense of self to break free. Rare to meet anyone indoctrinated from birth that family is everything who pushes past it. Tony & friends are 100% realistic. 

 

55 minutes ago, bladehunter said:

Well said. But I must add.  I enjoy that the show lets us in on what most won’t realize , or admit.  That polite society IS kill or be killed.  Anytime somebody js making money.  Winning , etc. somebody is losing.  What holds it together is the unspoken law of reciprocity coupled with the law of value.  We will let others win , so long as we receive value for our loss. And are in turn allowed to win at a regular interval …. Example. “ Friday is payday “.  We lose life and energy all week in exchange for pay.  Which is a good enough value to then trade for more life.  Those who become rich , bend the rules to make the pay out weigh the work.  Which is killing in a sense.  

we are all 5-6 days from being tony . That’s a fact that most don’t want to admit. 

 

“we are all 5-6 days from being tony . That’s a fact that most don’t want to admit. “

 

An interesting point, and time frames in history uncover a great deal about what called a “psychopath” now,  and what is king or a queen of the past. 

 

Im reading a biography of Catherine de Medici. She was Italian born, her uncle was the Pope, she married the future king of France, her daughter married the king of Spain, and she ended up ruling France when her husband died. Oh and her daughter in law was Mary Queen of Scots. 
 

Incredible, and through this biography of one woman who lived in the 1500s, you get an entire education into the entire history of European kingdoms, battles, inner workings of ruling courts, and culture. 
 

But as it applies to this Sopranos conversation , lol, and your observations, blade…

 

We have to remember that abject violence and torture were the hallmark of how these “epitomes” and supposedly divinely determined leaders ruled. 
 

Besides the wholesale slaughter and sacrifice of millions of those in military service to fight in whimsical and ever changing alliances and objectives

 

torture and execution of the most extreme means (burning people, drawing and quartering, slow poisoning, 

 

were very commonly and casually employed by the leadership of these royal families and their appointed managers 

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by bscinstnct